Looking for debunkings of the “Plandemic” video

Unwound

New Member
I’ve been seeing a lot about this video the last few days, and am looking for thoughts on it from people who might actually know a thing or two about virology and medicine.

I’m not really wanting to post a link to it, but you’ve probably seen it, or seen talk of it.
 

Mendel

Senior Member.
This reddit debunk seems quite detailed and thorough. It ends:
Article:
In conclusion, this woman has a serious axe to grind with her peers and even her former collaborating colleagues. Her published research has been completely discredited by a dozen independent studies. This is why we have peer review of scientific claims - in order to discern real fact. Dr. Mikovits was to a receive $1.5M grant from NIAID herself, which she has now lost due to lack of scientific fact and lack of ethics. Sometimes I see a meme on Facebook that says something about how some people believe that scientists are conspiring to lie to them… like, why would scientists lie? They “lie” or more accurately, falsify data because believe it or not, science is even more competitive than the music industry and scientists can’t sell tickets to their show. In order to receive any money for doing science, one needs an expensive education and to be able to publish credible findings.

Dr. Mikovits cannot even be honest or discerning in relaying the truth about her legal issues, so I do not know why anyone would take any testimony by this person about anything with anything other than a large grain of salt and that is the nicest way I can say it.
 

Unwound

New Member
I did find the Reddit rebuttals, and have used them, and been derided for it. I’ve found them to be very useful, though.

as for literally hundreds posting critiques, when I went looking, I did not find them. Maybe I was too early? Will follow your link, Mick. Thanks!
 

Unwound

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Thanks so much for the google search link, Mick. I had been looking for info before most of those articles were published, according to the time stamps. So this is great.
 

Jon Adams

Member
Ahh, Rockefeller. Trilateral Commission, Masons, Illuminati.

While I can't speak for what may or may not have been cooked up in the cabals of the wealthy a hundred+ years ago (or today either), it really wasn't until the end of the 19th century/beginning of the 20th that the germ theory of disease was finally accepted. Heck, it wan't until the US Civil War period that Pasteur finally was able to start convincing everyone that there was no such thing as spontaneous generation! (Maggots spontaneously growing from spoiled meat was a common belief.) I remember as a kid in school doing that experiment in my science class, although we used a nutrient agar rather than spoiled meat.

Things were still on the tail end of the old "miasma" ideas. While Rockefeller and his ilk were extraordinarily wealthy, titans of industry, and with their hands firmly in the mechanisms of government and society, there wasn't really much understanding of viruses. Vaccination had only just begun at the end of the 1700s, with Jenner's now-unconventional method of figuring out that vaccination against deadly smallpox could be done by exposure with cowpox, a related disease. But no one could demonstrate the mechanisms.

I can only imagine that there were those in society who believed that the golden age of medicine was on them. However, it really wasn't until starting to learn about genetics and DNA that science could actually start to understand the mechanisms. Nonetheless, lots of really seminal work was done in the early 1900s. But, like I said in another post, there was always a tremendous amount of pseudoscience and quackery (drinking bleach and other toxins for simple-minded and wrong reasons, homeopathy, reiki, and the hits just keep a'comin) that to this day continues although we should know better.

Cheers - Jon
 

Leifer

Senior Member.
Here is a blog write-up and debunk of Plandemic.
It's not as "polite" as we prefer here, but it is backed-up by plenty of links.

https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/05/06/judy-mikovits-pandemic/

snippet.....
.......We now get to Judy Mikovits, who is portrayed in the clip above as just the sort of brave maverick scientist and truth teller that every good conspiracy theory needs, a woman with hidden knowledge who’s fighting dark powerful forces seeking to “silence her.” The sad thing is, at one time she was a decent scientist, unlike some other legitimate scientists turned antivaccine cranks, like Christopher Shaw, Christopher Exley, Jeffrey Lyons-Weiler, and Andrew Wakefield, who were almost certainly never very good scientists even before they turned into cranks.
 
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deirdre

Senior Member.

she also does not say Fauchi helped invent HIV.

she says:
Claim: Fauchi unethically making money off patents

8:15 Judy: [AIDS] that virus was spread through because of the arrogance of a group of people, and it includes Robert Redfield, who is now the head of the CDC. Right along with Tony Fauchi, they were working together to take credit and make money. and they have the patents on it. and tailored them to IL-2 therapy which was absolutely the wrong therapy. and had that not happened millions would not have died from HIV.
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9:03 "repeal the Bayh Dole Act'"


article from 2005-
Fauci, an internationally known expert on illnesses from the flu to AIDS, said he originally refused to take the royalties but was told he legally had to accept them. So he has donated all the money to charity.

“I’m going to give every penny of it to charity ... no matter what the yearly amount is,” he said.
Fauci also said he once tried to report his payments on his federal financial disclosure report, which is available to the public, but was told to remove them because NIH considers the money federal compensation, not outside income.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6809390/n...report-researchers-mumon-financial-interests/
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
she did say she invented ebola (sort of)

Claim: I taught ebola to infect human cells
about 12:30 in documentary:
"In 1999 i was working in Fort Detrick in USAMRIID and my job was to teach ebola how to infect human cells without killing them. Ebola couldn't infect human cells until we took it in the laboratories and taught it"


While we could not verify Mikovits' claims to have worked at the lab nor the nature of the work she might have done there, her statements simply don't pass the sniff test. If in 1999 her research was aimed at getting Ebola to infect humans, she was behind the curve — by decades. The first Ebola outbreak occurred in 1976 in central Africa, killing 280 people. Between 1976 and 1999, there were several more such outbreaks that killed hundreds of people.
Clearly, Ebola was able to infect humans long before 1999.
Content from External Source
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/8524...e-look-at-the-viral-conspiracy-video-s-claims
 
And what about the comments on the CV19 situation from Professor Dolores Cahill in her interview with Dave Cullen (Computing Forever)? This individual has not been "discredited" and yet still says many of the same things as Mikovits? Unfortunately you'll have to find the interview on BitChute as Youtube doe snot take kindly to anyone who questions the CV19 narrative. I'm sure you fellas should have no trouble debunking everything this PHD in Immunology has to say about how CV19 is not the pandemic its been marketed to be.

NOTE: I did do a search on this individual name and got no hits so I assume you've not yet discussed her or her interview yet but if you have then apologies and please point me to the thread on this.

Bitchute Link: Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Avc6_ftzk3w/
 

Alexandria Nick

Active Member
she did say she invented ebola (sort of)

Claim: I taught ebola to infect human cells
about 12:30 in documentary:
"In 1999 i was working in Fort Detrick in USAMRIID and my job was to teach ebola how to infect human cells without killing them. Ebola couldn't infect human cells until we took it in the laboratories and taught it"


While we could not verify Mikovits' claims to have worked at the lab nor the nature of the work she might have done there, her statements simply don't pass the sniff test. If in 1999 her research was aimed at getting Ebola to infect humans, she was behind the curve — by decades. The first Ebola outbreak occurred in 1976 in central Africa, killing 280 people. Between 1976 and 1999, there were several more such outbreaks that killed hundreds of people.
Clearly, Ebola was able to infect humans long before 1999.
Content from External Source
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/8524...e-look-at-the-viral-conspiracy-video-s-claims

Also, just 35 miles from Fort Detrick, in Reston, VA, there were asymptomatic human cases of what is now called Reston ebolavirus. In 1990.
 

Henjin

New Member
One suspicious thing about the Plandemic video was that it was being promoted by Zac Vorhies, who came out on Project Veritas as a supposed Google whistleblower in 2019. Vorhies was also one of the few supposed eyewitnesses who was interviewed by the media about the 2018 YouTube HQ shooting (http://burners.me/2019/09/04/something-strange-about-the-google-whistleblower/).

On April 19th, before the Plandemic documentary had been published, Zac Vorhies started a GoFundMe campaign titled "Help me amplify Pharma Whistleblower Judy Mikovits" which has since been removed. It featured an unlisted YouTube video titled "July Mikovits Crowdfunding for PR" (youtube.com/watch?v=6awM9bZm2e4), where Vorhies said the following (at time 3:03):

I was introduced to Judy by filmmaker Mikki Willis, who asked me to look in and see if I could help Judy with a few social media things and helping her get started. I came out and offered her that I would do it for free for a few days. And wow, she went viral. I created a Twitter account, and within one day she got 17,000 followers. Every video tweet that I do under her name gets way more engagement than I've ever seen. And I blew the whistle on Google. At this point, saying the amount of engagement that this lady is getting - that what we need to do right now is we need to double down. And we need to amplify her message for the next week, for the next two weeks. So I'm reaching out to you today for your help to help me make America great again. With a small contribution - and I'm gonna use the money that you contribute to her to pay for myself. Because I can do all the media. I know how to run a campaign. And no one can do it as good as I can that I know of. And so that's what we're gonna do. We're going to make her famous. And I want to say that in the last 24 hours, I've got two major YouTube content creators booking schedule. That's RedPill78, with over 200,000 subscribers I believe. Traci Beans with over a hundred thousand subscribers. And just this morning, Sarah Carter called in, and we're now scheduling an interview with her. So we're about to go really really really really big. And so, you know, I've done this all before. We're just gonna spin it right around again, and we're gonna make this a huge success.
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I don't know what it's based on, but the page for Zac Vorhies on mylife.com (http://webcache.googleusercontent.c.../www.mylife.com/zachary-vorhies/e910516938912, http://archive.vn/wHWqv) says the following (screencap below): "Zachary's ethnicity is Caucasian Jew, whose political affiliation is currently a registered Classical Liberal Larper; and religious views are listed as Christian Larper."

zac-vorhies-christian-larper.png

Another suspicious thing about the Plandemic documentary is that its director used to be the videographer of Bernie Sanders (https://twitter.com/search?q=from:perpetualmaniac mikki):



What is also fishy about Mikovits is that she says that she's from a government family and that she was "taught by agencies" how to protect herself. In an interview with Robert David Steele on May 4th (bitchute.com/video/dRGKaLLd78o), Mikovits said the following (at time 31:33):

I grew up in Washington D.C., so I knew how to protect myself, starting in 1979. Because my sister - my identical twin - was a secretary in the Pentagon, doing super-secret rescue of Iran hostages when the helicopters crashed. And my step brother found Vince Foster dead in the park and said he didn't kill himself. So we learned at a very young age how to never keep the same patterns, not do the same thing, how to watch behind us. I was taught literally by agencies in 1979 while I was a senior at University of Virginia how to protect myself.
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A document by Defense Nuclear Agency (https://archive.org/stream/Carter-R...s Folder 6#page/n889/mode/2up/search/mikovits) mentions Judy's twin sister Julie Mikovits indented under the headings "DASD(Intelligence)" > "Dir, National Intelligence Systems" > "Mr. Anthony J. Tether" > "Mr. Victor E. Jones". "DASD" stands for "Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense".

Mikovits's mother Gloria Furr-Fornshill was mentioned in the reference list of a paper published by the Defense Technical Information Center in 1994 (https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA279990/page/n829/mode/2up), where the reference labeled "Mapstone 1994" is described as "Private Communication on Standards Survey Review (through Gloria Furr-Fornshill), LTC Terry Mapstone, DISA/JIEO/TBC, 27 January 1994."

The story of how Mikovits's stepbrother Kevin Fornshill was involved in the death of Vince Foster is discussed by these books:

- "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy (1997) (https://books.google.com/books?id=qT8eb8oTzdMC&pg=PA29).
- "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" by Abrose Evans-Pritchard (1997) (http://survivorbb.rapeutation.com/viewtopic.php?f=218&t=2895&start=10). Refers to the deposition of Kevin Fornshill, which I didn't find online.
- "Hillary and Vince" by Dean Arnold (2016) (https://www.amazon.com/Hillary-Vince-story-death-cover-up-ebook/dp/B01GY5FIXI). Summarized in this blog post: https://deanslist.info/50-facts-abo...oster-that-will-convince-you-he-was-murdered/.

The LinkedIn page of Kevin Fornshill (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-fornshill-a7195146) says that he conducts "research and training regarding White Extremist groups". He has held training courses for Anti-Defamation League, Department of Homeland Security, FBI, and Southern Poverty Law Center. He also recieved a "Shield Award" from ADL for "10 years of intelligence gathering, and training of law enforcement agencies, and for conducting hate crime investigations, in the Washington, DC, Metropolitan Area."

Kevin Fornshill is probably not related to Judy Mikovits by blood, because he is not mentioned in the obituary of her mother (https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/md/frederick/gloria-furr-fornshill-8679638).
 
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