Military Trains

MikeG

Senior Member.
Conspiracy theorists constantly post videos of freight trains carrying military equipment around the country as evidence of some type of impending disaster; military coup plotting, preparation for an economic collapse, takeover by the New World Order, a United Nations invasion, as a precursor to a roundup of dissidents for FEMA camps, etc.

The most recent posts seem to associate military cargo on trains with Jade Helm 15.

It is easy to dismiss these allegations, but I wanted to dig into the issue a little more and find some relevant data that might be used to refute them.


For example:

The number of flatcars equipped to handle heavy military vehicles is surprisingly small, 5,862 in 2013. This fleet is primarily civilian owned and fairly old. Most of it was built in the sixties.

http://archive.defensenews.com/arti...-S-Military-Needs-New-Way-Ship-Heavy-Vehicles

These military trains are a miniscule part of total U.S. rail traffic.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/osea/seasonaladjustment/?PageVar=RAIL_FRT_CARLOADS

So, by definition, sightings will be fairly rare.


Understanding the use of trains to transport military equipment is not that difficult. Many units are redeploying from overseas postings. Armored units in particular are returning from coastal ports to their home stations. The 1st Armored Division (and other heavy units) is based in Fort Bliss, Texas. This particular unit has hundreds of vehicles covering a broad spectrum of weight classes.

Similarly, individual Stryker Brigades returning home have hundreds of vehicles.

https://sites.google.com/site/usarmyforcecomposition/home/stryker-brigade-combat-team


Military vehicles are also shipped for refurbishment in what the military calls depot-level maintenance.

https://acc.dau.mil/CommunityBrowser.aspx?id=32452

There are a few of these facilities scattered around the country. Some of them include:

Anniston Army Depot
Corpus Christi Army Depot
Letterkenny Army Depot
Red River Army Depot
Tobyhanna Army Depot

Two of these depots (Corpus Christi and Red River) are in Texas.


Counting just redeployments and maintenance requirements, military trains are kept pretty busy.


So, between equipment bound for Ft. Bliss and repair facilities, it does not come as a shock to see so much amateur video of trains moving to Texas, arriving there, or leaving the state.


No real mystery in that.
 

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Auldy

Senior Member.
Why can't people just understand that transporting military gear by rail is normal and beneficial to the taxpayer. Not just the fuel savings by transporting by rail, but its less people on the clock driving vehicles around the country, let alone the damage tanks running up and down highways will cause to the roads!

Trains carrying military gear do stand out though, normal freight trains may be a dime a dozen, but when one rockets past carrying tanks... they stick out like Waldo alone and destitute on a white background.
 

BombDr

Senior Member.
I went round these houses on Youtube.... I'm Detcord1, if that was not obvious, but the links I post goes some way to explaining the numbers of vehicles being brought back from Afghanistan.

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Susan Barrett
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+detcord1 wrong they left everything behind for ISIS where do you thing they got all that American weapons, humvies and tanks not to mention arms and armaments. Bringing back all that stuff would stiffle the military spending and they would not get those increased budgets. You have connect the dots.

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Richard Laflamme


Aug 16, 2015
+Susan Barrett They left some equipment susan not all.

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Susan Barrett


Aug 16, 2015
+Susan Barrett 99% was left

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Richard Laflamme


Aug 16, 2015
Can you show me documents stating that 99% of vehicles were left there.

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detcord1


Aug 16, 2015
+Susan Barrett ISIS in not in Afghanistan.

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detcord1


Aug 16, 2015
+Susan Barrett I must have seen thousands of the 1% in Kandahar. How many armoured vehicles do you think ISIS has?

And if 99% of US vehicles were left in Afghanistan, did they make a load more, paint them sand coloured and just park them in the US? Strange defence policy....

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beneehall


Aug 17, 2015
+detcord1 How is THAT a dead giveaway? Jade Helm is being held in Southern states like, oh, say TEXAS, and NEVADA and you know, states with DESERT, just LIKE Afghanistan.

And your assertion that this desert camo equipment is returning from a theater of war, where is your documentation, your PROOF.

Whatever, out of a documentary over 9 minutes long, with dozens of points made, you pick up one small aspect and ignore all the rest.

I'm speculating, (for good reason) that you're a paid shill with circle jerk buddies or paid employees giving you real good tugs with their supportive comments. I can only imagine that it feels real good cause I'm not into that but hey, win, win for you guys,,, pleasure with profit and the betrayal of your fellow American. Unless, of course, y'all got the old snip, snip as babies. Did the snipper get to suck the blood out?

If you guys are NOT one of the tribe, you're fucked. They'll USE you, even pay you but what makes you think that YOU'RE included in their plans?

What makes you think that YOU will be one of the 500 million spared according to the Georgia Guidestones? Better get the snip snip done before it's too late.

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beneehall


Aug 17, 2015
+detcord1 Yes, they, (military, industrial complex) did make a load more and paint them to suit the terrain of the new theater of war coming, the USA. You know, the country where if you speak of or defend the Constitution, you are labelled a terrorist and are put on a terrorist list.

If your mother emails you saying she's not well and has a bad "constitution" NSA will flag that email and put her AND you on a terrorist watch list.

You know, the country where the Fuehrer has assigned himself the power to arrest you and detain you forever, no charges, no habeus corpus, no lawyer.

And yes, it IS a strange defense policy but not so strange when you realize that the new enemy are American citizens. You know, those guys just by fact of being citizens of the USA, those guys are charged with defending their country from enemies foreign OR domestic.

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beneehall

+detcord1 ISIS is anywhere the CIA,NSA, Mossad want them to be.

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detcord1


Aug 17, 2015
+beneehall So you want proof and evidence, then continue with paragraph after paragraph of unreferenced assertions and bigotry...?

Again, if 99% of vehicles have been left behind in the middle east (Ill be generous and include Afghanistan), did they just make thousands of new ones?

With what money?

Here are the British vehicles returning and they had a fraction of the US numbers:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/more-than-1000-vehicles-return-from-afghanistan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-25848662

Here are a load being prepared for shipment:

http://www.stripes.com/news/militar...ds-for-return-to-us-from-afghanistan-1.207247

Here is some documentation that you requested:

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-768

"ISIS is anywhere the CIA,NSA, Mossad want them to be."
Do you have any evidence of that, or do you just believe anything that Youtube tells you?
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Hevach

Senior Member.
There have been times that the military has left vehicles or even dumped them in the ocean rather than bring them home, but I can't find anything about it being done recently. Some vague accounts of it being done in Vietnam with vehicles that were being phased out, and a lot about it being done after WWII since most of the involved armies were preparing to go back down to standing size from the huge buildup, but it even then it doesn't seem to be 99%, but limited to surplus or obsolete models that were kept in service until they were lost or the duration, whichever came first.

The US Army doesn't leave Abrams tanks behind. The $10 million price tag may be peanuts to the US defense budget, but there are proprietary elements on our tanks that we don't even share with other NATO countries that buy the Abrams. And most of those thousands of armored trucks and assault vehicles and MRAPs that they're handing out to police stations all over the country were brought back from Iraq and Afghanistan. If they left 99% and what they brought back is only 1%, they must have had several million vehicles in the country to service our... what, 100,000 soldiers?

Patently absurd claim.
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
Folks keep saying that police depts don't need the MRAPS, but they saved several lives here in Tex during the spring floods
 

MikeG

Senior Member.
I went round these houses on Youtube.... I'm Detcord1, if that was not obvious, but the links I post goes some way to explaining the numbers of vehicles being brought back from Afghanistan.


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Susan Barrett

+detcord1 wrong they left everything behind for ISIS where do you thing they got all that American weapons, humvies and tanks not to mention arms and armaments. Bringing back all that stuff would stiffle the military spending and they would not get those increased budgets. You have connect the dots.

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Richard Laflamme


Aug 16, 2015
+Susan Barrett They left some equipment susan not all.

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Susan Barrett


Aug 16, 2015
+Susan Barrett 99% was left

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Richard Laflamme


Aug 16, 2015
Can you show me documents stating that 99% of vehicles were left there.

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detcord1


Aug 16, 2015
+Susan Barrett ISIS in not in Afghanistan.

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detcord1


Aug 16, 2015
+Susan Barrett I must have seen thousands of the 1% in Kandahar. How many armoured vehicles do you think ISIS has?

And if 99% of US vehicles were left in Afghanistan, did they make a load more, paint them sand coloured and just park them in the US? Strange defence policy....

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beneehall


Aug 17, 2015
+detcord1 How is THAT a dead giveaway? Jade Helm is being held in Southern states like, oh, say TEXAS, and NEVADA and you know, states with DESERT, just LIKE Afghanistan.

And your assertion that this desert camo equipment is returning from a theater of war, where is your documentation, your PROOF.

Whatever, out of a documentary over 9 minutes long, with dozens of points made, you pick up one small aspect and ignore all the rest.

I'm speculating, (for good reason) that you're a paid shill with circle jerk buddies or paid employees giving you real good tugs with their supportive comments. I can only imagine that it feels real good cause I'm not into that but hey, win, win for you guys,,, pleasure with profit and the betrayal of your fellow American. Unless, of course, y'all got the old snip, snip as babies. Did the snipper get to suck the blood out?

If you guys are NOT one of the tribe, you're fucked. They'll USE you, even pay you but what makes you think that YOU'RE included in their plans?

What makes you think that YOU will be one of the 500 million spared according to the Georgia Guidestones? Better get the snip snip done before it's too late.

ba055d1cf497bc1917ec60ce228d698d._.png
beneehall


Aug 17, 2015
+detcord1 Yes, they, (military, industrial complex) did make a load more and paint them to suit the terrain of the new theater of war coming, the USA. You know, the country where if you speak of or defend the Constitution, you are labelled a terrorist and are put on a terrorist list.

If your mother emails you saying she's not well and has a bad "constitution" NSA will flag that email and put her AND you on a terrorist watch list.

You know, the country where the Fuehrer has assigned himself the power to arrest you and detain you forever, no charges, no habeus corpus, no lawyer.

And yes, it IS a strange defense policy but not so strange when you realize that the new enemy are American citizens. You know, those guys just by fact of being citizens of the USA, those guys are charged with defending their country from enemies foreign OR domestic.

ba055d1cf497bc1917ec60ce228d698d._.png
beneehall

+detcord1 ISIS is anywhere the CIA,NSA, Mossad want them to be.

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detcord1


Aug 17, 2015
+beneehall So you want proof and evidence, then continue with paragraph after paragraph of unreferenced assertions and bigotry...?

Again, if 99% of vehicles have been left behind in the middle east (Ill be generous and include Afghanistan), did they just make thousands of new ones?

With what money?

Here are the British vehicles returning and they had a fraction of the US numbers:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/more-than-1000-vehicles-return-from-afghanistan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-25848662

Here are a load being prepared for shipment:

http://www.stripes.com/news/militar...ds-for-return-to-us-from-afghanistan-1.207247

Here is some documentation that you requested:

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-768

"ISIS is anywhere the CIA,NSA, Mossad want them to be."
Do you have any evidence of that, or do you just believe anything that Youtube tells you?
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Wow.

I was stationed in Mosul for most of my tour in Iraq. Before I redeployed in 2006, I did get to see brand new Humvees arriving for the Iraqi Army. A good number of them were captured recently by ISIS.

But, egad, when we started redeploying units home, we didn't just leave all or even some of their equipment behind. I can imagine the 1st Armored Division starting from scratch. Seriously? How does that even rise to the level of common sense?

Maybe we need a separate thread on foreign military aid programs to better inform CT believers how the system works.

And, if these vehicles are being used in Jade Helm, where are they? It is pretty hard to hide a Stryker plying the roads of Texas.

Some of the other diatribes mixed in with those responses (Georgia Guidestones?) were a little disturbing.

But keep at it regardless. Maybe common sense will prevail.
 
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Jeremy

Active Member
I went round these houses on Youtube.... I'm Detcord1, if that was not obvious, but the links I post goes some way to explaining the numbers of vehicles being brought back from Afghanistan.


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Susan Barrett
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detcord1 wrong they left everything behind for ISIS where do you thing they got all that American weapons, humvies and tanks not to mention arms and armaments. Bringing back all that stuff would stiffle the military spending and they would not get those increased budgets. You have connect the dots.
https://plus.google.com/b/107059953628407861391/110151992322396992844
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Richard Laflamme


Aug 16, 2015
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Susan Barrett They left some equipment susan not all.

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Susan Barrett

Aug 16, 2015
+
Susan Barrett 99% was left
https://plus.google.com/b/107059953628407861391/110151992322396992844
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Richard Laflamme


Aug 16, 2015
Can you show me documents stating that 99% of vehicles were left there.

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detcord1


Aug 16, 2015
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Susan Barrett ISIS in not in Afghanistan.
https://plus.google.com/b/107059953628407861391/110151992322396992844
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detcord1


Aug 16, 2015
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Susan Barrett I must have seen thousands of the 1% in Kandahar. How many armoured vehicles do you think ISIS has?

And if 99% of US vehicles were left in Afghanistan, did they make a load more, paint them sand coloured and just park them in the US? Strange defence policy....

ba055d1cf497bc1917ec60ce228d698d._.png
beneehall


Aug 17, 2015
+
detcord1 How is THAT a dead giveaway? Jade Helm is being held in Southern states like, oh, say TEXAS, and NEVADA and you know, states with DESERT, just LIKE Afghanistan.

And your assertion that this desert camo equipment is returning from a theater of war, where is your documentation, your PROOF.

Whatever, out of a documentary over 9 minutes long, with dozens of points made, you pick up one small aspect and ignore all the rest.

I'm speculating, (for good reason) that you're a paid shill with circle jerk buddies or paid employees giving you real good tugs with their supportive comments. I can only imagine that it feels real good cause I'm not into that but hey, win, win for you guys,,, pleasure with profit and the betrayal of your fellow American. Unless, of course, y'all got the old snip, snip as babies. Did the snipper get to suck the blood out?

If you guys are NOT one of the tribe, you're fucked. They'll USE you, even pay you but what makes you think that YOU'RE included in their plans?

What makes you think that YOU will be one of the 500 million spared according to the Georgia Guidestones? Better get the snip snip done before it's too late.

ba055d1cf497bc1917ec60ce228d698d._.png
beneehall


Aug 17, 2015
+
detcord1 Yes, they, (military, industrial complex) did make a load more and paint them to suit the terrain of the new theater of war coming, the USA. You know, the country where if you speak of or defend the Constitution, you are labelled a terrorist and are put on a terrorist list.

If your mother emails you saying she's not well and has a bad "constitution" NSA will flag that email and put her AND you on a terrorist watch list.

You know, the country where the Fuehrer has assigned himself the power to arrest you and detain you forever, no charges, no habeus corpus, no lawyer.

And yes, it IS a strange defense policy but not so strange when you realize that the new enemy are American citizens. You know, those guys just by fact of being citizens of the USA, those guys are charged with defending their country from enemies foreign OR domestic.

ba055d1cf497bc1917ec60ce228d698d._.png
beneehall

+detcord1 ISIS is anywhere the CIA,NSA, Mossad want them to be.
https://plus.google.com/b/107059953628407861391/110151992322396992844
ea54f3281ce798353e88870c39a3bef0.jpg
detcord1


Aug 17, 2015
+
beneehall So you want proof and evidence, then continue with paragraph after paragraph of unreferenced assertions and bigotry...?

Again, if 99% of vehicles have been left behind in the middle east (Ill be generous and include Afghanistan), did they just make thousands of new ones?

With what money?

Here are the British vehicles returning and they had a fraction of the US numbers:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/more-than-1000-vehicles-return-from-afghanistan
https://plus.google.com/b/107059953628407861391/110151992322396992844
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-25848662

Here are a load being prepared for shipment:

http://www.stripes.com/news/militar...ds-for-return-to-us-from-afghanistan-1.207247

Here is some documentation that you requested:

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-768

"ISIS is anywhere the CIA,NSA, Mossad want them to be."
Do you have any evidence of that, or do you just believe anything that Youtube tells you?
Content from External Source
https://plus.google.com/b/107059953628407861391/110151992322396992844

The crypto-fascism of many conspiracy/tinfoil-hat types (especially the anti-Semitism) isn't really hard to miss, and I've always found it hypocritical on their part as well. If the "new world order" or Georgia Guidestones proposals became a reality, guys like beneehall would more than likely support both.
And why does he believe only Jewish men are circumcised?
 

Belieber

New Member
Hey

as a newbie here on the forums, it is discussions like this that will put a lot of fears to rest.

I applaud anyone who can demonstrate an argument without using insults as some of you have done here
 
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