Jake Barber tells Ross Coulthart about non-human technology - The "Egg"

[DavidB66]

Aside from other things like the bizarre "terrain", the out of focus foreground object seems to totally betray any sense of scale. It looks exactly like what you'd expect if a smaller rod was very close to the camera, not a larger line hanging from a helicopter - and none of the other video examples listed here show anything similar.

I agree. Are we sure that the video is not just an attempt at 'reconstruction' of the kind often found in TV shows, without being labelled as such? This would conflict with what Coulthart says about getting the video from an anonymous source, but even without questioning his honesty (!) there might be room for misunderstanding.

 

[Indi]

What do you mean by main FLIR camera?

Something like this I suppose:

"The Apache Arrowhead (also Modernized Target Acquisition and Designation Sight/Pilot Night Vision Sensor or M-TADS/PNVS), is an integrated targeting and night vision system developed by Lockheed Martin for the Boeing AH-64 Apache attack helicopter. It uses second-generation long-wave Forward looking infrared (FLIR) sensors with three fields of view, a charge-coupled device TV camera, dual field of view pilotage FLIR, electronic zoom, target tracker and auto-boresight.": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Arrowhead

I don't claim to be an expert on these things. If you are, feel free to explain.

 

[Matt33]

getting the video from an anonymous source

He doesn't say that.
"Newsnation has independently obtained previously unseen video, obtained from a secret UAP craft retrieval program.
This extraordinary footage clearly shows an egg shaped object dangling in a sling below the belly of a helicopter."
At another time in the news video the narrator says, "The source of the footage putting themselves at incredible risk to record this UAP retrieval." Yeah, probably by leaning out of the window.
This is all deliberately unclear, ambiguous and misleading.

 

[jarlrmai]

Something like this I suppose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Arrowhead

I don't claim to be an expert on these things. If you are, feel free to explain rather than asking loaded questions.

You said

They aren't using a camera attached to the actual line that will drop down onto terrain when the cable does, as in this video. So you wouldn't expect that erratic rotation of the camera.

The problem with this statement is it seems unlikely your normal military aircraft targeting camera pod (ATFLIR on F/18, Arrowhead on Apache) would be capable of providing this FOV (right next to the hook pointing down) and those systems normally have overlays.

So I wondered if you were aware of any specific night vision line lift cockpit camera systems used for Military cargo, or any insight on how nighttime linelift operations are handled (maybe pilot NVGs)

 

[Nemon]

Just to add another idea to the gallery of look-a-likes:

Egg-shaped LPG gas tanks/Horton spheres haven't been mentioned yet? The shape and size of the upper model could be a match, couldn't it?

https://www.sparkengineers.org/horton-sphere.html

 

[fizzBuzz]

Just to add another idea to the gallery of look-a-likes:

Egg-shaped LPG gas tanks/Horton spheres haven't been mentioned yet? The shape and size of the upper model could be a match, couldn't it?

https://www.sparkengineers.org/horton-sphere.html

The legs are part of the tank though. I don't think you would see them separated. Also, tanks have a lot of fixtures on them (flanged inlets, outlets, etc). From what we can see in the video, the object has zero other features than just "egg-shaped".

 

[Nemon]

The legs are part of the tank though. I don't think you would see them separated. Also, tanks have a lot of fixtures on them (flanged inlets, outlets, etc). From what we can see in the video, the object has zero other features than just "egg-shaped".

I think the legs are welded to the tank afterwards. Yet I have to admit the object in the video rather has an asymmetrical egg shape.

 

[PublicStranger]

I think the legs are welded to the tank afterwards. Yet I have to admit the object in the video rather has an asymmetrical egg shape.

I'm not sure how much one of those tanks weigh but it surely has to be way more than the carrying capacity of a helicopter.

 

[Duke]

Just to add another idea to the gallery of look-a-likes:

Egg-shaped LPG gas tanks/Horton spheres haven't been mentioned yet? The shape and size of the upper model could be a match, couldn't it?

https://www.sparkengineers.org/horton-sphere.html

Shapes look similar, but not sure about the ability of various helo types to deal with the size and weight of lifting those tanks pictured. Unfortunately the Sparks Engineers link you provided does not give dimensions or weights, nor do I see anything in either photo that could serve as a basis for scaling. Also suppose there are smaller, similarly shapes tanks where size/weight would be less of an issue.

Looking at that second tank photo reminded me of the "Futuro Home," commonly known as the "flying saucer house," that was something of a rage back in 70s. Ironically, there are still a few of them in my area. Not saying/implying a Futuro was what's shown in Coulthart's video, just that I was reminded of them after looking at your tank example.

 

[Nemon]

Shapes look similar, but not sure about the ability of various helo types to deal with the size and weight of lifting those tanks pictured.

I guess you are right. But it doesn't have to be metal. They are using relatively lightweight composite storage tanks nowadays even in space missions and stuff... and there a more examples.

A 5.5-meter cryogenic propellant tank during its manufacture at the Boeing Developmental Center in Tukwila, Washington. It is one of the largest composite propellant tanks ever made. Boeing image

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/nasa-space-technology-mission-directorate/2/

 

[Ann K]

Shapes look similar, but not sure about the ability of various helo types to deal with the size and weight of lifting those tanks pictured. Unfortunately the Sparks Engineers link you provided does not give dimensions or weights, nor do I see anything in either photo that could serve as a basis for scaling. Also suppose there are smaller, similarly shapes tanks where size/weight would be less of an issue.

This is a much smaller LPG tank (although not egg-shaped), and its specs say nearly a thousand pounds. Massive ones seem highly improbable for our egg.

https://learnmetrics.com/500-gallon-propane-tank-dimensions-size/

 

[Calter]

Would it make sense for a tank to be delivered so haphazardly to the point it just rolls around when it touches the ground?

 

[Nemon]

Would it make sense for a tank to be delivered so haphazardly to the point it just rolls around when it touches the ground?

You could ask the reverse: what else is so insensitive that you deliver it so sloppily?

 

[fizzBuzz]

This is a much smaller LPG tank (although not egg-shaped), and its specs say nearly a thousand pounds. Massive ones seem highly improbable for our egg.

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https://learnmetrics.com/500-gallon-propane-tank-dimensions-size/

I use to engineer pads for chemical tanks in plants. There are all kinds of different tank constructions and it just depends on the content of the tank and its purpose. If it's pressurized, then the tank will have a thicker wall to withstand the pressure (making it weigh more). If the content of the tank is not pressurized, then the tank could have a ribbed skeleton on the inside, allowing for a thinner sheathing. Some tanks are metal, some are plastic. Some have bladders. There are lots of variables.

So, just throwing this out there, a 500 gallon propane tank could weigh as much as a 5000 gallon plastic water tank (I'm talking about empty weight, of course).

 

[Ann K]

Would it make sense for a tank to be delivered so haphazardly to the point it just rolls around when it touches the ground?

Can we judge anything by the way it rolls? I'd expect a very heavy object to move ponderously, but perhaps not if its landing site is a hard surface. I'd also expect its chosen landing site to be flat, not with a slope that would cause it to roll. If the cables are tugged to release them and that's enough to make it roll, I think that would indicate a fairly light object. Ditto for an object that's largely hollow but rolls to put its "heavy side" downward.

I can't quantify any of those things; I'm just throwing out questions to ask if any of you have a sense of size or weight from the way it rolls.

 

[fizzBuzz]

Would it make sense for a tank to be delivered so haphazardly to the point it just rolls around when it touches the ground?

A large, plastic, empty tank could definitely be tossed around without much issue. But who knows, if its an old and empty tank they don't care about, then who cares if it's thrown around.

 

[Nemon]

I use to engineer pads for chemical tanks in plants.

So are you aware of any applications for odd shaped containers, such as egg-shaped ones?

 

[psikiwi]

Not saying it's a real space egg, but transferring it this way would be totally normal.

This test aircraft cost 1 billion dollars:

https://indianexpress.com/article/t...ft-in-captive-carry-test-over-desert-4822469/

I couldn't read your linked article, as it requires registration. A two second Google image search on "Dream Chaser" gave me this, which is also a registration walled site (Irish News, see thumbnail below).

Not quite transferring it the same as the 'space egg', which is not normal slinging for any significant type of load.

 

[JMartJr]

Silicone eggs

Or hard training eggs.

Maybe, but why go to the trouble when most folks will have a carton of up to a dozen actual eggs in the fridge at any given time? There is not really an issue in "where would an egg-shaped object come from, IF one wanted to make a fake video like this?" (Not asserting that it IS faked, but IF so then the egg is not going to be hard to come by...)

 

[fizzBuzz]

So are you aware of any applications for odd shaped containers, such as egg-shaped ones?

I am not lol

My best guess for an egg-shaped tank would be maybe some type of liquid hopper that is gravity fed. I don't think egg shaped would be optimal for a solid (like animal feed or grain). Usually, a hopper for solids has a conical shaped feed. I would imagine egg-shaped would be more expensive to manufacture (depending on the material).

But again, hoppers and tanks have extra features. Like flanges, structural extrusions, etc. None of that is apparent in the video. It literally just looks like an "egg".

 

[Calter]

Can we judge anything by the way it rolls? I'd expect a very heavy object to move ponderously, but perhaps not if its landing site is a hard surface. I'd also expect its chosen landing site to be flat, not with a slope that would cause it to roll. If the cables are tugged to release them and that's enough to make it roll, I think that would indicate a fairly light object. Ditto for an object that's largely hollow but rolls to put its "heavy side" downward.

I can't quantify any of those things; I'm just throwing out questions to ask if any of you have a sense of size or weight from the way it rolls.

I wasn't trying to question if it rolls like a tank would, but if letting a tank roll around is something that is okay to do. I really know nothing about tanks of any kind but in my head, I imagined letting them roll around could cause unnecessary structural stress/damage, at least if they are made of metal. But maybe it's completely fine, I don't know.

 

[jarlrmai]

Wasn't there some weirdly shaped radar test targets at a base somewhere that looked like UFOs, maybe it's something like that?

 

[Indi]

You said

[...] it seems unlikely your normal military aircraft targeting camera pod (ATFLIR on F/18, Arrowhead on Apache) would be capable of providing this FOV (right next to the hook pointing down) and those systems normally have overlays.

I think the POV is all relative... I'm not sure we know it's "right next to the hook", we just know it's looking down, apparently somewhere near the top of the line. I'm not sure why that would be unlikely. That system seems to be in a gimbal housing that provides for a wide angle of pan/tilt/pivot, which you would expect. What seems unlikely to me is that they would design a system that couldn't look down. Also seems unlikely to me that there would be an entirely redundant system just for longline lifts. Or that it would be mounted on the rope itself, like the homebrew one I was commenting on, which was my main point originally.

I would agree about the lack of an overlay being suspicious though, and I've pointed that out myself in a prior comment. It's likely not an Apache, also (assuming the video is genuine), that was just the first example that came up in search. More likely a Chinook, since an Apache isn't really designed for heavy lift. Apparently the Chinook standard model has no FLIR system, but the MH-47E Special Forces variant of it was fitted (since the 90s) with an AAQ-16 FLIR system in a "gimbal housing mounted on the underside of the fuselage", which can be steered through 210° in azimuth and from +85° to -180° in elevation: https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_old_pdf.cfm?ARC_ID=447

That source does say, however, that it "produces a black-and-white video image", not green monochrome. I suppose if someone had the time, they could review all copter FLIR systems in use at the time, and look at field of view, FLIR display tint color options, and heads-up overlay status. If none existed at the time with the right combination, that might be telling.

 

[jarlrmai]

. I'm not sure we know it's "right next to the hook"

The size and position of the rope in the video means it's on or very near to the rope

 

[jdog]

I am not lol

My best guess for an egg-shaped tank would be maybe some type of liquid hopper that is gravity fed. I don't think egg shaped would be optimal for a solid (like animal feed or grain). Usually, a hopper for solids has a conical shaped feed. I would imagine egg-shaped would be more expensive to manufacture (depending on the material).

But again, hoppers and tanks have extra features. Like flanges, structural extrusions, etc. None of that is apparent in the video. It literally just looks like an "egg".

The night-vision, low-resolution nature of the video with little sense of focus makes it hard to make out any surface details the object might have.

And depending on the type of night-vision equipment that was used (assuming it's real footage), you may have an image that's not only being affected by the sensor chip, but then post-processed in some manner to emphasize certain details over others. There are at least two sources of light in the image -- one causing the shadow, plus some other broader illumination that's keeping the shadow-side of the object from being dark. So the egg itself is the brightest object in the image and any detail could be blown out.

That also assumes the source and/or NewsNation didn't make further adjustments to contrast and brightness, for drama or other purposes.

 

[Stryder]

That source does say, however, that it "produces a black-and-white video image", not green monochrome. I suppose if someone had the time, they could review all copter FLIR systems in use at the time, and look at field of view, FLIR display tint color options, and heads-up overlay status. If none existed at the time with the right combination, that might be telling.

My experience, which is up to 1986, is that all military gimbal mounted FLIR systems used black and white monitors. This for the simple reason that at that time, all color was artificially created from a monochrome sensor. Sensors varied a little from system to system, but were all monochrome. I think that was because it was far more important to have high resolution than to have multiple detectors sensitive to different colors with all of the complications of combining multiple colors through the optics. I am most familiar with targeting systems which display on some type of cockpit monitor. I'm not directly familiar with the pilot assist systems where the optical feed is being piped directly to the pilot. In this case, there might be some advantage to tinting the color to preserve some aspect of night vision.

I think the POV is all relative... I'm not sure we know it's "right next to the hook", we just know it's looking down, apparently somewhere near the top of the line.

My review of the video indicates the camera POV is very close to the "rope" since there is very little lateral perspective and the top of the "rope" is relatively large. Most FLIRs that I am aware of on helos are mounted near the nose of the cockpit, at least partially to closely align the perspective with the pilot's perspective. In any case, they would be mounted where they have the most unobstructed view possible of the highest priority lanes of view. Under the belly would not be the highest priority placement for targeting or piloting. An exception to the nose rule is the mast mounted sight which is/was mounted on top of the rotor.

If the footage is real, my guess is it is not a military grade FLIR we are looking at, but rather some sort of commercial night vision. Given the steadiness of the video, it looks to be mounted rather than held, but the video is short. I think the classic green color is more of an indication of light amplification than of true IR.

 

[Indi]

The size and position of the rope in the video means it's on or very near to the rope

That's not a logical conclusion. The AAQ-16, for example, has selectable 1x, 6x, and 16x fields of view, so could appear closer to the cabling than it actually is. But since the Chinook MH-47E is belly-mounted, it could very well appear close to the cable even at 1x. But "on" the rope itself makes no sense as a design choice for military use... too heavy, too subject to abuse, and would rotate with the rope, as that homebrew one did. If it could be shown to be "on" the rope itself, that would suggest to me it's not military at all. But there's too many variables to say definitively that it's physically very close to the rope/cable/rod where it meets the copter. Though it's all hypothetical in the end, since we're not even sure it's genuine.

 

[Indi]

Under the belly would not be the highest priority placement for targeting or piloting.

And yet, the document I linked above states the Chinook MH47-E FLIR system was mounted on the underbelly. And for heavy lift, isn't a Chinook the most likely choice?

 

[jarlrmai]

That's my point, if someone can find a similar system or footage from a device actually in use on a military helicopter then it strengthens the case for this being genuine, if not then it becomes hard to support the video as a genuine product of a military operation, given night line lift operations would be something that would be fairly routine for the military.

In your initial post you seemed confident the the point of not using words like possibly it maybe etc, so I thought you knew of such a system, but it seems you were being speculative rather than in possession of some new knowledge, which is fine but it helps to make it clear.

 

[Nemon]

Wasn't there some weirdly shaped radar test targets at a base somewhere that looked like UFOs, maybe it's something like that?

Yes, and that thread is connected to Ross Coulhart, too
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ro...ineering-program-at-area-51.13109/post-307374

 

[jarlrmai]

Yes, and that thread is connected to Ross Coulhart, too
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ro...ineering-program-at-area-51.13109/post-307374

Under night vision or converted to fake green would a silver reflective object at appear white?

 

[ThomasH]

The size and position of the rope in the video means it's on or very near to the rope

In Blender, Line 1 inch, camera 1.5 inch from the line.
24mm F5.6

130 ft to the "egg"

 

[Indi]

In your initial post you seemed confident

My initial comment was about the homebrew system with the GoPro (or similar) attached to the lift rope itself, that someone linked in a video clip. Even as a non-expert, I'm fairly confident that military copters use more robust fixed-mounted systems than that, yes. And everything I read continues to support that. I'm always in support of documentation that can narrow the focus/possibilities. But at a certain point, the very specific technical aspects of each system come into play, and make it hard to make definitive statements about some details unless one is an expert.

 

[Indi]

In Blender, Line 1 inch, camera 1.5 inch from the line.
24mm F5.6 130 ft to the "egg"

Wasn't it stated to be 150-200 feet though? And what if not 24mm F5.6? Too many variables here I think.

 

[ThomasH]

Wasn't it stated to be 150-200 feet though? And what if not 24mm F5.6? Too many variables here I think.

Yes I don't know why I made it too short ...but it was just to show the out of focus blur and size of the rope.
F number doesn't really change much. I made it 24mm because if the height was 150 ft and size of the egg was 20 ft, this would fit (I use the wrong height though)

This is 150ft, then it's 26mm to make the egg the right size

 

[NorCal Dave]

Please help me: Where exactly does Coulthart say that if it's not here in the video?

Edit: It's here in the transcript posted by me. Doesn't say "trusted" though

My bad, I must have misremembered the "trusted" part, maybe from another Coulthart segment.

As you quoted:

news nation has independently obtained previously unseen video obtained from a secret UAP craft retrieval program.

They never actually say this is video from Barber's claimed retrieval. When they come back from showing the video, Barber makes no mention of it, he goes on to talk about the "acorn" which made him feel the "Spirit of God" when he transported it:

The UAP Final Destination still unknown.

So there. There was another object. There's two objects that I'm here to talk about. One was the egg. The other is what we called an acorn.

14:43

No, no, it was a very feminine energy, I'll tell you that. It felt like felt like the Spirit of God,

17:40

I think Matt33 sums it up well:

This is all deliberately unclear, ambiguous and misleading.

I don't think at any point does Coulthart or News Nation explicitly make it clear that the video is directly related to Barber. Barber tells of 2 retrivals. In the first, he infers he's lifting something that looks like an egg:

Well, I was a helicopter pilot, and I operate with, 150ft to 200ft long line. So I got within 150ft of this object. What did you see?
11:18
I saw an egg, a white. Egg.

I would say approximately 20ft, plus or minus a little bit about the size of a large SUV.

And he does NOT know at that point that it's alien, just weird:

How did you know that that egg shaped object was non-human in origin? Well, visually, after seeing all kinds of things in my past, it was clearly something that was ridiculously looking. It's inconsistent with anything I'd ever seen before. I can also tell you that the reaction by my team, we all knew we were dealing with something, extraordinary. And at no stage were you ever subsequently told
12:30
that the craft was of non-human origin.

He then claims it was NOT confirmed to be alien, but rather not unique:

I will tell you that during this process over the last couple of years, it's been confirmed to me by ranking members of the UAP Task Force that what we were working with that night was, in fact, at high, and it was not a unique experience.

Again, he was never told it was alien during the operation, and the UAP Task force did not in this quote confirm it as alien either. Just "not a unique experience", whatever that means. It's all word play and inuendo.

Then Coulthart shows the video claiming the craft is 20', just like Barber said, but does not say this is the same egg Barber saw or transported. Which, if the "not" "unique" comment by the UAPTF is at all credible, would make sense. There are more that one of these eggs getting moved around it would seem.

But that brings up the problem of the UAPTF and credibility. We know that for a while the UAPTF was run by Elizondo's old AATIP UFO hunting partner Jay Stratton, included David Grusch among others and had as it's Chief Scientist, Travis Taylor of Ancient Aliens and Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch fame. Their report was full of supposedly unexplainable UAPs that turned out to be very explainable.

After showing the video, Barber moves on to his "acorn" and "God" story without even commenting on the video. I assume he saw it. This seems to be typical Coulthart smoke and mirrors. Barber never says he was told any of these things were alien, not even by the alien hunters at the UAPTF. He just believed they were alien, and Coulthart runs with that as an alien retrieval program.

And to reiterate, unlike the standard secret UFO retrieval programs that run off to Roswell, Keksburg, Kingman and Brazil, Barber seems to have just operated in the deserts of Southern California at what he calls "the range". Unless he's bopping over to Nevada and Groom Lake/Area 51, he's pretty much operating at Edwards Air Force base.

One can just look at the map and see where the base is and other military training areas, like 29 Palms, and kinda figure out where he was supposed to be. There just aren't a lot of top secret areas on the map:

EAFB is surrounded by highways on 3 sides and Lancaster to the southwest and the El Mirage OHV park to the southeast. There are a number of air strips and other government facilities outside the base proper. Lockheed's Skunkworks and Northrup Grumman are located at Air Force Plant 42 in nearby Palmdale and obviously test aircraft out there:

But it would seem this is where all the action happens. Even when Barber and his "team" head out on other cloak and dagger secret retrieval missions looking for compromised ToughBook computers, they still don't stray too far away, finding them up in California's Sierra Nevada mountains:

Jake and his team suspect those Panasonic tough books contained data from the top secret UAP retrieval operations worth millions to the right buyer. Jake says the private company contracting him was determined to recover them. We recovered our first two, tough books. They were, they were in the High Sierras.

29:51

As a side note, besides the egg, Barber speaks of the "acorn". This is also the term Grusch uses for the supposed crashed UFO from 1933 Italy. When Grusch started telling this story he called it "bell-like craft" which is an allusion to the supposed German craft known as Die Glocke. Here he is talking to a French magazine:

Int.: What allegedly happened there?

D.G.: In 1933, a bell-like craft, around ten meters in size was recovered in Magenta, northern Italy. It was kept by Mussolini's government until 1944 when it was recovered by agents of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS, a former US intelligence agency).

However, for reasons discussed in the linked thread below, he later modified it to a "bell or acorn shaped thing":

6:24

the hump and there's like a you know

like a bubble on topic classic like like

that like that but it looks like when it

hits the edges broke off so it became

this like Bell or

Acorn shaped thing um and there was

nothing in it it was like just an

artifact you know there was no

biologicals

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/claim-a-ufo-crashed-in-1933-italy-and-the-us-recovered-it.13282/

These stories seem to cross-pollinate.

 

[NoParty]

...why go to the trouble when most folks will have a carton of up to a dozen actual eggs in the fridge at any given time?

I get that.
On the other hand though, if you were going to the trouble to fake a video,
with the intention of duping NewsNation to hype it nationwide, for you...
(presumably to increase your ability to reap addition monetization down the road),
why not invest $4 on Amazon for a wood or plastic or silicone egg, that you could use
for attempted shot after attempted shot, without any of the hassle of possible breakage?

 

[Stryder]

I'll start the survey of Helo FLIR systems (I'm sure this is incomplete). It would take some searching to determine light range sensitivity of most of these. Also, there is lots of conflicting info on which platforms these were actually deployed on. Some of these systems were/are also deployed on fixed wing aircraft.

AN/AAQ-5, Night Vison FLIR UH-1M (Huey), AH-1G (Cobra)
AN/AAQ-10, HH53H/J Pavelow II (Super Green Giant)
AN/AAQ-11 Lockheed Martin AH-64 (Cobra)
AN/AAQ -15 Texas-Instruments HH60A/J
AN/AAQ-16, Ratheon, MH-47E, CH-53E, HH60G/H HH60G/K longwave
AN/AAQ-18 MH-53J
AN/AQQ-22 FLIR Systems UH-1H, MH-60G
AN/AAQ-27 Ratheon, updated AN/AAQ-16? MH47-G (Chinook) midwave
AN/AAQ-29 Ratheon, contract awarded 2013, for CH-53E and HH-60G, midwave IR (3-5 micron)
AN/AAQ-30 AH-1Z (Viper)
AN/AAQ-44 Ratheon, CH-53K

 

[Stryder]

And yet, the document I linked above states the Chinook MH47-E FLIR system was mounted on the underbelly. And for heavy lift, isn't a Chinook the most likely choice?

Although mounted on the underside of the MH-47E, a better representation of the location would be "chin" or under the nose. It would certainly have down look capability, but I question the nearly co-located look of the NN video vs. the perspective given from the nose of the MH-47E.
https://i.insider.com/5f5a29447ed0ee001e25e6ea?width=700

 

[jarlrmai]

I feel the sound in the NN video is most like a Huey but I've not done an extensive comparison to the fleet of US military helicopters that might be involved in long line operations.