Misrepresented: Stanford, NASA say perpetual sky-haze slows wind, cuts rainfall

Trailblazer

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In this video, David Tulis claims that a Stanford/NASA study on atmospheric aerosols, stating that they reduce wind speeds and rainfall, is related to geoengineering:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/55333712/highlight/574597

http://nooganomics.com/2014/11/stanford-nasa-say-perpetual-sky-haze-slows-wind-cuts-rainfall/

At 0:38:

[bunk]The Stanford study says that... geoengineering... it doesn't say this, but it lets you to understand this... that geoengineering, especially when material is deposited in the atmosphere, changes the weather.[/bunk]

As he acknowledges (but ignores), the study doesn't say that at all, and does not mention geoengineering anywhere.

The report the video references is this, from December 2006: http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/january24/slowwind-012407.html

Tulis is trying to link this to "geoengineering", or "sky striping", as he seems to believe that this is the only place that aerosols can be coming from.

At 2.55:

[bunk]Aerosol accumulation - what is that? What is aerosol accumulation? Mount Pinatubo went off 20 years ago, right, in 1992, I think, in the Philippines. We don't have aerosols being pumped into the air that I know of - except, well...[/bunk]

At 5:14:

[bunk]What's really absent in this story is where do these particles come from? We're not told. And the fact that this is a mystery is just intriguing.[/bunk]

He then goes on to try to link it to metal particles - the usual suspects of aluminium, strontium and barium.

In fact, if you look at the full paper, rather than the press release that made the news, the types of aerosols we are talking about are identified:

 

NoParty

Senior Member.
The Stanford study says that... geoengineering... it doesn't say this, but it lets you to understand this... that geoengineering, especially when material is deposited in the atmosphere, changes the weather.
C'mon, TB! That's a pretty great line:
..."it doesn't say this, but it lets you to understand this..."

Fortunately this allows some vital wiggle room.
For instance, a People Magazine interview with Halle Berry probably means
"Halle Berry thinks NoParty is the hottest man in America, and vows to seduce him!"
Now, it doesn't say this, but it lets you to understand this... :D
 

Trailblazer

Moderator
Staff member
C'mon, TB! That's a pretty great line:
..."it doesn't say this, but it lets you to understand this..."
I know, the brazenness of that line impressed me too! A nice illustration of "joining the dots" and coming up with a totally different picture to the one intended.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
your summation got stuck in your external quote. and remember that most readers wont click on links, so I think quotes -like the very first paragraph from the press release- help people grasp the debunk with less research work. ; )


and the recommendation on that press release that reiterates the sources of these aerosols/particulates (manmade pollution):
I think the study press release is pretty clear on where the 'aerosols' are coming from. This Tulis guy is seriously spinning his source!
 

Trailspotter

Senior Member.
I am not sure whether this is the right thread or not, but in the today's issue of Nature there is a link to a recent article claiming an opposite effect of air pollution:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v523/n7558/pdf/523008a.pdf
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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GL064479/abstract
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
I am not sure whether this is the right thread or not, but in the today's issue of Nature there is a link to a recent article claiming an opposite effect of air pollution:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v523/n7558/pdf/523008a.pdf
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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GL064479/abstract
Dual effect. The air pollution is reducing rainfall in one area by suppressing the convective processes that would cause the water vapor to condense and rain out. Then when that air that is holding more moisture than it would without pollution is advected over mountains that lift it, the moisture condenses out and you get extra rain.
 
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