Latoya Ammons - A Real Life Demonic Possession?

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A terrified mother claims she watched in horror as her demon-possessed 9-year-old son walked backwards up a wall and ceiling. Her claims would be easy to dismiss if a child services case worker and a nurse weren’t reportedly there to witness it all.
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Pics, or it didn't happen.
Look in the window thats a police photo . Supposedly there were many witnesses including a social worker . Beck said he was going to send Penn Jilette to Investigate being he is a skeptic .Thats the reason I posted it here since most here are skeptics . I agree I have a hard time believing it as well but so far nobody has proven otherwise . Ill update as more info comes out .
 

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You'd think if the police saw a demon at the window they would investigate.

Generally cases like these are just the family, and most often just the kids, or one kid, fooling gullible investigators. Hidden cameras often reveal what is going on.
 

Mick West

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You wouldn't accept the sworn testimony of a social worker or police officer . . . not saying there is any such testimony but just asking?

What someone said they saw, and what they actually saw, are very different things.

They claim physical things happened, and yet nobody recorded any of them in any way?

Sorry, but it's just vastly more likely that Ammons and the kids were mentally ill and/or faking it, than all of known science being thrown out the window.

There's no actual physical evidence here. None at all. Just theatrics.
 

George B

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What someone said they saw, and what they actually saw, are very different things.

They claim physical things happened, and yet nobody recorded any of them in any way?

Sorry, but it's just vastly more likely that Ammons and the kids were mentally ill and/or faking it, than all of known science being thrown out the window.

There's no actual physical evidence here. None at all. Just theatrics.
I get your point . . . however, I have two interesting first hand testimonies from separate sources regarding demonic activity and I have a hard time dismissing them . . . and yes I have no photographic evidence . . .
 
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What someone said they saw, and what they actually saw, are very different things.

They claim physical things happened, and yet nobody recorded any of them in any way?

Sorry, but it's just vastly more likely that Ammons and the kids were mentally ill and/or faking it, than all of known science being thrown out the window.

There's no actual physical evidence here. None at all. Just theatrics.
Im sure its fake . But?
 

Mick West

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Im sure its fake . But?

But maybe the supernatural is real, even though there's no real evidence for it? Sure.

But debunking is about the evidence, not the theories. There's really no evidence here to debunk. All I can do is point out the lack of evidence.
 

Mark Barrington

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That's a very vague outline in that window. It looks like a leftover halloween skeleton cutout, maybe:



without a more closeup picture, no way to tell what it actually is. It could be anything with that basic shape, or a reflection or imperfections in the glass.
 

George B

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But maybe the supernatural is real, even though there's no real evidence for it? Sure.

But debunking is about the evidence, not the theories. There's really no evidence here to debunk. All I can do is point out the lack of evidence.
That is why the supernatural (demonic possession) and more specifically demonic issues falls under the auspice of religion and more specifically the Catholic Church . . . they maintain a protocol for exorcism and tests to determine if exorcism is warranted . . .
 

George B

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Back in the mid 1990s I worked near St Louis, Mo. a close friend of my wife and I was the executive secretary for the Provost of St Louis University . . . when she first came to work there she was taken to the fourth floor of the building she worked in and told that it was the portion of her building that was connected to the original case that inspired the movie The Exorcist . . . and that there were such anomalies experienced there that is could not be used for offices or any other purpose and to avoid it . . . things like paint not adhering to the walls and ceiling . . . electrical circuits not working properly or at all , strange noises, smells and very cold temperatures even in the middle of the summer . . . It was permanently locked and off limits to everyone . . . below you find some I found about this issue . . .

On further research I found that this may have been in error because the Hospital was torn down well before my friend's employment but the hospital had many sections and some portion may have remained and used by the university as administrative offices . . .or they were completely in error . . . Never-the-less, this seems to be an example of once people are told anything about demonic activity existing . . . it takes on a life of its own . . . even when many inaccuracies and errors would invalidate their recollections. . .


1949—Jesuit Priests from SLU assist a teenage boy, Robbie Mannheim, believed to suffer from demonic possession. The boy's experience serves as the basis of the documentary In The Grip Of Evil and is dramatized in the 1971 novel The Exorcist followed by the 1973 film film The Exorcist. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Louis_University


Walter Halloran SJ (September 21, 1921 – March 1, 2005) was a Catholic priest[1] of the Society of Jesus who, at the age of twenty-six, assisted in the exorcism of Roland Doe, a thirteen-year-old Lutheran boy in St. Louis, Missouri[2] This was the case that William Peter Blatty was inspired by when he wrote his novel The Exorcist.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Halloran


Article from 15 Oct 2013 about the Hospital building on St Louis Univ was torn down .. Alexian Brothers Hospital torn down sometime in the past . . .


http://m.stltoday.com/entertainment/books-and-literature/book-blog/slu-revisits-famous-exorcism/article_a215b03a-07b1-5288-8921-510b811dc5ec.html?mobile_touch=true

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THE DEVIL IN ST. LOUIS
When Robbie left the Alexian Brothers Hospital, Brother Rector Cornelius went to the fifth floor corridor of the old wing, had a statue of St. Michael removed from Robbie's room, turned a key in the door and stated that the room was to be kept permanently locked. From that day on, the Alexian Brothers in St. Louis maintained the secrets of the exorcism. The existence of Father Bishop's diary also remained a secret and a copy of it had been placed inside of the room when it was sealed. Everyone who worked in the hospital though knew why the room was locked. For years after the exorcism, people who were involved in the case, or who worked at the hospital, shared stories of things they heard and saw during the several week ordeal that occurred in the psychiatric wing. Orderlies spoke of cleaning up pools of vomit and urine in the boy's rooms. Staff members and nurses claimed to hear the sounds of someone screaming and the echoes of demonic laughter coming from Robbie's room. Most especially though, they spoke of the cold waves of air that seemed to emanate from the room. No matter how warm the rest of the hospital was, the area around the door to the boy's room was always ice cold.
And even after the exorcism ended, something apparently remained behind. Was it some remnant of the entity that possessed Robbie or perhaps the impression of the horrific events that occurred in the room? Whatever it was, the room was never re-opened. Electrical problems plagued the surrounding rooms and it was always cold in the hallway outside the door to this particular room. The entire section of the hospital was eventually closed but whether or not this was because of the "exorcism room" is unknown.
As the years passed, tales about the locked room were passed on to new Brothers who came to serve at the hospital. They knew that the room was located in a wing for extremely ill mental patients but did not understand why one room was kept sealed - until they heard about what had happened there. The Brothers who had been on the staff in 1949 would not soon forget what they had seen and heard.
Other Alexians had their own stories to tell - of banging sounds on their doors at night, voices calling in the darkened corridors, and more. Staff members would continue the stories in the years to come and I have personally spoken to more than a dozen nurses, maintenance people, orderlies and doctors who have dark and distinct memories of the old wing and the locked room on the psychiatric floor. Some of them have told me that sometimes - even after all of these years - they still dream about that wing and that one locked door.
In May 1976, work began on a new Alexian Brothers Hospital and in the first phase of the construction, some of the old outbuildings were torn down and a new six-story tower with two-story wings was built. In October 1978, the patients were moved out of the original hospital building and the contractor ordered the structure to be razed. It was done, but not without difficulty. Workers on the demolition crew claimed to be unable to control the wrecking ball when that floor was taken off. The ball swung around and hit a portion of a new building but luckily did not damage. This incident seemed to further enhance the legend of the room - which continued to grow.
Before the demolition was started, workers first combed through the building for old furniture that was to be taken out and sold. One of them found a locked room in the psychiatric wing and broke in. The room was fully furnished with a dust-covered bed, nightstand, chairs and a desk table with a single drawer. Before removing the table, the worker curiously opened the drawer to see what was inside. He found a small stack of papers inside but neither he nor anyone else would ever learn how or why the report was in the drawer in a room that had presumably been locked since 1949.
The furniture, including all of the items in the locked room, was sold to a company that owned a nursing home a short distance away from the hospital. All of that which was salvaged from the hospital was locked in a room on the fourth floor of the nursing home and was never used. The nursing home itself was later torn down and many of these demolition workers, like the staff people and the city inspectors who had come through, refused to go on the fourth floor - and were never able to explain why. What became of the furniture from the locked room is unknown.
Or at least that's one version of the story…

The full version of the 1949 story appears in Troy Taylor's Upcoming Book, THE DEVIL CAME TO ST. LOUIS -- Available Summer 2006!
http://www.prairieghosts.com/exorcist.html
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MikeC

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I had a colleague for 3 1/2 years who was an exorcist - he regularly banished demons from his congregation of fundy christians. He was (and still is probably) a nice guy.

We had interesting conversations, and fundamental disagreements about the nature of possession - I used to call it depression and epilepsy......
 

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History: Both the police officer and priest believe the demons may have something to do with the home's past. During a dig they found, five foot down into the dirt, a bizarre collection of objects: boys’ socks with the ankle portion cut out, a fake fingernail and women’s panties.
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Women's panties? I'm not surprised the priest believes Satan is involved.
 

Bruno D.

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The DCS report is here:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1004899-intake-officers-report.html

I read through it and unfortunately the main witnesses are the mother, grandmother and the 3 kids. Some bizarre things seems to have happened at the hospital or at the presence of the priest, but very few witnesses again.

Although my personal belief is that this story is impossible, there is not enough evidence to prove if it's real, fake or a case of mass hysteria.

There is one particular claim of evidence that says:

Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.

According to their account of events, Ammons and several others surrounded the girl, praying. Campbell said she remembers being terrified.

"I thought, 'What's going on?' " Campbell said. " 'Why is this happening?' "

Eventually, Campbell said, her granddaughter descended onto the bed. The girl woke up with no memory of what happened, Campbell said.

Campbell and Ammons said the people who were visiting that night refused to return.
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It would be interesting to find out what these people have to say.
 

Trigger Hippie

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Geez, this story went from mildly amusing to a heartbreaking very quickly. From the report...

The children were removed from the mother's care to ensure their safety.

The children's physical or mental condition is seriously impaired or seriously endangered as a result of the inability refusal, or neglect of the children's parent...
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The cop and priest should be ashamed of themselves for perpetuating this nonsense.
 
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I suffer from an anxiety disorder which causes me, at times, to experience very tangible hallucinations. As I watch, read and draw a lot of horror-centric things, my delusions often involve things creeping about in the dark, demonic or disfigured apparitions rushing towards me and agonized screams. Thankfully due to medication and counseling I am at a more stable point in my life but the point is, at the time those things appear real. I have no doubt that if I wasn't a generally rational and skeptical person I would attribute these attacks to some outside source.

I am a firm believer that these types of reports (when not intentionally fabricated) are simply internal phenomena which are externalized due to the way the mind falters at the time. Unfortunately, it is all too easy to get caught up in someones altered sense of reality if you have some kind of emotional bond with that person.
 

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George B

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I suffer from an anxiety disorder which causes me, at times, to experience very tangible hallucinations. As I watch, read and draw a lot of horror-centric things, my delusions often involve things creeping about in the dark, demonic or disfigured apparitions rushing towards me and agonized screams. Thankfully due to medication and counseling I am at a more stable point in my life but the point is, at the time those things appear real. I have no doubt that if I wasn't a generally rational and skeptical person I would attribute these attacks to some outside source.

I am a firm believer that these types of reports (when not intentionally fabricated) are simply internal phenomena which are externalized due to the way the mind falters at the time. Unfortunately, it is all too easy to get caught up in someones altered sense of reality if you have some kind of emotional bond with that person.
Interesting? Do you think it is possible suggestion is enough to explain all of your experiences . . . when I play golf I have many times followed the flight of my ball and swear it continued past a point many yards past where I find it . . . thus my mind is filling in what I want, expect or fear has happened but reality turns out very different . . .
 

Trigger Hippie

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Unfortunately, it is all too easy to get caught up in someones altered sense of reality if you have some kind of emotional bond with that person.

Thanks for sharing. I can see how the children could get caught up in the mother's delusions. I can't say the same for the police officer.
 
Interesting? Do you think it is possible suggestion is enough to explain all of your experiences . . . when I play golf I have many times followed the flight of my ball and swear it continued past a point many yards past where I find it . . . thus my mind is filling in what I want, expect or fear has happened but reality turns out very different . . .
Sorry if I'm reading this wrong George but are you asking is the types of things I see are soley because of my interests? If so then no I don't but I believe it heavily flavours the way my brain interprets it. We're all products of our environment so everything feeds into everything else in some manner. Your golf anecdote is probably a little wishful thinking combined with the way your brain calculates trajectories... Or a super power...
By the same token, many who report severe haunting phenomena have a religious background or an interest in the supernatural.
 
Thanks for sharing. I can see how the children could get caught up in the mother's delusions. I can't say the same for the police officer.
Providing he wasn't complicit, that's the puzzling part. Could the family have deceived him or perhaps there was a genuinely unsettling atmosphere there which led to a group delusion? Really not sure.
 

JRBids

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I agree I have a hard time believing it as well but so far nobody has proven otherwise . Ill update as more info comes out .

Are you saying you'd believe anything you hear unless someone PROVES otherwise? Give me an example of something that would be too far out for even Joe to believe. :rolleyes:
 

deirdre

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Providing he wasn't complicit, that's the puzzling part. Could the family have deceived him or perhaps there was a genuinely unsettling atmosphere there which led to a group delusion? Really not sure.
personally I think its a lot LESS unsettling if we go with the demon theory!
 

George B

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Sorry if I'm reading this wrong George but are you asking is the types of things I see are soley because of my interests? If so then no I don't but I believe it heavily flavours the way my brain interprets it. We're all products of our environment so everything feeds into everything else in some manner. Your golf anecdote is probably a little wishful thinking combined with the way your brain calculates trajectories... Or a super power...
By the same token, many who report severe haunting phenomena have a religious background or an interest in the supernatural.
I agree those people who have strong religious or spiritual leanings expect some manifestation of the spiritual world and maybe this influences or enhances their expectations . . . the brain is very susceptible to suggestion especially in groups of like minded individuals . . .
 
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