M Bornong
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I heartily agree, cheers!!!!
Kristen Meghan, former US Air Force whistle-blower?
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I heartily agree, cheers!!!!
GregMc
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I think it's a given she has no intention of ever providing any proof of anything .
She stated as much in this message to me on facebook on Feb 8th:
She stated as much in this message to me on facebook on Feb 8th:
- Kristen Meghan: " I will say this, I know geoengineering is real. I approved the chemicals to come on base, it was my job. No one can debunk chemtrails, because it would mean I dream my 9 years in the AF. It is everyone's job to due their own research, but just this past week I was in a class about a new Illinois EPA regulation and the lead auditor even knows about it.
I do environmental samples for a living, I see all the constituents in the soil here, way above background... WAY above. I know chemtrails are real, I wish you did too.
Let me start by saying I don't speak about chemtrails for "public attention", this isn't new found "fame". I understand the folks on metabunk site think I'm new to the scene. I've been an activist for several years doing media, promoting events,, awareness, and contributing all over. The assumption I speak out against chemtrails for popularity is rediculous. I've been talking about the military involvement in geoengineering for a while, I think you believe the YouTube video you all linked was the first I spoke of it
You have know idea what I've been through a a whistleblower. After I left the USAF, I worked at the VHA. In October, I quit my job so that I could speak out, tell the truth, and publicly convey my issues with lists of our govt... and not have to hide my name.
I gather you believe my information is fabricated because I don't upload govt documents for "you".
I popped on that thread to defend my name and that I was who I said I was. I don't have thev tine nor desire to try and convince a group of people what I saw.
There are many uses for the constituents used in an industrial application, my job was to know all occupational health and environmental hazards. From shot peening, bead blasting, and few other processes use some of these materials. These were NOT the same, coded different, and not in the hangars or buildings these processes went on.
Im not going back on the metabunk site to waste my time with people who no matter what is presented them, have their mind made up. I'm a very busy person, I don't have time nor desire to argue with people who will never ubderatand.
All the assumptions made about me are funny, none of you know my whistleblower story, yet some asked me to define what a whistleblower is, because I am "not" worthy of the title, lol. "
Trigger Hippie
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Did she ever mention what her attorney advised her to do regarding going public with the evidence? She made that claim back in January.
Well, she is speaking out and certainly never misses an opportunity to publicize her name or talk about herself. I mean look what she says here. She quits her job so she could publicize her name. She came to Metabunk to defend her name. It's not about coming forth with the evidence, it's about getting her name out. The evidence is almost secondary to the issue, she has that stashed somewhere in her house, not sure where, oh no sorry... can't show it to you.
As a side note, these spell check fails are great:
"It is everyone's job to due their own research..."
"You have know idea what I've been through a a whistleblower."
George B
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What substances and concentrations and volumes. . . .????
JRBids
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I always get a chuckle when I see this one: "The assumption I speak out against chemtrails for popularity is rediculous. "
IOW "My purpose is simply to affirm others' beliefs without supplying any proof." Sounds like a preacher in the pulpit.
JRBids
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They CAN but they rarely do. I never had violent thoughts, visions or acted violently when I was on an SSRI, nor did I contemplate suicide. Neither has anyone else I know who is on an SSRI.
JRBids
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Still wading through this thread, but how much, how big were these shipments?? Enough to spray over and cloud the entire south west?
George B
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The problem with most discussions about geoengineering is the massive amounts of materials required. . . the amounts would be in the millions of tons per year because of the fall rates of any suspended aerosol in the atmosphere (upper troposphere and lower stratosphere). . . . I would bet the amounts Kristen was talking about were trivial in comparison. . . . even if a few tons at Tinker . . . and it being one location . . . you would need 100 or 1,000 Tinker AFBs to be effective at all. . . .
GregMc
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In fairness i think she mentioned she was trying to type from a phone. I can barely see my phone sometimes when my eyes are tired, let alone what I've typed on it. I've relied on Siri a few times for dictation and had pretty surreal text responses as a result.
George B
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Unlike many Chemtrail Conspiracy Advocates Kristen has the exposure and scientific training to logically process the chemtrail assumptions. . . however, I doubt she has studied Atmospheric Science and Contrail formation, persistent contrail formation and contrail induced cirrus cloud formation. . . .it is all out there but for most people it is an esoteric and difficult journey. . . she has less knowledge than she realizes and has become isolated and surrounded by people who have an agenda. . ..The problem with most discussions about geoengineering is the massive amounts of materials required. . . the amounts would be in the millions of tons per year because of the fall rates of any suspended aerosol in the upper atmosphere. . . . I would bet the amounts Kristen was talking about were trivial in comparison. . . . even if a few tons at Tinker . . . and it being one location . . . you would need 100 or 1,000 Tinker AFBs to be effective at all. . . .
F4Jock
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My grocery store contains many "poisons" in its household products aisles. I use them on a daily basis. They doubtless inhabit my premises in concentrations above that which can be achieved by atmospheric spraying yet I found that the most contributory factor in getting my health back was losing weight. I lost 40 lbs and voila, no more hypertension,high cholesterol and BPH. Didn't change a thing about my life except that I instituted portion control. On average people are living longer and more useful lives. If we are being "poisoned" how does one explain that? Problem is that with longevity comes the noticeable breakdown of various physical and mental processes. Are we perhaps fastening on these as some "evidence" of our being "poisoned?" Are we also confusing better and more early diagnostic tools with greater incidence of disease?
George B
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Yes, there is much to what you are saying. . . however, we are also in a long chronic build up of environmental toxification stretching back 300 years. . . .not to mention simply the number of people, herd animals, transportation, and manufacturing by-products, pharmaceuticals, etc. polluting the collective environment . . . fresh, pure water is almost a rare thing throughout the world. . . . hope we have the technology and policies to mitigate the coming meltdown or that longevity you were talking about will be moot. . . .
F4Jock
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Interestingly enough I can produce all the "fresh, pure water" you want. It's my business. Globally there is more than enough water to sustain our rampant overpopulation. I happen to get mine from a well but given what we know about "contamination" from such areas as common things as rock strata and native animals, "fresh, pure," untreated water is now and pretty much always has been, depending on your definition of same, largely a myth.
solrey
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Found some interesting info about OSHA violations at Robins AFB. Seems the violations were discovered by OSHA during inspections that they initiated. I think this should make it clear that Kristen is, to be polite, a bit loose with the truth... at least.
The following is more directly related to Kristen's story.
I think she's riding on the coat tails of known violations to legitimize the "whistleblower" claim in order to be the best Infowarrior she can be.
http://www.robins.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123240131External Quote:
The following is more directly related to Kristen's story.
How can she be a "whistleblower", and why would she be threatened "in writing" if OSHA had apparently initiated inspections on their own? I could not find one mention of any violations at Robins being reported by a "whistleblower".External Quote:
I think she's riding on the coat tails of known violations to legitimize the "whistleblower" claim in order to be the best Infowarrior she can be.
George B
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If you are referring to drinking water as in reverse osmosis . . . yes things can be purified at a cost . . . the majority of the world doesn't have the money or technology to accomplish the things much of the developed word takes for granted . . .
George B
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I guess it is up to her to prove based on timing and the documentation what she said is correct; however, she might have simply discovered the mitigation efforts were not effective and personnel and management were ineffective at solving the exposure problem . . .
Leifer
Senior Member.
"none of you know my whistleblower story"
....yes, that's the problem.
Everyone here kept asking her for tangible evidence/documentation....she could have helped change our minds. She could/would not provide any.
Convincing us would certainly not be a "waste of her time".....in fact it might be the most proper use of her time.
We would look at such info critically....and I think that is what she is afraid of.
Instead, she has chosen the easier route......to gain the admiration of a crowd that already believes (or is primed to believe) in what she says.....these people ask little in the way of tangible proof - they are just happy to have their biases confirmed "because someone ex-military said so".
She seeks a crowd that agrees with her, and stays away from crowds that do not.
That's no way to change the world.
F4Jock
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Not only RO but other methods of clarification, precipitation and purification, much cheaper I might add, exist. As I said, "fresh, pure water" in a "native" state is largely a myth. Let me put it to you this way: Knowing what I know you ain't gonna catch me drinking outta any "Pristine Mountain Springs!" anytime soon unless I'm in a full survival mode. As well, technology is routinely exported to those who don't have it and God knows so is the money to implement it!
David Fraser
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I find it interesting that she was involved in shady goings on within your Air Force and then when she leaves and goes to work at your VHA* she uncovers more shennanigans. She is very lucky to stumble onto so many cover ups.
*I am presume that VHA is your veterans health scheme
*I am presume that VHA is your veterans health scheme
George B
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She maybe likes drama . . . like Emergency Room personnel are bored with routine medical practice . . . they crave the excitement . . .
So when there is no drama she finds ways to create it . . .
Pete Tar
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Only if by Hollywood you mean Hallmark Daytime Special.
Georgia
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[Admin note: This post is in violation of the politeness policy, but I'm letting it stand for now as the descriptions in the post are relevant to Kristin's claims, since she seems to simply relying on her own testimony as evidence. However in generally, please try to address the claims, and not the person]
This morning I received a text message, which included a Youtube link, from a former coworker. I clicked the link and found myself starring at the face and listening to the rambling of a voice I thought I would never have to hear again in my life...a voice that loved to incestantly ramble able nothingness while the brain which controlled it thought it was so much more intelligent than those who were actually educated unlike herself who at that time was working on an online degree at a mediocre school that doesnt require a Thesis or any other form of actual research to receive a degree; a school that is known amongst military members at best as being a school where you "pay your fee, you get a B" mentality...or better known as Columbia Southern University. This voice would be the voice of a previous Robins AFB coworker, Staff Sergeant Kristen Edwards. After watching her attempt at stardom in the video I then Googled this new name she has chosen to go by and found this thread. I have read through this thread in it's entirety and have to say most of you have identified her successfully for what she is. She does not know what it means to properly cite peer reviewed research because the college she chose to educate herself through is known for not requiring proper research techniques with coursework. The Air Force Bioenvironmental Engineering school in which we attend is three months long. During that time we are taught basics with actually performing soil, air, and water sampling, noise surveying and dosimetry, radiation surveys, and basic CBRNE. From there we are then sent to our first assignments where we receive the majority of our education in the OJT capacity. In SSgt Edwards case that was England. Once all of our OJt requirements are met we take a multiple choice exam on the above items, and would then be considered eligible to receive the remainder of our OJT and additional in-residents training, which is only a two-week course. So you tell me...does that sound like a properly educated expert?
Back to SSgt Kristin Edwards...the last thing she can EVER be considered is a whistle blower, and I'm quite frankly surprised that whomever is indorsing her has not done a better job researching her allegations. SSgt Edwards only problems at Robins AFB are problems with authority and lack of integrity, and after all she said in her video about her previous location in Oklahoma as well as her civilian position with the VA, I suspect those two issues were probably similar in those workcenters. Having to work with SSgt Edwards on a daily basis proved to be daunting since she struggled to report to work on time day in and day out, failed to perform surveys in a timely manner, failed to properly communicate with supervisors of those workcenters, and failed to respect her supervision. In regards to the OSHA issue that occurred during her tenure in our office, she made an attempt to make it a larger situation then it was when she was found in an inappropriate situation in her boyfriends industrial shop, and that inappropriate situation was reported to our supervision and commander, and her boyfriends shop supervisor informed our commander that he did not want to see SSgt Edwards in his workcenter ever again...that he wanted another technician assigned to perform his workcenters surveys. As you can imagine, being caught in the act and verbally reprimanded made for an extremely unhappy SSgt Edwards, so from there she spoonfed her boyfriend with ways to try to hurt Robins AFB by educating him on the OSHA belly button that needed to be pushed to keep them coming. All said and done, it resulted in poor housekeeping by the workcenter, of which they had been previously cited by our office. When she realized she wasnt going to get the fireworks she had hoped for and had instead burnt too many bridges to have a successful Air Force Career, she opted to separate.
In an earlier comment someone questioned how an uneducated person could get such a high ranking civil service position; the VA has a couple programs for veterans who have 30% or more disability that will automatically qualify them for those positions as long as the person "tailors" their resume to match the position description. I can tell you first hand SSgt Edwards is not a qualified GS-12. She is a rockstar in her head...Einstein even...but not a GS-12, and certainly not a chemtrail expert or whistle blower. SSgt Edwards is just an ill-educated attention seeker who cries wolf the moment her curtain of lies and deceit are discovered.
This morning I received a text message, which included a Youtube link, from a former coworker. I clicked the link and found myself starring at the face and listening to the rambling of a voice I thought I would never have to hear again in my life...a voice that loved to incestantly ramble able nothingness while the brain which controlled it thought it was so much more intelligent than those who were actually educated unlike herself who at that time was working on an online degree at a mediocre school that doesnt require a Thesis or any other form of actual research to receive a degree; a school that is known amongst military members at best as being a school where you "pay your fee, you get a B" mentality...or better known as Columbia Southern University. This voice would be the voice of a previous Robins AFB coworker, Staff Sergeant Kristen Edwards. After watching her attempt at stardom in the video I then Googled this new name she has chosen to go by and found this thread. I have read through this thread in it's entirety and have to say most of you have identified her successfully for what she is. She does not know what it means to properly cite peer reviewed research because the college she chose to educate herself through is known for not requiring proper research techniques with coursework. The Air Force Bioenvironmental Engineering school in which we attend is three months long. During that time we are taught basics with actually performing soil, air, and water sampling, noise surveying and dosimetry, radiation surveys, and basic CBRNE. From there we are then sent to our first assignments where we receive the majority of our education in the OJT capacity. In SSgt Edwards case that was England. Once all of our OJt requirements are met we take a multiple choice exam on the above items, and would then be considered eligible to receive the remainder of our OJT and additional in-residents training, which is only a two-week course. So you tell me...does that sound like a properly educated expert?
Back to SSgt Kristin Edwards...the last thing she can EVER be considered is a whistle blower, and I'm quite frankly surprised that whomever is indorsing her has not done a better job researching her allegations. SSgt Edwards only problems at Robins AFB are problems with authority and lack of integrity, and after all she said in her video about her previous location in Oklahoma as well as her civilian position with the VA, I suspect those two issues were probably similar in those workcenters. Having to work with SSgt Edwards on a daily basis proved to be daunting since she struggled to report to work on time day in and day out, failed to perform surveys in a timely manner, failed to properly communicate with supervisors of those workcenters, and failed to respect her supervision. In regards to the OSHA issue that occurred during her tenure in our office, she made an attempt to make it a larger situation then it was when she was found in an inappropriate situation in her boyfriends industrial shop, and that inappropriate situation was reported to our supervision and commander, and her boyfriends shop supervisor informed our commander that he did not want to see SSgt Edwards in his workcenter ever again...that he wanted another technician assigned to perform his workcenters surveys. As you can imagine, being caught in the act and verbally reprimanded made for an extremely unhappy SSgt Edwards, so from there she spoonfed her boyfriend with ways to try to hurt Robins AFB by educating him on the OSHA belly button that needed to be pushed to keep them coming. All said and done, it resulted in poor housekeeping by the workcenter, of which they had been previously cited by our office. When she realized she wasnt going to get the fireworks she had hoped for and had instead burnt too many bridges to have a successful Air Force Career, she opted to separate.
In an earlier comment someone questioned how an uneducated person could get such a high ranking civil service position; the VA has a couple programs for veterans who have 30% or more disability that will automatically qualify them for those positions as long as the person "tailors" their resume to match the position description. I can tell you first hand SSgt Edwards is not a qualified GS-12. She is a rockstar in her head...Einstein even...but not a GS-12, and certainly not a chemtrail expert or whistle blower. SSgt Edwards is just an ill-educated attention seeker who cries wolf the moment her curtain of lies and deceit are discovered.
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justanairlinepilot
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Maybe NASA will confirm what's going on up there?
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2013/jan/HQ_13-013_Global_Hawk_ATTREX.html
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2013/jan/HQ_13-013_Global_Hawk_ATTREX.html
The problem with most discussions about geoengineering is the massive amounts of materials required. . . the amounts would be in the millions of tons per year because of the fall rates of any suspended aerosol in the atmosphere (upper troposphere and lower stratosphere). . . . I would bet the amounts Kristen was talking about were trivial in comparison. . . . even if a few tons at Tinker . . . and it being one location . . . you would need 100 or 1,000 Tinker AFBs to be effective at all. . . .
justanairlinepilot
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For about $200, I can get RO purified water with a particulate count of less than 10ppm. Very tasty water.
I installed one of these at my parents house out in a rural area of South Dakota, they had 400 PPM water (considered undrinkable), this little system gets it down to 10 ppm.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RO-DI-water...all_Kitchen_Appliances_US&hash=item33814906d7
I installed one of these at my parents house out in a rural area of South Dakota, they had 400 PPM water (considered undrinkable), this little system gets it down to 10 ppm.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RO-DI-water...all_Kitchen_Appliances_US&hash=item33814906d7
Pete Tar
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Totally missed this post for some reason. Wow, it really is a 'movie of the week'. Or maybe a soap opera arc.
That's a lot of interesting, if not very impartial, insight.
Belfrey
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Thanks for posting with your perspective, and sorry that your first post had to wait for moderator approval (it's a spam prevention measure).
George B
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Excellent project. . . .could lead to some significant discoveries on how the tropopause plays its role in climate regulation and global warming. . . also, the drones should be used instead of the the existing balloon system for atmospheric sounding. . .
Georgia
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Yes, those of us who have worked with her in the military would sway toward a Lifetime 'movie of the week' with the story line of a grown adult woman who will stop at nothing to be the center of attention.
Georgia
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I understand completely.
David Fraser
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Thanks for posting. I was wondering to myself about has to whether her past colleagues, or even gossip, would catch up with her. Thanks for the heads up on her role as it greatly helps put things into context. It sounds like the job is very similar to our Environmental Health Technician in the British Army, affectionately known as "Turd Stranglers". Your description of her work confirms how I have been thinking and I get the feeling we have not heard the last of here, but as someone said earlier she will crash and burn.
F4Jock
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You think 400 PPM TDS is undrinkable try Phoenix. Spent nine mos. there last yr. on an Intel project. 700 to 900 PPM is routine! Was going through one Zero Water D. I. Cartridge a week at my apartment. Thing is with RO the water can actually be too good. What gives us the "taste" we like are the minerals in it. I find allowing about 70 PPM TDS ideal but luckily I don't need to do this at home. My well is sweet and cool at 120 PPM. As well, trace mineral content is usually good for us unless, of course, as in AZ, arsenic happens to be one of the constituents. And no. The arsenic doesn't come from human sources!
George B
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Your testimony (Georgia) seems to dovetail almost perfectly into the scenario we have watch unfold with Kristen . . . and it does not bode well for her future fame and fortune . . . as long as she has fans and supporters she will glow with energy and confidence. . . . weaving together more unrelated, supposed evidence to feed her new flock of well wishers . . . soon however, this too will fail . . . it is just a matter of time . . . The higher she rises the harder she will fall. . ..
Jay Reynolds
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This is what I would call whistleblowing.....
Thanks to Mick for making metabunk postings easily accessible to the general public.
Trigger Hippie
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Hi Georgia, that's a hell of a post and it seems to fall in line with what most had already concluded.
I'd like to move away from her backstory, and focus on her allegations. Is there anything you can add to help debunk (or clarify) some the chemtrail claims she's alluded to in this thread? Most were vague and somewhat evasive. She mentioned chemicals entering airbases that where not labelled correctly... she apparently saw "processes" on airfields that were related to chemtrailing... do you know what she is talking about?
Tree and plant discussion moved to:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/1379-Tree-and-other-plant-problems-as-evidence-for-chemtrails
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/1379-Tree-and-other-plant-problems-as-evidence-for-chemtrails
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George B
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In the stratosphere OK but in the Troposphere (ground level ) not so good. . .
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