Jake Barber tells Ross Coulthart about non-human technology - The "Egg"

a former member of a crash retrieval team

I don't doubt his service credentials...but the phrase ' all jumping on the bandwaggon' springs to mind. Excuse my extreme cynicism, but all these 'former' US forces people gotta now make a living in civvy street. Well, a book on their experiences chasing UFOs, and then doing the lecture circuit like Lue Elizondo and the former Colonel Halt ( of Rendlesham ) and others.....what a great way of earning a few extra dollars.
 
I'm not so eager to jump to "hoax" as some of you. I think it's probably an object that is roughly the size it's claimed to be, being carried by a helicopter. I think there's just not enough information in the video to determine what the object is... which, as we all know, is a common theme.

Did anyone research bouys? this literally just popped into my head, it may have already been mentioned.

EDIT: these are quite small (relatively), but maybe there's larger ones? The object in the video could also be something custom made.
https://polyformus.com/products/cc-series-mooring-buoys-cc-4?option1=White&option2=Single Product
 
Where's the downwash?
I can't confirm this, but I would imagine downwash from a helicopter that's 100-150ft up would be minimal enough to not disturb the ground beneath. But it depends on the ground, right? Is there anything there to be visually disturbed? Hard to tell from the video.
 
I'm not so eager to jump to "hoax" as some of you.
Just speaking for myself, I don't think I'm jumping to hoax, but it seems "off" enough to me that the idea that it MIGHT be a hoax needs to be explored.

If such exploration shows definitively that it in fact IS a hoax (possible but maybe not likely) then we'd be done. Alternatively, it may well be something real, relatively large, and being toted under an actual helicopter. Trying to figure out what it might be in that scenario is also worth pursuing, and if it were somehow possible to nail down what it is (and if that is not an alien spaceship), then we'd be pretty much done, too.
 
I can't confirm this, but I would imagine downwash from a helicopter that's 100-150ft up would be minimal enough to not disturb the ground beneath. But it depends on the ground, right? Is there anything there to be visually disturbed? Hard to tell from the video.
If you read the thread we found a lot of reference footage that indicates rotorwash would be minimal from the claimed height.
 
i guess sand is less visible under nightvision maybe but that doesnt explain the other shrubs not moving at all unless its a dry cracked flatbed maybe.
I was at a hoax, using a micro quadcopter carrying a boiled egg but this guys video on youtube made me think twice, reason being he did a side by side video of his pretty good attempt at recreating and the original video, and i think its persuaded me that the scale of the original is correct and large compared to his egg on a string..
The side by side is at 17:30


Source: https://youtu.be/LfUrO-mIUb4?si=wHvb-eLJglGRxc8I
 
Following the fishing rod, egg-shaped object and carpet hypothesis, it is possible the footage was reversed, and then slowed down to make the object seem bulkier than it is.

The original footage could be the object being lifted by reeling in the fishing line and moving the rod. The person would be operating from an elevated position. The object rolls because the tip of the rod is offset, the line is being tensioned, and there could be a lead weight on the fishing line (@jarlrmai post #270). As the line is reeled in, the object rolls towards the lead weight (or is just a knot) and eventually is lifted off the carpet. Because the lead weight candidate seems quite small, then the object would probably be hollow, possibly a bobber similar to the ones in post #55.

The footage seems to have been trimmed to start once the object is rolling before reversing the video, maybe because the rod was moved away from the object to tension the line and set the object into motion before reeling in, and that would give away that it is a rod and not a rope or cable. That would also add to the noticeable vibration of the tip.

I have reversed the section of the video that was not slowed down by NewsNation and sped it up 4x:



I also have reversed and sped up 4x the stabilised footage from @Mick West post #78:

 
Following the fishing rod, egg-shaped object and carpet hypothesis, it is possible the footage was reversed, and then slowed down to make the object seem bulkier than it is.

The original footage could be the object being lifted by reeling in the fishing line and moving the rod. The person would be operating from an elevated position. The object rolls because the tip of the rod is offset, the line is being tensioned, and there could be a lead weight on the fishing line (@jarlrmai post #270). As the line is reeled in, the object rolls towards the lead weight (or is just a knot) and eventually is lifted off the carpet. Because the lead weight candidate seems quite small, then the object would probably be hollow, possibly a bobber similar to the ones in post #55.

The footage seems to have been trimmed to start once the object is rolling before reversing the video, maybe because the rod was moved away from the object to tension the line and set the object into motion before reeling in, and that would give away that it is a rod and not a rope or cable. That would also add to the noticeable vibration of the tip.

I have reversed the section of the video that was not slowed down by NewsNation and sped it up 4x:

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I also have reversed and sped up 4x the stabilised footage from @Mick West post #78:

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That looks surprisingly convincing. Though I do wonder what a real video of a line lift would look if you gave it the same treatment, would it look similarly miniature/small scale?
 
I can't confirm this, but I would imagine downwash from a helicopter that's 100-150ft up would be minimal enough to not disturb the ground beneath. But it depends on the ground, right? Is there anything there to be visually disturbed? Hard to tell from the video.
Edwards Air Force Base has been mentioned, although we don't know exactly where it is. Here's a shot of the terrain nearby. It's desert with small stiff shrubs; there's nothing for probably hundreds of miles around that resembles the kind of long grass that would conspicuously blow around in the downwash, even if it were not 150 feet away.
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The object rolls because the tip of the rod is offset, the line is being tensioned
Possibly, but assuming for the moment it is NOT reversed, the "egg" does seem to be moving laterally in relation to the "ground" when contact occurs -- if so, momentum may be all that is needed to explain why it rolls.

Why you would lower a immensely valuable retrieved UFO (or anything else even slightly valuable) so carelessly is an interesting question... perhaps this is somebody practicing/training how to put a payload on the ground who is not good at it yet? Anybody know if there is a "practice payload" that might be used in such situations, for training, that is egg-shaped?
 
Some things to think about in terms of fakes:

1. Could be reversed video, as @john.phil has shown. That looks pretty convincing.
2. Adding some amount of stabilization
Following the fishing rod, egg-shaped object and carpet hypothesis, it is possible the footage was reversed, and then slowed down to make the object seem bulkier than it is.

'Slowing it down' would be much better done by overcranking the camera-- e.g.: filming at 60 FPS and then playing back at 30 FPS. This is a technique commonly used in miniature VFX to make small models, explosions, etc. appear larger without making it obvious with a reduced frame rate.

The reversed video idea is amazing but, after scrubbing back and forth a bunch of times, I personally don't think it's reversed. You can see that the very thin lines/ropes connecting the egg to the thicker line are slack while the egg is moving.

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The whole tether then sort of appears to be magically attracted to the egg with no clear impetus. The reversed footage looks like reversed footage to me :)
 
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Edwards Air Force Base has been mentioned, although we don't know exactly where it is. Here's a shot of the terrain nearby. It's desert with small stiff shrubs; there's nothing for probably hundreds of miles around that resembles the kind of long grass that would conspicuously blow around in the downwash, even if it were not 150 feet away.
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Yes. But there is brush and shrubs and vegetation of the desert type. IF the egg is ~20' then a quick glance would suggest the horizontal viewing area somewhere between 60'-100' right? Surly we would see some vegetation if they were operating in an area anything like this.

There are areas with no vegetation, but usually it's sand or a dry lakebed with cracked earth like this:


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Still not sure what the ground is in the video.
 
Just saying....

At 4:58 PST:



And:

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It's that easy.

And can we assume that as this video being publicly shown, it's not classified? So, whatever is dangling below the chopper is also not classified?

That video is green, which suggests its actually infra red or night vision, in which case is the claim that the object is 'white' actually correct, as I can think of something that exactly matches the shape and size of the 'egg'......the body of this chopper. It's an MH-6, used by the US Army for special ops.

Obviously one would have to 'lose' the rest of the craft....but its does somewhat dent the claim that nothing of that shape and size possibly exists in forces inventory. Perhaps there was a crash and the egg shaped body part got separated and is simply being moved away from the crash location. After all...the guy making the claim says that retrieving crashes was his job !

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You can see that the very thin lines/ropes connecting the egg to the thicker line are slack while the egg is moving.
In the reversed video hypothesis, I'm suggesting the object was put into motion before reeling in the line (maybe by accident by moving the tip of the rod too far left), then the video was trimmed to start with the object already in motion before reversing the video.
 
The amazing thing about this video is that three days later there's still nothing about it that's not ambiguous. Provenance, camera type, vision type, helicopter or not helicopter, cable or not cable, Berber rug or desert terrain... chicken egg or duck egg.

Believers just have to roll with it.
 
The amazing thing about this video is that three days later there's still nothing about it that's not ambiguous. Provenance, camera type, vision type, helicopter or not helicopter, cable or not cable, Berber rug or desert terrain... chicken egg or duck egg.

Believers just have to roll with it.
The part that is most surprising to me is that we haven't made progress on the sling. To me, that's the most potentially identifiable piece of the video. I've scoured the interwebs and I can't find anything close to that.
 
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Following the fishing rod, egg-shaped object and carpet hypothesis, it is possible the footage was reversed, and then slowed down to make the object seem bulkier than it is.

The original footage could be the object being lifted by reeling in the fishing line and moving the rod. The person would be operating from an elevated position. The object rolls because the tip of the rod is offset, the line is being tensioned, and there could be a lead weight on the fishing line (@jarlrmai post #270). As the line is reeled in, the object rolls towards the lead weight (or is just a knot) and eventually is lifted off the carpet. Because the lead weight candidate seems quite small, then the object would probably be hollow, possibly a bobber similar to the ones in post #55.

The footage seems to have been trimmed to start once the object is rolling before reversing the video, maybe because the rod was moved away from the object to tension the line and set the object into motion before reeling in, and that would give away that it is a rod and not a rope or cable. That would also add to the noticeable vibration of the tip.

I have reversed the section of the video that was not slowed down by NewsNation and sped it up 4x:

View attachment 76300

I also have reversed and sped up 4x the stabilised footage from @Mick West post #78:

View attachment 76301
I'm not buying the reversed version. Looks too unnatural to me. Plus, the part where the cable attaches to the sling, why would that be almost on the ground to start. That seems odd. Also, right before the egg is picked up, the "thin" part of the line swings back to the right - why? The whole movement of the "thin" line looks very unnatural to me.
 
...Why you would lower a immensely valuable retrieved UFO (or anything else even slightly valuable) so carelessly is an interesting question...
Yes, a number of posters have mentioned that in different ways,
and I add my name to the list. It seems nonsensical on it's face.

Perhaps even more bizarre is that many headlines hyping this story, are worded in a way
that suggests that there is actually a full on "program" to retrieve all these damned UFOs!
I'm glad it's not tax dollars, because I wasn't aware of even one, ever!!

Air Force veteran saw alien, 'nonhuman' egg-shaped aircraft
while working for secret UFO retrieval program: report

https://nypost.com/2025/01/16/us-ne...ien-with-secret-ufo-retrieval-program-report/


p.s.: I realize that Barber claims that he personally retrieved both boring normal and fancy non-human crashes,
so is this alleged "secret UFO retrieval program"
from somewhere else in his interview...or just sloppy(er) reporting?
 
The part that is most surprising to me is that we haven't made progress on the sling. To me, that's the most potentially identifiable piece of the video. I've scoured the interwebs and I can't find anything close to that.

The part that is most surprising to me is that nobody here has come up with any alternative full-scale items that are egg-shaped and smooth. While I don't think it's necessary in principle to come up with the exact item in order to debunk an "NHI egg-shaped craft with no visible means of propulsion" video, the non-egg-shaped items on offer don't help with a debunk except to drive us closer to a conclusion that it's an NHI egg-shaped craft with no visible means of propulsion or an egg.

To me, nothing about the video (including its length and provenance) doesn't look like a real egg and a small-scale model set-up.
 
Possibly, but assuming for the moment it is NOT reversed, the "egg" does seem to be moving laterally in relation to the "ground" when contact occurs -- if so, momentum may be all that is needed to explain why it rolls.

Why you would lower a immensely valuable retrieved UFO (or anything else even slightly valuable) so carelessly is an interesting question... perhaps this is somebody practicing/training how to put a payload on the ground who is not good at it yet? Anybody know if there is a "practice payload" that might be used in such situations, for training, that is egg-shaped?

One might also ask...given that the 'egg' is supposedly non-human and thus nobody knows its composition or what it weighs, why would one send out one rather puny little helicopter for an object allegedly '20 feet across' ( which is pretty big for a small helicopter ) with no idea whether it can actually lift the object ?

Or do UFO crash retrieval teams have someone who sticks their finger in the wind and goes ' I sense that it weighs 5 tons ' ? Or maybe they get its weight using the 'psionics' that the Coulthart report refers to.
 
The part that is most surprising to me is that nobody here has come up with any alternative full-scale items that are egg-shaped and smooth

Well I have. See the MH-6 helicopter above. It's passenger/pilot compartment is perfectly egg shaped and perfectly matches the dimensions of the 'egg'. All we then need assume is that one of them crashed, was disassembled...and our 'crash recovery pilot' is recovering an 'egg shaped object' from a crash site. Hey Presto ! Mystery 'egg shaped object' resolved.

We can even explain that the 'egg' isn't actually white...but is quite reflective and merely appears so in the green night vision being used.
 
Well I have. See the MH-6 helicopter above. It's passenger/pilot compartment is perfectly egg shaped and perfectly matches the dimensions of the 'egg'. All we then need assume is that one of them crashed, was disassembled...and our 'crash recovery pilot' is recovering an 'egg shaped object' from a crash site. Hey Presto ! Mystery 'egg shaped object' resolved.

Also,
The egg shaped object looks like the radome connected to the bottom of a US military JLENS spy blimp.
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Perhaps even more bizarre is that many headlines hyping this story, are worded in a way
that suggests that there is actually a full on "program" to retrieve all these damned UFOs!
I'm glad it's not tax dollars, because I wasn't aware of even one, ever!!

Air Force veteran saw alien, 'nonhuman' egg-shaped aircraft
while working for secret UFO retrieval program: report

As he clearly never saw it fly, how does the guy even know it is or ever was an 'aircraft' ? The crash retrieval guy himself says that his sole job was to go pick up stuff and move it somewhere else. So he arrives and there's an 'egg shaped object' on the ground. How does he know this object ever flew ? Why is he trying to work out 'how it flies' when there absolutely no indication it ever did !
 
The part that is most surprising to me is that nobody here has come up with any alternative full-scale items that are egg-shaped and smooth.
Is it actually egg shaped though? When it rolls on its side, it changes apparent shape. Either it's really squishy or it's taller than it is wide. It *appears* egg shaped maybe because there is no detail.

One reasonable interpretation is that it's a big bag of something heavy, and when the straps stop exerting pressure on it, it settles into a different shape. Maybe.

Either that, or it's not actually a regular egg shape, since this seems to happen when it rolls to the right.

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Well I have. See the MH-6 helicopter above. It's passenger/pilot compartment is perfectly egg shaped and perfectly matches the dimensions of the 'egg'. All we then need assume is that one of them crashed, was disassembled...and our 'crash recovery pilot' is recovering an 'egg shaped object' from a crash site. Hey Presto ! Mystery 'egg shaped object' resolved.
Not convinced this is a probably explanation, but I did find the following photo. It shows a roughly similar crew station (but different type helicopter than the Little Bird) can/did survive a substantial crash relatively intact. Removing the damaged boom/rail rotor assembly and landing skids for ease of transport wouldn't be an unreasonable assumption.
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However, is this system exclusive to the Bell V-280 or other military aircraft? Barber claims to have left the Airforce and was flying as a contractor for a private company that may not have had access to V-280s, other military aircraft or the systems.
I haven't been able to find a mention of one yet. there's a line item in a darpa report about a feasibility study on landing cameras ir/ night vision from 2008 named PE 0603739E, but it's not close enough.
 
Well I have. See the MH-6 helicopter above. It's passenger/pilot compartment is perfectly egg shaped and perfectly matches the dimensions of the 'egg'. All we then need assume is that one of them crashed, was disassembled...and our 'crash recovery pilot' is recovering an 'egg shaped object' from a crash site. Hey Presto ! Mystery 'egg shaped object' resolved.

We can even explain that the 'egg' isn't actually white...but is quite reflective and merely appears so in the green night vision being used.
It's not perfectly egg shaped (by that I mean: the shape of an egg) and it has windows in it.
 
Is it actually egg shaped though? When it rolls on its side, it changes apparent shape. Either it's really squishy or it's taller than it is wide. It *appears* egg shaped maybe because there is no detail.

One reasonable interpretation is that it's a big bag of something heavy, and when the straps stop exerting pressure on it, it settles into a different shape. Maybe.

Either that, or it's not actually a regular egg shape, since this seems to happen when it rolls to the right.

A soft-boiled egg might change shape like that. When I describe it as egg shaped, I mean it's a smooth oval with one end slightly blunter than the other.
 
Hay bales are too small but the plastic shrink wrap is interesting
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Seems like the wrap is used regularly for transporting just about anything, including helicopters
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Using it to secure the various parts of a crashed craft makes sense. The MH-6 has a nice shape but I don't think they would remove the entire engine driveshaft and tail for transport. Also I suspect it's too small?

There are likely many industrial parts that could have been egg shaped and wrapped for transport. From 150ft (assuming not a small scale hoax) the wrapped surface would look smooth like we see in the video. Some random possible examples
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I'm including a couple more eggcellent designs for fun
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If you read the thread we found a lot of reference footage that indicates rotorwash would be minimal from the claimed height.
A lot? I only remember the one which was a very wide angle shot, which would of course lose a lot of detail. (Minus0's post #65 https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ja...on-human-technology-the-egg.13949/post-333700 back on page 2)
This model implies that 60mk/h winds might be generatable, and that should be able to move the slackened straps:
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A typical rule of thumb requires a distance of 2 to 3 times the rotor diameter, from the rotor hub to allow the downwash velocity to dissipate to acceptable levels. The calculated downwash velocities for a helicopter with a 22m rotor diameter with a mass of 13t and 18t is shown in Figure 3 where it can be seen that the 80km/h wind velocities are exceeded at up to 40m from the rotor diameter (this would require an 80m wide corridor).
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https://jjryan.com.au/helicopter-rotor-downwash-excessive-wind-fod-and-brownouts-what-are-the-risks/
 
A lot? I only remember the one which was a very wide angle shot, which would of course lose a lot of detail. (Minus0's post #65 https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ja...on-human-technology-the-egg.13949/post-333700 back on page 2)
This model implies that 60mk/h winds might be generatable, and that should be able to move the slackened straps:
External Quote:
A typical rule of thumb requires a distance of 2 to 3 times the rotor diameter, from the rotor hub to allow the downwash velocity to dissipate to acceptable levels. The calculated downwash velocities for a helicopter with a 22m rotor diameter with a mass of 13t and 18t is shown in Figure 3 where it can be seen that the 80km/h wind velocities are exceeded at up to 40m from the rotor diameter (this would require an 80m wide corridor).
Downwash-3-1536x519.png
https://jjryan.com.au/helicopter-rotor-downwash-excessive-wind-fod-and-brownouts-what-are-the-risks/

Source: https://youtu.be/EayV6oxd714?t=299

In this video you don't seem to see much movement from the vegetation.
 
Perhaps even more bizarre is that many headlines hyping this story, are worded in a way
that suggests that there is actually a full on "program" to retrieve all these damned UFOs!
I'm glad it's not tax dollars, because I wasn't aware of even one, ever!!

Air Force veteran saw alien, 'nonhuman' egg-shaped aircraft
while working for secret UFO retrieval program: report
To be precise, Barber does not say in the YouTube interview that he transported an egg-shaped aircraft. Only Coulthart does, but not clearly, because he only says "craft" in the direct context of Barber's description. I'm not a native speaker - can't "craft" mean something like "artifact"?
I'm referring to the section at about 10:39:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ja...on-human-technology-the-egg.13949/post-333737
 
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