INU→BNE sighting, 28-JAN-2025, Dassault F900

This just in from an air ambulance pilot friend in Australia, who gave permission to post here. tl;dr - 30 minute sighting of two anomalous lights dead ahead of the aircraft over the Coral Sea.

Falcon 900 flight from Nauru (INU) to Brisbane (BNE) late at night with no moon and clear starry skies. Here is the flight track with all the DTLD:
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/VHCAD/history/20250128/0700Z/ANYN/YBBN
Attached is a photo of their flight summary screen after landing, and a KML file — note the datalogger was on all day so three flights are included in the KML file, extracting the correct one is above my pay grade. He also provided a GPX file but the forum would not let me upload it.

No exact times were noted, but the sighting lasted approximately 30 minutes, beginning 1 hour before landing, and ending 30 minutes later when they had to turn their attention to their descent into BNE. The direction was dead ahead the whole time, and both pilots agreed it was about 10º above them. They both understood it was impossible to estimate distance. The lights were both white, moving relative to the visible star field, and gradually changing brightness as their direction changed, ranging from the brightness of a faint star to brighter than Venus. Sometimes they made suddenly 90º turns to vertical, and usually appeared like one was chasing the other. They noted that RAAF Amberley Base is to the west of Brisbane and speculated if these could be F-18s maybe firing their afterburners to account for the change in brightness, but both pilots dismissed that possibility as they would be much too far away for them to see. They are also familiar with satellite flares, but noted the Moon was on the other side of the Earth so that was improbable, and inconsistent with 30 minutes of visibility.

They tried multiple times to take pictures, but neither phone was able to resolve them. No pictures worth keeping were taken. The pilots also put their chins up on the dash and covered their faces with their hands, both to see them better, and to eliminate any chance that these were reflections from inside the cockpit.

At about their 10 o'clock position was the remnants of an old thunderstorm which produced occasional flashes of lightning.

The sighting ended when it was time to descend, and as they did so, the lights faded into the sky glow from Brisbane.

Take it away, gang. The pilot said he'd be willing to drop in here to answer any questions.
 

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1st main problem there's no full KML for the track as the area is too remote for flight tracking.

I got the Flightaware estimated flight track KML anyway, its attached

Sitrec shows they are flying into Starlink flares pretty much the entire trip, you probably couldn't plan a flight better for Starlink flares as they chase the sun around the globe.

https://www.metabunk.org/u/zuxeBp.html

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Witnesses make claims, but with no evidence to look at? No disrespect at all to the witnesses, but ANY case that relies on nothing but witnesses remembering what they saw is going to be plagued by the fact that we know witnesses' testimony is fraught with observational error and then the tendency of memories to be malleable over time, and susceptible to error as, in this case, two witnesses talk about what they saw, allowing their memories to converge.

That said, it sounds a lot like another Starlink flare case, with multiple flares fading in and out being taken for two persistent lights brightening and dimming.

(Not sure what the position of the moon has to do with satellite flares, can you explain?)
 
They noted that RAAF Amberley Base is to the west of Brisbane and speculated if these could be F-18s maybe firing their afterburners to account for the change in brightness, but both pilots dismissed that possibility as they would be much too far away for them to see.
People have under-estimated the distance that a bright light can be seen before this, famously in the UFO videos released by the Pentagon. And any aerial activity from Amberley would not be confined to the base, of course, but might be many miles away from their home base, and correspondingly much closer to Brisbane. I would not have dismissed that possibility so quickly.
 
OP is updated with the KML file.
Bad Elf isn't currently a format that Sitrec accepts as a data track. But loading it into Google Earth, it looks similar to the FlightAware track. I'll have a look and see if I can support it easily. A brief inspection suggests it will be straightforward.
 
My apologies, I seem to have broken something in Sitrec, as that URL does not load. I'll try to fix it it before I fall asleep.
Ah, I see the problem. You used "Save" on the file menu from within the Starlink tool. One might expect that work, and indeed it should, but Save and Load are designed for the Custom tool.

In the Starlink tool only "Night Sky Permalink" will work correctly. I should disable the other options.

I'm in the process of deprecating the Starlink tool as it can be done as a subset of the Custom tool.

Here is the sitch as a Custom sitch (where you can have a video, and a bunch of other stuff)
https://www.metabunk.org/u/NqvNz7.html

And as the older style Night Sky Permalink (split screen)
https://www.metabunk.org/u/IaLbRZ.html

But yes, the verbal account sounds exactly like other Starlink sighting, and they would have had a great Starlink show right ahead of them.

Increasing the View/Sat Cut-off can help visualize things
https://www.metabunk.org/u/ZZbYcQ.html

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They are also familiar with satellite flares, but noted the Moon was on the other side of the Earth so that was improbable, and inconsistent with 30 minutes of visibility.

There are two apparently logical statements there, but neither contains valid logic.

1) A quick gedankenexperiment: Picture a scenario where the moon is exactly where they think it's perfect for seeing satellite flares. Wait until a satellite flare begins. At that point, move the moon to any other point on its orbit, or anywhere else in the universe, known or unknown. What changes to the satellite flare when you so do - and why? (Answer: Nothing - because the moon is not involved in the flaring.)

2) "Sometimes they made suddenly 90º turns" is a classic description of one satellite starts flaring close to (in time and space) another satellite's flare coming to an end - the flare zones have edges, satellites cross them all the time - in both directions. Seeing a set of events last for an extended period of time does not mean any of the individual contributory events has lasted that period of time. Meteor showers can last for hours, yet the meteors only last for seconds.

(Edit: hat tip to @JMartJr, he covers the same points upthread, though with slightly less verbiage.)
 
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