JFK Magic Bullet Theory

Boston

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I've always been really curious about this one, that magic bullet theory just seems to wildly imposible it single handedly seems to have kicked off decades of speculation about what might have really happened. Again the gubment story just seems to incredibly implausible

what was it again ? a bullet that had passed through multiple people at a variety of angles, shattering multiple bones somehow, just fell out of the air onto a gurney conveniently to be found by investigators ? in pristine condition ?


I remain skeptical of the official gubment story
 

Mick West

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I've always been really curious about this one, that magic bullet theory just seems to wildly imposible it single handedly seems to have kicked off decades of speculation about what might have really happened. Again the gubment story just seems to incredibly implausible

what was it again ? a bullet that had passed through multiple people at a variety of angles, shattering multiple bones somehow, just fell out of the air onto a gurney conveniently to be found by investigators ? in pristine condition ?


I remain skeptical of the official gubment story

But experiments show it's quite plausible.
 
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Mick West

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Looks very likely, doesn't it.

Well yes, the head shot was the second shot to hit him, I don't think there's really any disagreement there.

Wiki page on this isn't bad, actually. Here's a bit:

Yeah, the JFK conpiracy theory is very popular. Oliver Stone is largely responsible for that. The plainer fact are still in there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy#Shooting_in_Dealey_Plaza
But this thread is about the head shot. Feel free to start another on the Single Bullet Theory.
 

Boston

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But experiments show it's quite plausible.

nah your arguing two different things, I agreed that its possible for a melon struck with the right kind of bullet to move toward the direction of the bullets origin. I disagree that a bullet is likely to pass through multiple bodies in multiple tragectories striking and shattering numerous bones with several exit wounds required to then fall out of the gurney into investigators hands, in pristine condition.

I've done more than my share of shooting and its all about the type bullet used and its muzzle velocity in order to achieve that kinda effect. The fact that one aspect of the motion observed in the Kennedy assassination is explicable under "some" circumstances, does not negate the rest of the questions concerning events of that day.

Again I may not know what did happen that day, but we can be pretty sure of what didn't

What your quoting from the warren report became known as the magic bullet theory due to its wildly unbelievable nature to those who have some knowledge of ballistics
 

Mick West

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What your quoting from the warren report became known as the magic bullet theory due to its wildly unbelievable nature to those who have some knowledge of ballistics

Did you not watch the video where it was essentially recreated?
 

Grieves

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"According to the single-bullet theory, a three-centimeter (1.2")-long copper-jacketed lead-core 6.5-millimeter rifle bullet fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository passed through President Kennedy’s neck and Governor Connally’s chest and wrist and embedded itself in the Governor’s thigh. If so, this bullet traversed 15 layers of clothing, 7 layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone. The bullet was found on a gurney in the corridor at the Parkland Memorial Hospital, in Dallas, after the assassination."

What bearing does a bullet passing through bloodless, naked, armless, legless, stationary dummies to strike a rubbery cushion have on the above scenario? All that aside, they clearly didn't manage to reproduce the 'magic bullet' effect at all. Didn't even seem to get close beyond simulating the trajectory. Their excuse is hitting two 'ribs' (made of what?) instead of one, but go on to suggest that somehow doesn't botch their already less than accurate 'simulation'. And what the he'll is the story with this "wrist bar?"
 

Mick West

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What bearing does a bullet passing through bloodless, naked, armless, legless, stationary dummies to strike a rubbery cushion have on the above scenario? All that aside, they clearly didn't manage to reproduce the 'magic bullet' effect at all. Didn't even seem to get close beyond simulating the trajectory. Their excuse is hitting two 'ribs' (made of what?) instead of one, but go on to suggest that somehow doesn't botch their already less than accurate 'simulation'. And what the he'll is the story with this "wrist bar?"

They use the closest thing you can get to a human short of a cadaver. A human analog. The ribs are actual human ribs.

The "rubbery cushion" is a material with the same consistency as human flesh and skin, with a set of wrist bones embedded in it.

See the first video for more details.
 

Oxymoron

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I don't get it. The 'magic bullet went into Kennedy's neck, exited his throat. This bullet went in his back and exited his chest and then into Connolly's back, all in a straight line. Magic? Plus it was massively deformed, didn't shatter wrist bone, (bounced off) and bounced off the thigh block.
 

Grieves

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Why weren't the dummies clothed, and why wasn't the neck-tie factored in? How was this 'wrist board' positioned? Why weren't the dummies complete, and positioned in sits, as opposed to torsos propped up on boards? This scenario seems to bear all the accuracy of a pilot episode of myth busters,and as oxy points out there's a fundamental flaw in the positioning of the wound.
 
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Boston

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Mick I don't think we're on the same page, I'm "not" talking about the head shot forcing the head to move in a counter intuitive direction
 

Boston

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What bearing does a bullet passing through bloodless, naked, armless, legless, stationary dummies to strike a rubbery cushion have on the above scenario? All that aside, they clearly didn't manage to reproduce the 'magic bullet' effect at all. Didn't even seem to get close beyond simulating the trajectory. Their excuse is hitting two 'ribs' (made of what?) instead of one, but go on to suggest that somehow doesn't botch their already less than accurate 'simulation'. And what the he'll is the story with this "wrist bar?"

I'd say it has no bearing at all. But it does seem typical to offer irrelevant and unrelated recreations in an effort to support various government positions. I even saw one recreation where they used dead pigs to try and recreate the scene. Naturally it didn't work at all, but never the less people still trotted it out as proving that bullets change direction going through a body. As if we all didn't know that already. The trick with the magic bullet theory if I remember it correctly is its gotta make a u turn at some point in mid air no less but still maintain enough kinetic energy to continue on into more flesh and break more bone. Its been a while since I've seen the diagram of just how the flight path translates into real life, and if I remember the Warren report specifically left out this diagram due to its overwhelmingly ridiculous nature. I could be mistaken about that diagram not being in the Warren report but if I remember it was one of the bitches at the time. That they deliberately excluded it from the original report.

In any case I do remember the years of controversy that erupted after the report was publicized and how pretty much nobody believed it.
 
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Melbury's Brick

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I don't get it. The 'magic bullet went into Kennedy's neck, exited his throat. This bullet went in his back and exited his chest and then into Connolly's back, all in a straight line. Magic? Plus it was massively deformed, didn't shatter wrist bone, (bounced off) and bounced off the thigh block.
It's obvious that an exact copy of the incident cannot be made. Even if you repeatedly went back in time to Dealey Plaza and fired the same shot a thousand times, you would not produce two identical results. The video demonstrates that it is quite plausible that the shot/bullet behaved the way that it is believed that it did on the day. There is no evidence of similar quality that demonstrates that it could not have happened that way.
 

Grieves

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The video demonstrates that it is quite plausible that the shot/bullet behaved the way that it is believed that it did on the day. There is no evidence of similar quality that demonstrates that it could not have happened that way.
These guys didn't even get the initial entry wound in the right position. They clearly selected their target-area, and it had no relation to where kennedy was shot. This 'demonstration' isn't remotely valid for that reason alone. They completely altered the parameters to suit their predetermined outcome, and even given that their outcome didn't come remotely close to reproducing the 'magic bulet'. That they claim otherwise makes it pretty clear these guys are full of it. Can you explain to me how in the world this experiment validates the magic bullet theory, other than the fact the narrative voice over says it does?
 

Oxymoron

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These guys didn't even get the initial entry wound in the right position. They clearly selected their target-area, and it had no relation to where kennedy was shot. This 'demonstration' isn't remotely valid for that reason alone. They completely altered the parameters to suit their predetermined outcome, and even given that their outcome didn't come remotely close to reproducing the 'magic bulet'. That they claim otherwise makes it pretty clear these guys are full of it. Can you explain to me how in the world this experiment validates the magic bullet theory, other than the fact the narrative voice over says it does?
To be fair... They possibly didn't even know where the bullet went in as Gerald Ford changed the description of the entry wound. :rolleyes: but that would be really bad science not to check your entry wound location wouldn't it?

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n1/lonenutter.html


 
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Melbury's Brick

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These guys didn't even get the initial entry wound in the right position. They clearly selected their target-area, and it had no relation to where kennedy was shot. This 'demonstration' isn't remotely valid for that reason alone. They completely altered the parameters to suit their predetermined outcome, and even given that their outcome didn't come remotely close to reproducing the 'magic bulet'. That they claim otherwise makes it pretty clear these guys are full of it. Can you explain to me how in the world this experiment validates the magic bullet theory, other than the fact the narrative voice over says it does?
It doesn't. It validates the "single bullet". The "magic bullet" is terminology used by conspiracy theorists. This experiment demonstrates that the bullet could have caused the damage that it is reported to have done.

These guys didn't even get the initial entry wound in the right position.

You offer this without explanation therefore I guess you could say that it "isn't remotely valid for that reason alone". In what way do you think they got the entry wound wrong? To what degree? What are the parameters/ramifications for any change in the accuracy of this demonstration? How could this confirm that the single bullet theory is implausible?

As I pointed out in reply to Oxymoron's post, it is impossible to exactly recreate the incident. The point is....is the single bullet theory plausible? In my opinion the answer is, yes. In order to contradict this conclusion, evidence that it could not have happened in this way is essential. do you have such evidence?
 

Oxymoron

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It doesn't. It validates the "single bullet". The "magic bullet" is terminology used by conspiracy theorists. This experiment demonstrates that the bullet could have caused the damage that it is reported to have done.



You offer this without explanation therefore I guess you could say that it "isn't remotely valid for that reason alone". In what way do you think they got the entry wound wrong? To what degree? What are the parameters/ramifications for any change in the accuracy of this demonstration? How could this confirm that the single bullet theory is implausible?

As I pointed out in reply to Oxymoron's post, it is impossible to exactly recreate the incident. The point is....is the single bullet theory plausible? In my opinion the answer is, yes. In order to contradict this conclusion, evidence that it could not have happened in this way is essential. do you have such evidence?
Then why bother? They have demonstrated nothing new, simply that a bullet can travel in a straight line through one body and into another. I think they 'proved' exactly what they wanted to 'prove'.

They did not get the bullet to exit Kennedy's neck as in reality but 'their' bullet exited his chest. This fact was completely ignored... that is not science, that is propaganda designed to mislead the uninformed. Will you please acknowledge this point.

Now I do not subscribe to this trajectory theory shown below as I believe the bullet impacted in the neck area and not the back, but going from Ford's amendment it would be accurate. Ergo, it is only 'bogus' in the sense that the entry wound is inaccurate, (and who's fault is that?).

NB It is no accident or error that the bullet struck the back as that is where they put the mark/target. If they wanted accuracy, why did they not mark/target the neck?

https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/mcadams.posc.mu.edu_bogus3.gif

 
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Mick West

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You know, there's a vast body of literature on this topic. It seems a bit of a waste of time to rehash it here.

Oxy, perhaps as an exercise you could at least give the actual official story about the path of the bullet. Because the above diagram is not it.
 

Oxymoron

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You know, there's a vast body of literature on this topic. It seems a bit of a waste of time to rehash it here.

Oxy, perhaps as an exercise you could at least give the actual official story about the path of the bullet. Because the above diagram is not it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory



 
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