Las Vegas UFO - Lights in Clouds Above The Strip [Light Pillar Map]

taivaantuntija

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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQbyw-_Z4Oo


[Mick: The above is a summary video of this thread's discussion. Original first post follows]
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Looks like we have another case of light pillars, this time in Las Vegas:

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zu0xxx/ufo_above_sapphire_las_vegas/


(video is originally from Tiktok, but there is a user with the same name and the video is behind Instagram's login wall: Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmgZ5Cshs1M/
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Quoting reddit op mranon2k17:

The human account and response on the video seems legitimate, there are two other videos supporting the sighting, and there doesn't appear to be any obvious fuckery. The object in the sky looks to be a solid object, behind the clouds and you can even see in a brief moment that the lights from the ground reflect or bounce off the surface of the object.
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Video is easy enough to geolocate, maybe somebody local can tell where's that red light coming from. The sudden brightening of the reflection that is referred as the bounce from the "solid object, behind the clouds" is easily explained simply as the glint of the searchlights from the ice crystal layer. Tight beam means low to none spill outside the beam, hence the beam doesn't get reflected from the crystals but only when it's pointing towards it.

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(The glint where the beams meet)

700 hPa (around 3 km height) temperature was around zero Celsius, but this is only a modeled temperature: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2022/...826297,36.2163858/loc=-115.1826297,36.2163858
 
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Ravi

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@taivaantuntija
Perhaps good to start a fresh thread on this one. I looked on google maps and streetview, and there are a whole bunch of very very high cranes in the proximity. My guess is someone attached some lights/beams or even a moving one on one of those cranes, likely because of Xmas.
 

deirdre

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Looks like we have another case of light pillars, this time in Las Vegas:
those arent light pillars they are the spot lights from the club. you see it better in the second video in his thread.
(note as the security guy walks out, the people out by the Sapphire sign, are looking in the opposite direction to where he goes and films.)

In your video the guy SAYS "that's a reflection from that light". so...one can assume it is a reflection from that light.

second video (ufo is in the opposite direction) :
Source: https://twitter.com/HotHeadBrett/status/1606216641783611392
 

taivaantuntija

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Searchlights are visible due to backscattering, pillars on the hand are reflections from planar ice crystals. The glint is also a light pillar, foreshortened by perspective effects. All pillars converge on the same point.
 

Z.W. Wolf

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I think those are just lights from the Strip.

Looking SE from Sapphire's toward the Strip
https://earth.google.com/web/search...2m5y1zAIhoKFjlFREQtZXU3NWRMU1h0enp6cXBjbGcQAg

Looking NW from the Strip toward Sapphire's
https://earth.google.com/web/@36.12...r/data=IhoKFnJ2eEROc3MySjAxNGNYNDBTeDBKMUEQAg


I think the two yellow arcs come from Treasure Island (the whole building, not individual lights). The red is from the "Pirate Cove" at Treasure Island.
https://earth.google.com/web/search...EVMRaFEJAEUUY2cihEEJAGYpRBN7vyFzAIa0Qu2m5y1zA



 
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Ann K

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Lights reflecting off of something like this? I don't know what date the Google Earth image is, so it may not be the same one or in the same position, but they are in use in Vegas. This is from @Z.W. Wolf 's references. I'm assuming that's a glassed-in operator cab, so it's something that would give that specular reflection when the spotlights hit it.
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Mick West

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Similar, with explanation:

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Article:
The local weather authorities identified the atmospheric optical phenomenon that occurs when natural or artificial light reflects off flat ice crystals in the air.

The officials from the Shenzhen Meteorological Bureau said in a social media post: "We call these 'warm night light pillars'. They form in conditions that are even more particular than regular light pillars.

"The formation not only requires the existence of high-altitude clouds and the absence of low- and medium-altitude clouds.

"It also needs high humidity in the air, high atmospheric visibility, low wind, as well as ice crystals.

"It wouldn't occur unless all of the elements were present. You guys who spotted this scene were really lucky."
 

Mick West

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TC_Thomas51 on Reddit identified the two curved shaped as the Wynn and Encore. The red light seem to be the end uplights from the Hilton, and from that we can identify the three other dimmer lights.

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Mick West

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It's interesting how wide a view you get. The ice crystal layer might be at 20,000 feet up. Math could be done.
 

Mick West

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And the flashing dot, that is actually the Sapphire Club's spotlights, as seen from high altitude.

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Z.W. Wolf

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The view is mucher wider angle than I was thinking. It's like a miles wide mirror. Amazing.

As for the flashes... Think of the spotlight at Sapphire as a flashlight in your bathroom mirror. You can always see it, but when you point it at the mirror just right you get the sudden bright reflection straight back into your eyes.
 

Mick West

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It's an interesting case. Unusual atmospheric condition, and sightings and videos by multiple people who were all convinced it was something flying in the clouds. Might be worth collecting the accounts.


Mufon 127504


Long Description of Sighting Report
It was 11:24 pm on December 22nd 2022 , I worked a booth selling merchandise at an event called Enchant held by Resort World Casino.. The event was ending, customers were passing by my booth leaving the event .. i heard a young man point to the sky and ask what is that ? He took out his phone and appeared to take pictures.. I looked outside the booth up to the sky briefly and didn't see anything .. continued to work on closing down the booth . A minute or so later more people were taking pictures someone said is that a UFO? I dropped what i was doing and walked all the way out looked up and couldn't believe what i saw..
There were 4 to 5 red bright lights ( not flashing) in a smile pattern not moving right above my head ( this is an outdoor event.. ) as I focused a little more for a very short period seconds I could see 3 corners giving it a triangle shape.. what was hindering the good pictures were the clouds that were between us and the object.. When seeing the shape... I can only describe as kinda wavy ( like the movie predator when the creature is invisible) I attempted to take a picture of this but it really is blurry only because I believe the cloud cover was creating a mist over the object. That is why the pictures get more out of focus. There definitely is a possibility the people taking pictures in the first few moments have clearer pictures.. you could tell the clouds were moving .. i am horrible at distances but it was right over the whole event .. This is a large area . Because the clouds were between the object and us I would have to say it was Las Vegas Blocks Huge! It made no sound it never moved .. There was a white light spinning like a lighthouse thru the clouds above the object . This I believe is what you are seeing in my photos that appear to be yellow. I have no idea what it was .. I figured leave it to the experts. If I had to guess in just the area I was standing at the event there were at least 30 people taking pictures and talking about it .. people would have been able to see it out side that area too there are probably more witnesses..
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I work at Sapphire Las Vegas Gentlemen's Club and several of us saw a UFO hovering over our club for an hour. It was slightly above the clouds. I saw it, my co-workers saw it, customers saw it, and people walking The Strip saw it. You can also contact me through my [link removed]. I'm a former professional wrestler. Here are some links below where you can see the craft and I talk about it in more detail.
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r/UFOs thread with 2000+ comments
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zu0xxx/ufo_above_sapphire_las_vegas/

The OP there updated his post numerous times to add more info, and towards the end was getting rather annoyed at the light pillars explanations:
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Edit 14: This must be a legit UFO because the shills have come out in full force in the comments. All of a sudden everyone is an expert on light reflecting off Ice crystals? Lol That's right up there with swamp gas. Anyway, if ice crystals is the best they could come up with, I guess I'm satisfied that nobody was able to properly debunk this one. I'm done responding to messages. Thank you again to everyone that contributed productively to this post.

Edit 15: Good morning and Merry Christmas Eve. I have received this image from someone. As of yet I have no further information on the photo and I haven't done any analysis on it.

https://i.redd.it/9s85flr8nw7a1.jpeg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Edit 16: I've been interested in ufology for decades and I've come across a vast amount of information related to sightings from all throughout history. It's amazing to me how all of a sudden at the end of 2022 how many "ice pillar" experts there are chiming in with great authority. The conspiratorial part of my brain is telling me that this is went to some counterintelligence rhetoric that's been injected into the community in an effort to muddy the waters, much like the terms "conspiracy theory" and "magic bullet" have been used for years.

Unfortunately for them, this sighting is supported in corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses & multiple video evidence submissions that totally contradict the "ice crystals reflecting off the clouds" narrative.
 

taivaantuntija

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Here's a sounding for Las Vegas for around that time:

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[HEADING=1]72388 VEF Las Vegas Observations at 12Z 23 Dec 2022[/HEADING]
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source: http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sou...AR=2022&MONTH=12&FROM=2312&TO=2312&STNM=72388

Looks like freezing temps occurred just below 4 km.
 

Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member.
Another piece of the puzzle: Why don't other nearby hotels show up? For example why doesn't the red Adventure Dome behind Circus Circus show? It's next to Resort World, after all. Or the Palazzo next to the Wynn?

Answer: Only powerful beams pointed straight upward are clearly visible.

Not my original idea, but it's important.

So why aren't there videos from the South Strip Area near the Luxor?
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Must have been a very local phenomenon.


(Those are bats, btw.)
 
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RatkingDBK

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I'm bit confused as to what is causing that very bright 'glint' to appear in the sky. I understand that there are spotlights flashing at a regular interval at that location. However, upon close inspection, the glint appears before the spotlights even completely intersect. Please look at this gif I made, and let me know what you think. It really seems as though there is something up there, reflecting the light.

Does it make sense for that dot in the sky to be reflecting light even before the spotlights insersect?

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Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member.
Someone started that spotlights intersecting thing, but please forget about it. These reflections were produced by flat plate shaped ice crystals in a layer of ice fog above the city.

https://atoptics.co.uk/halo/orplate.htm
As plate crystals drift downwards, they become oriented in a maximum drag condition. Their large hexagonal end faces are nearly horizontal and the dotted axis (the crystal ‘c’ axis parallel to the side face edges) is almost vertical.

The configuration is dynamically stable in that small deviations produce correcting forces that restore the orientation.

All crystals wobble slightly but good halos result when the c axis stays within a degree of vertical. That halos are so frequent testify to the remarkably good orientations of cloud crystals.

The plates are free to take all rotational orientations about the c-axis. This does not mean that individual crystals 'spin' but rather that an ensemble of millions of crystals in a cloud has all possible rotational positions.
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First, let's talk about when light from a strong light source - primarily the Sun and Moon - is refracted through this type of ice crystal.

Rays passing between vertical side faces inclined with a wedge angle of 60° form sundogs. Rays passing between one of the large horizontal faces and a side face (wedge angle of 90°) form the circumzenithal and circumhorizon arcs.

Now then, in this display, the flat sides of the ice crystals were reflecting light. A critical difference. Millions of ice crystals were acting as mirrors. Their effect - in total - is something like one mirror. It's as if there were a giant mirror on the ceiling. In these videos we are seeing specular (mirror-like) reflections of ground lights.

These are a rare type of artificial light pillar.

https://atoptics.co.uk/halo/lpil.htm
Unlike the crystals producing sun pillars, those making tall artificial light pillars need not be strongly tilted. The column producing pillars are approximately midway between the eye and the light source. The higher the crystals in the atmsphere, the taller is the pillar. When the crystals are very high - or the light sources are close - the pillars seem to radiate from overhead, i.e. the zenith.

https://atoptics.co.uk/halo/pilpic22.htm
The higher the crystal, the more closely does the reflected ray come from the direction of the zenith. Therefore, when there is a cloud of crystals, their reflections appear as a line of light that points directly overhead, the zenith.
The pillars seem to be coming down from the sky, not up from the ground. In this particular display there don't seem to be pillars at all, just blobs of light. I think this means there was only one layer of ice crystals, and a very thin layer at that.

The layer was far, far above the scattered clouds.


As I said before, the flash is like shining a flashlight into a bathroom mirror. You're always going to see the flashlight in your hand, but if you shine the flashlight into the mirror so that the beam reflects into your eyes... you're going to see something very bright. Do you need two flashlights with intersecting beams for this to happen?

The site Atmospheric Optics has a lot to more to say about ice crystals.
 
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Z.W. Wolf

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Why exactly should I forget about the light intersection aspect when the glint only appears when the spotlights intersect?
No it doesn't. But it's a unit with separate spotlights moving at the same time, so it might seem like that happens.
 

RatkingDBK

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Okay, but why would this Ice plate only form in a single tiny place within the sky and none others? Are you suggesting that the environmental conditions are only capable of producing a single plate?
 

Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member.
Okay, but why would this Ice plate only form in a single tiny place within the sky and none others? Are you suggesting that the environmental conditions are only capable of producing a single plate?
Wut?

You really need to read my post carefully and I strongly suggest giving the site Atmospheric Optics a good perusal.
 

Mick West

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The "glint" is the light from the spotlights.

The (miles wide) ice layer only really reflect lights that are pointing straight up. So you only see the spotlight in the "reflection" image when the spotlights are pointing more-or-less straight up.

Look at this image again. See how much of Vegas is reflected in the sky.


The glint is on the "map" of the nearby hotels (the ones with uplighting) in the position of the spotlights from the Sapphire club.

It really not much different to if there was a powerful uplight in that location that was being switched on and off.
 

Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member.
I've realized we may be confused about what "intersecting" might mean.

-Does it mean two spotlight beams intersecting?

-Or does it mean a single spotlight beam "intersecting" with the point in the sky where we see the flash?
 

Easy Muffin

Senior Member
This is right next to a major airport - if a massive object with unknown intentions hovered nearby you'd think someone would have noticed and rerouted or stopped air traffic. But nothing out of the ordinary happened.

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11:26 pm, 22 Dec
Hughes Center / Paradise / Chinatown is the area in question. AAL661 is on a standard departure to the east, pilots or passengers on the right side would have got a great view and we can probably assume that more pictures and videos would have surfaced by now. (This is only one of many flights that took the same departure route that night.)

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About 30 mins later a Gulfstream grazes the area as it comes in for a landing from the north, presumably so it has a shorter taxi to the Business Aviation gates in the northwest corner of the airport.
 

Z.W. Wolf

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Beautiful. And the recent display here in Vegas was only a few miles from my home. I wish I'd seen it.

Another piece of the puzzle: How could there be ice crystals in the air when the temperature in Las Vegas at the time was well above 32 degrees F.?

Answer: It's a bit puzzling why this question has popped up so many times in various forums. The air at high altitude is much colder than the air at ground level. Common knowledge? I thought!

The layer of ice fog that was responsible for this display was clearly high above the scattered clouds. The evidence for that: this display was at the zenith (straight overhead). As explained by the material from Atmospheric Optics, only artificial light pillars at very high altitude appear at the zenith.

Even in July when the air temp is 110 degrees and the surface of black top roads can be 180 degrees here in Las Vegas, the air at 20,000 feet will be below zero.

It's not unusual to have hail storms here in the summer.
 
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Fin

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Same thing here at Niagara Falls multiple times over multiple years. Stationary mixed with moving spotlights, hitting ice pillars.

Part of the 2010 clip was featured on the "Unidentified" tv show.
- 2009 Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwYsqjP3Wj8

- 2010 Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNI6O3jkHq8

- 2012 Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFwi3lNpIKQ


Swedish guy is so interested in Niagara UFO he travels there to investigate:
Jan 2011
"Yesterday I finally did it. I've been lingering about this a long time now, but I finally succumbed to my excitement and bought the damn tickets to Niagara Falls, Canada! This place is of course a UFO hotspot at the moment, and at this moment it's actually back. Well, no activity last night, but I'm keeping my hopes up."

His Blog on the trip & investigation including some interesting photos
http://hunting-for-truth.blogspot.com
Above Top Secret thread including drama & people declaring its a solid object etc
https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread511855
 

Mick West

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Here's the Google Earth image overlay I used for the 3D match of the hotels.
https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/mufon-127504-overlay-kmz.56954/

The image is raised up above the ground, so it just gets the taller buildings. Some light sources don't make the cut. Some tall buildings don't have strong uplighting.

Draw slider to compare:

 

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Mick West

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Same event, but the other end of the strip, from Lawrence Herman




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The bright pool of light is the Bellagio fountain show. Lawrence reports it was fading on and off, and is not visible in the Sapphire Club images (it runs every 30 minutes)
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Z.W. Wolf

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So there is a video showing a reflection from the Luxor. The MGM is distinctive because it's the only hotel lit with green lights. That's a legacy from the 1990's. The original theme of the hotel was based on MGM's most iconic movie - The Wizard of Oz. The Emerald City, get it?
 

Mick West

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So there is a video showing a reflection from the Luxor.
The Luxor is notable here as, being one of the world's most powerful uplights, it's also illuminating the low clouds. None of the other lights really do that.

We also see the variable lights of the Bellagio in the David Nicoll video. The Luxor beam is visible in the low clouds, but you can't see the reflection from this angle.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/DNicoll4/videos/1752182695167650


4 Minutes :
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Stewart Kay

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Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member.

It's an interesting case. Unusual atmospheric condition, and sightings and videos by multiple people who were all convinced it was something flying in the clouds. Might be worth collecting the accounts.


Mufon 127504


Long Description of Sighting Report
It was 11:24 pm on December 22nd 2022 , I worked a booth selling merchandise at an event called Enchant held by Resort World Casino.. The event was ending, customers were passing by my booth leaving the event .. i heard a young man point to the sky and ask what is that ? He took out his phone and appeared to take pictures.. I looked outside the booth up to the sky briefly and didn't see anything .. continued to work on closing down the booth . A minute or so later more people were taking pictures someone said is that a UFO? I dropped what i was doing and walked all the way out looked up and couldn't believe what i saw..
There were 4 to 5 red bright lights ( not flashing) in a smile pattern not moving right above my head ( this is an outdoor event.. ) as I focused a little more for a very short period seconds I could see 3 corners giving it a triangle shape.. what was hindering the good pictures were the clouds that were between us and the object.. When seeing the shape... I can only describe as kinda wavy ( like the movie predator when the creature is invisible) I attempted to take a picture of this but it really is blurry only because I believe the cloud cover was creating a mist over the object. That is why the pictures get more out of focus. There definitely is a possibility the people taking pictures in the first few moments have clearer pictures.. you could tell the clouds were moving .. i am horrible at distances but it was right over the whole event .. This is a large area . Because the clouds were between the object and us I would have to say it was Las Vegas Blocks Huge! It made no sound it never moved .. There was a white light spinning like a lighthouse thru the clouds above the object . This I believe is what you are seeing in my photos that appear to be yellow. I have no idea what it was .. I figured leave it to the experts. If I had to guess in just the area I was standing at the event there were at least 30 people taking pictures and talking about it .. people would have been able to see it out side that area too there are probably more witnesses..
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I work at Sapphire Las Vegas Gentlemen's Club and several of us saw a UFO hovering over our club for an hour. It was slightly above the clouds. I saw it, my co-workers saw it, customers saw it, and people walking The Strip saw it. You can also contact me through my [link removed]. I'm a former professional wrestler. Here are some links below where you can see the craft and I talk about it in more detail.
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r/UFOs thread with 2000+ comments
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zu0xxx/ufo_above_sapphire_las_vegas/

The OP there updated his post numerous times to add more info, and towards the end was getting rather annoyed at the light pillars explanations:
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Edit 14: This must be a legit UFO because the shills have come out in full force in the comments. All of a sudden everyone is an expert on light reflecting off Ice crystals? Lol That's right up there with swamp gas. Anyway, if ice crystals is the best they could come up with, I guess I'm satisfied that nobody was able to properly debunk this one. I'm done responding to messages. Thank you again to everyone that contributed productively to this post.

Edit 15: Good morning and Merry Christmas Eve. I have received this image from someone. As of yet I have no further information on the photo and I haven't done any analysis on it.

https://i.redd.it/9s85flr8nw7a1.jpeg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Edit 16: I've been interested in ufology for decades and I've come across a vast amount of information related to sightings from all throughout history. It's amazing to me how all of a sudden at the end of 2022 how many "ice pillar" experts there are chiming in with great authority. The conspiratorial part of my brain is telling me that this is went to some counterintelligence rhetoric that's been injected into the community in an effort to muddy the waters, much like the terms "conspiracy theory" and "magic bullet" have been used for years.

Unfortunately for them, this sighting is supported in corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses & multiple video evidence submissions that totally contradict the "ice crystals reflecting off the clouds" narrative.


He's still whinging on about it.
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undertaker_2238
·1 day ago

Only thing that raises skepticism for me is why isn't there any footage from a plane since they are coming and going 24/7 In vegas? Everyone has a camera these days.

MrAnon2k17
OP1 point·23 hours ago

Maybe what you should be asking is, if these are ice crystals reflecting light over one of the brightest lit cities in the world, why is there only one cloud reflecting lights? Why isn't the entire Vegas strip lit up with light pillars? Why is this the first time that light pillars have ever been recorded in Las Vegas?
In response to your question, if this was a craft of some kind, it's not known if there were lights on top , or if it was visible from the air because of the cloud cover. Also, Vegas is completely lit up and, from the air, how would you be able to isolate any one group of lights looking down at the city? Yes, everyone has cameras, but not everyone has their phone out during a landing, and a lot of people close the window shades especially on a night time flight. Finally, maybe someone did see it, maybe someone did take a video of it, doesn't mean that they posted it. I get what you are saying, but it doesn't discount an object over the Sapphire that night.
I tried creating a new thread there about the newer video that shows South Strip hotels, but I'm new there and it was filtered. It will probably get unfiltered in another week or so.
 
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