Leaked Osama bin Laden Abbottabad Commission report on Al Jazeera - Debunks Conspiracy Theories

Mick West

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This leaked report details the Pakistani reaction to the bin Laden killing by US forces. It concludes that bin Laden was killed more or less as described, and not killed many years earlier, as conspiracy theories suggest.





It will be interesting to see how conspiracy culture incorporates this report into the various theories.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/spotlight/binladenfiles/
http://webapps.aljazeera.net/aje/custom/binladenfiles/Pakistan-Bin-Laden-Dossier.pdf
 
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Mick West

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Page 197 of this report is missing. That would contain paragraphs 463 (partial), 464, and 465 (partial)
 

Soulfly

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Page 197 of this report is missing. That would contain paragraphs 463 (partial), 464, and 465 (partial)
Is there anyway to tell that the missing page contains important details. Does the page before and after contain important details?

It is a scanned document, the person who scanned it could have just missed a page.
 

Joe

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Al Jazeera ? Im not buying it . Burial at sea ? Something about the whole Bin Laden Killing stinks .
 

MikeC

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Is there anyway to tell that the missing page contains important details. Does the page before and after contain important details?
the preceding page is talking about the USA making statements about OBL's presence in Pakistan with the knowledge of "elements of the intelligence community", and the ISI asking for more details but getting no answer. It then says the ISI was neither "complicit nor incompetent" in the presence of OBL, stating that heir role was counter-terrorism, it's performance against AQ "spoke for itself", and if it was protecting OBL it wouldn't have provided phone numbers & handed over persons to the US.

The subsequent page talks about Shamsi airbase being developed into a Predator drone base used for lethal strikes and co-operation between the ISI and CIA being undermined by various factors.

So it looks like the missing section probably covers similar aspects or questions regarding information sharing and potential ISI knowledge about OBL's presence.
 

Joe

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Any evidence?
No how could I have evidence ? Burial at sea isnt a muslim tradition
. If it were the boston Bomber could have been tossed into the Atlantic . where is the evidence that whats happened ? I havent seen any ? No Body ? With most of the seals killed in a helicopter in Afghanistan Thanks to big mouth Biden .there is no eveidence that naything we were told has happened . Just like Benghazi all lies . Gun running and over 30 armed CIA that were told to stand down as Stevens was murdered . OH thats right another Phony scandal
 

Landru

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No how could I have evidence ? Burial at sea isnt a muslim tradition
. If it were the boston Bomber could have been tossed into the Atlantic . where is the evidence that whats happened ? I havent seen any ? No Body ? With most of the seals killed in a helicopter in Afghanistan Thanks to big mouth Biden .there is no eveidence that naything we were told has happened . Just like Benghazi all lies . Gun running and over 30 armed CIA that were told to stand down as Stevens was murdered . OH thats right another Phony scandal
The Seals killed were not the same ones from the raid. They were from DEVGRU but not the same guys.
 

Joe

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The Seals killed were not the same ones from the raid. They were from DEVGRU but not the same guys.
None of them ? It was seal team six that supposedly killed Osama and seal team six Killed in Afghanistan . Im not sure if anyone knows who exactly Who out of seal team six were on the Bin Laden raid .
 

Cairenn

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Where would you have buried bin Laden? His burial site would have become a shrine for some, that is why no Muslim country wanted it.

And Landru is correct, different Seals. Joe it helps one's credibility when they make sure of basic facts.

The Gish Gallop about Bengazi and 'gun running' doesn't help you either.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/0...ans-killed-in-helicopter-crash/#ixzz2b9LonUDn

 

Landru

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None of them ? It was seal team six that supposedly killed Osama and seal team six Killed in Afghanistan . Im not sure if anyone knows who exactly Who out of seal team six were on the Bin Laden raid .
Any evidence that the guys killed were the same guys? Do you know how big DEVGRU is?
 

xenon

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Al Jazeera ? Im not buying it . Burial at sea ? Something about the whole Bin Laden Killing stinks .
Here's an interesting theory, put forth by Paul Craig Roberts. (not endorsing, just posting)

Now Paul Craig Roberts will probably be called all manner of things, but one should take just a second to review his background:

Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist and a columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration and was noted as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. He has testified before congressional committees on 30 occasions on issues of economic policy...

Roberts is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the University of California, Berkeley and at Merton College, Oxford University.[3] His first scholarly article (Classica et Mediaevalia) was a reformulation of "The Pirenne Thesis."...more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts
Not an everyday run of the mill Kook conspiracy theorist, Dr. Roberts...But this is one explosive and controversial interview.


I believe what he says about the Pakistani tv broadcast. That should be a relatively easy thing to confirm. And more evidence hopefully will come out because of the families of those killed on the helicopter.
 

Joe

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Where would you have buried bin Laden? His burial site would have become a shrine for some, that is why no Muslim country wanted it.

And Landru is correct, different Seals. Joe it helps one's credibility when they make sure of basic facts.

The Gish Gallop about Bengazi and 'gun running' doesn't help you either.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/0...ans-killed-in-helicopter-crash/#ixzz2b9LonUDn

where is the proof of who was on the Bin Laden Raid ? Names ? Gish Gallop ? It was quite Obvious from the beginning and the truth is coming out after a year . Thats why the fake terror alert . http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/0...ratives-on-the-ground-during-benghazi-attack/ Im going to laugh when the truth comes out and rub it in .
 

Joe

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Any evidence that the guys killed were the same guys? Do you know how big DEVGRU is?
No None at all . Cant prove either way . Cant debunk what we will never know and Im speculating thats why they were targeted in the first place . Eye for a eye works in the Muslim world .The whole Bin laden thing stinks .
 

MikeC

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where is the proof of who was on the Bin Laden Raid ?
You are the one who said they were the same:

how about you back up your own claim before accusing everyone else of a gish gallop??

I note that not a single member of any family of the known casualties from the Chinook crash has suggested that their loved ones were involved in the OBL raid.
 

Joe

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You are the one who said they were the same:

how about you back up your own claim before accusing everyone else of a gish gallop??

I note that not a single member of any family of the known casualties from the Chinook crash has suggested that their loved ones were involved in the OBL raid.
I didn't accuse any one of gish gallop ? I was responding to Caireen about accusing me of Gish gallop . The families wouldn't even know at all who was on the Bin laden raid . There is know way of knowing who was on the raid . So no proof they werent on the Chinook . Ill ask next time Im at the Navy Seal Museum http://navysealmuseum.com/
 

Pete Tar

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That doesnt mean they would say who is who . Youll never know who was on the raid and there is no way of knowing at all .

Then how can you justify making a statement like "With most of the seals killed in a helicopter in Afghanistan"?
 

MikeC

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I didn't accuse any one of gish gallop ? I was responding to Caireen about accusing me of Gish gallop .
Fair enough - my mistake and I apologise.

The families wouldn't even know at all who was on the Bin laden raid . There is know way of knowing who was on the raid . So no proof they werent on the Chinook .
But you said they DEFINITELY WERE on the Chinook - despite it being a completely different squadron from ST 6. It was part of the evidence that you used to support the idea that the story about OBL being dead and buried at sea is a lie.

Are you withdrawing that claim??
 

Joe

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Fair enough - my mistake and I apologise.



But you said they DEFINITELY WERE on the Chinook - despite it being a completely different squadron from ST 6. It was part of the evidence that you used to support the idea that the story about OBL being dead and buried at sea is a lie.

Are you withdrawing that claim??
Ill take back the claim about them definitely being on the chinook although its possible some were . I still think the whole story about Bin laden stinks .
 
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Joe

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We are not discussing Benghazi in this thread. Start one for it, I will ignore it.
Your right it was off topic and Im sure you wouldnt want to know the truth anyhow . When the whole truth comes out Ill post it and you can Ignore it all you want. :)
 

Cairenn

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The truth is is out, I know you won't believe it. that is your problem, not other's problem.
 

SR1419

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Youll never know who was on the raid and there is no way of knowing at all .
Of course, there is always this....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Easy_Day
 

Oxymoron

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The simple fact is, it was foretold that OBL would be a scapegoat for a 9/11 type attack, before 9/11. About 15 of the terrorists were Saudis and the Bush attacked Afghanistan. They holed up OBL and then let him go. There have been so many lies told about him and AQ and so much obfuscation and secrecy that I wouldn't believe anything the US government says.

Not to gish gallop, I'll limit to that and also the wildly different accounts of what happened such as the fact that different seals have claimed to have killed him and under different circumstances:

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/593...nd-unarmed-and-maybe-already-dead-details.htm

http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/03/even-more-on-the-photos/
Doesn't sound too convincing. Either they are gruesome and mangled or they are identifiable, can't see both as applicable.


Personally, I believe he died in Dec 2001, as do many others.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23674587/The-Last-Days-of-Bin-Laden-by-Nick-Kollerstrom-PhD

 

Josh Heuer

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What's interesting was that it was reported initially that bin Laden was ill and was on dialysis in 2001, but most reports were retracted or new reports came out stating he only was treated for kidney stones.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html
Explains how a CIA agent payed a visit to bin Laden while he was in a hospital in Dubai in 2001. Even though he was public enemy #1 at the time, no arrest or attempted arrest appears to have been made.
 

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Here is a link to the Seal Team Six families:
If you watch it all, sounds like some of them might pursue it. Although if some of their sons were the same people on the "Osama raid" then they'll probably run across the same thing that Sibel Edmonds did. I.e. normal bureaucratic inertia and so forth might begin to look like something else if they follow the trail far enough.

From my perspective as a conspiracy theorist, the fact that people closer to the top apparently "made it happen on purpose" or "let it happen on purpose" as far as an agent provocateur officiating at the funeral is an interesting element. That seems similar to provoking the fire fighters on 911, given that they were the people most likely to question and investigate the events of the day if they weren't distracted by a moral degenerate like Giuliani.

If you read Sibel Edmond's book you'll find why few people get very far against the usual bureaucratic inertia and corruption within the establishment that's usually mixed in with any conspiracies within it. It takes a special type of person to even begin to get through it. And a notepad to record everything, etc... not to mention that fact that people are risking their careers and so forth.
 

SR1419

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Personally, I believe he died in Dec 2001, as do many others.

Perhaps....but none of his colleagues seem to hold the same belief:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Islamic_organizations

This site has a lot of reactions from other Jihadists...

http://jihadology.net/?s=Death+of+Osama+Bin+Laden&submit=


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/02/taliban-avenge-bin-laden-death

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/05/pakistani_taliban_pr_1.php

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/jihadists-websites-target-navy-seal-author/56185/
 

Oxymoron

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Perhaps....but none of his colleagues seem to hold the same belief:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Islamic_organizations

This site has a lot of reactions from other Jihadists...

http://jihadology.net/?s=Death of Osama Bin Laden&submit=


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/02/taliban-avenge-bin-laden-death

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/05/pakistani_taliban_pr_1.php

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/jihadists-websites-target-navy-seal-author/56185/
Yes, I have wondered about that myself but is it politics? By hiding his death in the first place, he became the 'catch me if you can' icon and rallying call but he couldn't go on forever in that role so is it good politic to capitalise on 'the death' to raise him to martyr status?

I don't know but it is my strong feeling he died in 2001... there were reports of it which I will root out later and it makes sense of why they held off on Tora Bora... I mean if the had kiled him there what justification could they have for being in Afghanistan, (which was weak anyway)?

I think of things like El Cid and Scientology guy Hubbard, etc... it is a well known ploy after all.
 

MikeC

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Yes it is a well known ploy - but is there any actual evidence, beyond wishful thinking, that it is being employed in this case??
 
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SR1419

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Yes, I have wondered about that myself but is it politics? By hiding his death in the first place, he became the 'catch me if you can' icon and rallying call but he couldn't go on forever in that role so is it good politic to capitalise on 'the death' to raise him to martyr status?
I just do not see the inner circle of AQ going along with any charade or conspiracy put forth by the US for whatever reason.
 

Joe

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Yes it is a well known ply - but is there any actual evidence, beyond wishful thinking, that it is being employed in this case??
So because there is no evidence we should expect our government is telling the truth and there is no cover up ? We shouldn't question just go along like shepple ? Because governments are always open and honest with their citizens ????????
 

MikeC

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So because there is no evidence we should expect our government is telling the truth and there is no cover up ? We shouldn't question just go along like shepple ? Because governments are always open and honest with their citizens ????????
If you believed everything there is no evidence for you'd be a pretty sad case.:D:rolleyes::eek:

I am saying that suspicion should not be allowed to become belief without evidence.
 

Joe

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If you believed everything there is no evidence for you'd be a pretty sad case.:D:rolleyes::eek:

I am saying that suspicion should not be allowed to become belief without evidence.
But many things are impossible for the average joe to prove and when you have a corrupt media that doesn't do its job . So we should take them at their word because they are so honest and truthful ? Its not that I believe as much as I question weather or not what they say is the truth . They are all liars or lawyers so why should we trust them at all ?
 

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