Instantaneous Acceleration - Wedding Photographer - Toledo Drone Footage [Lens Flare]

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We love to also hear what your take on this is? This is not Reddit or Tiktok.
 
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my take is perhaps its a high speed drone. but the rate of acceleration is interesting. @Ravi thats wild, i didnt notice i wasn't on tiktok, i was just swiping and now i'm on meta-bunk, whoa
 
Stationary object
we don't know that, could be moving towards the camera
accelerates at a high rate of speed
inadvertantly correct use of "rate of speed"
however, the actual speed depends on the distance, which is unknown
instantly
no
across the horizon
meaning "horizontally"
in toledo
maybe

it's a fuzzy white blob of light video
could be a spotlight in the clouds, a reflection in a window, or whatever

and the fact that nobody else in downtown Toledo reported it suggests that it either wasn't there (e.g. a reflection), or that it was readily identified from close up
 
The thing that make me question it (not proof, but suspicion):
Why was the photographer paying attention to a stationary light BEFORE it began to do anything of interest? - Speculation: he knew something was going to happen, so it's (1) a setup, such as knowing a rocket/firework was going to be fired, or (2) a complete fake.
 
we don't know that, could be moving towards the camera

inadvertantly correct use of "rate of speed"
however, the actual speed depends on the distance, which is unknown

no

meaning "horizontally"

maybe

it's a fuzzy white blob of light video
could be a spotlight in the clouds, a reflection in a window, or whatever

and the fact that nobody else in downtown Toledo reported it suggests that it either wasn't there (e.g. a reflection), or that it was readily identified from close up

is the point of this sub to berate people's semantic statements into logically accurate arguments worthy of lawyers?

okay lets try
- honest appearing wedding photographer posts a video of a bright light he captured in the sky using his drone. he follows up by posting meta data in honest attempts to gather information.

i find this video interesting because it appears to move in ways that i haven't seen often in prosaically explained UFO videos. i dont think it looks like a reflection and appears to be an object in the sky - based on the trail behind it, unlikely to be an insect. my best guess is still a drone that moves pretty quickly across the screen
 
is the point of this sub to berate people's semantic statements into logically accurate arguments worthy of lawyers?
Not at all, so please don't take offense. The purpose of Metabunk, if we could summarize it very simply, is to ask the questions so we can search for plausible answers.
 
I hate TicTok! I got to watch the video once in the OP and now I have a different video queued up. Classic TikTok. Yeah, I can go to the link on to TikTok's site and watch it. I've never been able to scrub back and forth frame by frame like in YouTube.

However, upon looking at ShotByShay's TicTok profile it appears he is a legit wedding photographer and drone operator. But I did find this clip which seems to indicate he's not above a bit of digital manipulation. A group of, possibly groomsmen, run for a single beer which seems to just disappear when they get to it. The non-existent beer seems to stay slightly out of fucus until just before it's touched and disappears. I suppose the other possibility is the beer was really there, and it gets digital removed when the guy fails to capture it properly (and I loth to share TicTok stuff because I assume it will only play once before bumping to the next video you might like forcing one to go to the site to see it again):


Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@shotbyshayvideo/video/7416438601040334110
 
honest appearing wedding photographer posts a video of a bright light he captured in the sky using his drone. he follows up by posting meta data in honest attempts to gather information.
thank you

why is the drone recording vertical video?
 
honest appearing wedding photographer
why do you call him "honest appearing"? do you have evidence that speaks to his honesty?
based on the trail behind it, unlikely to be an insect
The trail is super weird, I don't even know what it would be

if it's a camera artefact, it doesn't rule out anything

I think it's important to start with what we're actually seeing, and not an interpretation of it
 
Any other witnesses to the same thing in the Toledo area?
Toledo has around 270,000 inhabitants, I'd guess there are still quite a few people out and about at 21:30
(Wikipedia, Toledo, Ohio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo,_Ohio).

In a couple of other threads I've moaned about claims of
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Instantaneous Acceleration
and similar claims of things accelerating faster than human technology can explain, a trope associated with footage of UFOs.
Large warship guns from the first half of the 20th could accelerate masses equivalent to a small car to supersonic speeds in a fraction of a second, shells leaving the barrel much faster than the eye could track or even register; contemporary shells can contain electronics capable of surviving the tremendous acceleratory shock.

Even over-the-counter firework rockets can be hard to track by eye.
To be honest, at the moment the Toledo footage makes me think of a firework or flare (possibly vertically-launched, can't see any downward arc that might be expected from a horizontally-launched pyrotechnic).
 
if it's a camera artefact, it doesn't rule out anything
Odd. None of the other lights that cross the screen as the camera pans show a streak, but the UFO, which is relatrively stationary as the camera pans with it, does not leave a streak. To my mind, that tends to rule out a camera artifact.

It also seems odd how instantaneously the camera seems to start panning when the UFO moves. The videographer/drone pilot may just have really nice reflexes and a fast reaction time.

why is the drone recording vertical video?
That may solve both issues. We may not be seeing the whole original video, which may have been "landscape," but a "portrait" version meant to be seen by people using their phones to look at Tiktok. The pan would then not be in the original, but would be done during conversion of the video to the vertical format, to keep the UFO in frame and the quick start of the pan is natural now, as is the UFO, which would be crossing the screen quickly, leaving a camera artifact trail while lights that were stationary in the original do not.
 
One thing that's kind of buried given the format is that this is at least a second-generation recording of video on a screen, either a capture of the video while it's playing with a screen capture tool or using a phone.. (See player controls circled below.)

I'm also wondering if this playback is in realtime. Someone would have to look at the pacing of the lights and the speed of the few vehicles you can see moving. But if this were a jet coming toward the camera that just turned to the right and flew straight you'd expect it to be vanishing into the clouds, just not this quickly.
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- honest appearing wedding photographer posts a video of a bright light he captured in the sky using his drone. he follows up by posting meta data in honest attempts to gather information.

Reddit user claims to be videographer. Claims he created an account to comment on the original post. Reddit account is over three years old.

Made a Reddit account just to let you guys know I was the one who captured the footage and I'll be posting the raw files along with some explanation of why this is so strange.
https://www.reddit.com/user/TrickyFriend3385/comments/
 
One thing that's kind of buried given the format is that this is at least a second-generation recording of video on a screen, either a capture of the video while it's playing with a screen capture tool or using a phone.. (See player controls circled below.)
The metadata is for 3840×2160 video. Which we don't have.
Though we're promised "raw files".
 
The trail is super weird, I don't even know what it would be

if it's a camera artefact, it doesn't rule out anything
confirmed camera artefact

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I fly this drone a lot, it's a Mavic 3 Cine Pro if anyone's wondering and this is the night mode. The trail is due to long exposure in the mode. I'd be curious myself to see if other users experience similar "glitches" or possible glares, but I personally never have seen anything like this while filming.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1g3wmu4/comment/ls2g7pw/
 
One thing that's kind of buried given the format is that this is at least a second-generation recording of video on a screen, either a capture of the video while it's playing with a screen capture tool or using a phone.. (See player controls circled below.)

I'm also wondering if this playback is in realtime. Someone would have to look at the pacing of the lights and the speed of the few vehicles you can see moving. But if this were a jet coming toward the camera that just turned to the right and flew straight you'd expect it to be vanishing into the clouds, just not this quickly.
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Indeed! This appears to be a video of a video.

In the follow up where he shares the metadata, he pulls up the clip which is clearly in landscape:

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The metadata says the original clip is 1:10, same as the uploaded one:

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The next thing is to work out what is movement or zooming in the original video that's playing on the screen and what is the result of the camera/phone recording this screen.

Then there is this comment supposedly from the Shay on reddit from @Mendel above:

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I was out filming a wedding in Toledo when I noticed this the following morning. Even the clip taken in the same exact spot moments after has no evidence of this.

It does move when I pan the drone. Coincidence? Idk.
As I mentioned, TicTok does not seem to have a frame by frame scrubbing option, the best I could do was slow it down to .75 speed and just keep pausing/playing and moving the progress bar back a bit. Bottom line, at least in the uploaded video, the pan to follow the object seems to start at the exact time the object moves screen right.

So, if that's the case where is the pan occurring? In the original video or with the camera recording the screen playing the original? Given what Shay supposedly said on reddit about noticing this the next morning, it would seem impossible for the drone operator to have followed the object with the drone. He never saw it while the event was occurring.

IF the pan is part of the original video AND the drone operator was unaware of the object at the time, YET the object tracks perfectly with the panning drone, then I would argue it's something to do with the drone. The movement of the object is connected to the movement of the drone, right? The drone is not tracking the object, it could not have as the operator never saw it.

He seems to understand this when he mentions on reddit that "it move(s) when I pan the drone."

I'm not sure because we're looking at 2 sets of movements, whatever is happening in the original and whatever is happening with the device recording the original from a screen, however I think at around the 00:19 mark the object is still a single dot of light that then makes a slight up and down movement before moving screen right with the pan:

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I think the other lights in the scene make a similar, though subtle shift. Maybe. If so, it's the object moving with a slight tilt motion of the drone the same way it does with the panning motion. Just on a much smaller scale.

At the moment, if the reddit post is true, I'm thinking this was something on the drone or some sort of glitch? There was nothing in the sky.

As sophisticated as this guy's photo business seems to be, I'm still puzzled by the filming the screen trick to upload to TicTok. I would think he'd have the tools and experience necessary to create a portrait version. Or, as he does with several of his other videos on TicTok, just upload it as the original landscape (a couple of samples from his profile):

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I'll also note, in his 2nd video with the meta data, he shows the thumbnail for the original, then the meta data, then plays the uploaded clip filmed off a screen. He never plays the original:

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Based on the apparent speed of what I presume is a boat seen at the bottom of the frame, I'm gonna say the video is sped up possibly by a lot.

EDIT: actually I'm retracting that. I'm not sure that's a boat at all. Seems to be a tower appearing to move by parallax. Still wondering if the video is sped up though.

EDIT2: Actually, I think this is still a clue as to what is really going on. If the camera drone started moving to the left abruptly, then the light in the video could be almost anything that is relatively small and nearby.

EDIT3: I realize my post doesn't contribute much. Mia culpa.
 
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Welp, if the wedding of C...+ J... was at The Venues, 540 S St Clair St, Toledo, OH 43604, on October 12, 2024, per the metadata and the venue welcoming them on Instagram, and the recording was made at 7:54 p.m. local time, then someone has enough information to check local flight data. (Leaving out the names of the couple from the metadata in the above post so this doesn't become a search result for their wedding.)

Looking roughly NE in Google Earth toward Lake Erie:
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the video guy on reddit responded to me saying he posted this video on reddit, but it was waiting moderator approval. i was able to download the file. here is the reddit link he provided me which i was able to see on my phone:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1g5dadx/toledo_ufo/?share_id=IWA-uSwqy73LTqlbzznSm&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

additional context from his reddit posts:
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Hello

Made a Reddit account just to let you guys know I was the one who captured the footage and I'll be posting the raw files along with some explanation of why this is so strange.

To answer a few questions:

This didn't show up in anything prior or after what I filmed only in this specific clip. The drones cameras operate completely normal. I was out filming a wedding in Toledo when I noticed this the following morning. Even the clip taken in the same exact spot moments after has no evidence of this.

It does move when I pan the drone. Coincidence? Idk. But it's definitely strange why it's there and how it disappeared. You'll notice when I post the footage it's not consistently in the same spot. It does move around slightly before I pan.

I fly this drone a lot, it's a Mavic 3 Cine Pro if anyone's wondering and this is the night mode. The trail is due to long exposure in the mode. I'd be curious myself to see if other users experience similar "glitches" or possible glares, but I personally never have seen anything like this while filming.

I've flown cities a lot and have never experienced light glares or anything of this nature before at night which is why it surprised me to say the least. It's not of typically glare behavior.

I originally posted it on Tik Tok which several people claim to have seen it themselves. Idk what to believe but I'll leave it up to you guys.[\EX]

Going to post the footage to YouTube and link here.

Thanks for reading.
 

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the video guy on reddit responded to me saying he posted this video on reddit, but it was waiting moderator approval. i was able to download the file. here is the reddit link he provided me which i was able to see on my phone:

Yes, Mendel had his reddit quote in post #20 up thread. And as I noted above, IF his statement is correct, he could not have been panning to track the object. He didn't know it was there. So, the object seems to move in lock with the drone, not the other way around.

The provide link still says the post is waiting for "moderator approval" when I try it. Is this supposed to be the actual original footage and not the one recorded from a screen?

EDIT: @analiennamed it's best practice here to use the External Content (EC) feature when quoting or using text from somewhere. After copying your quote or information, highlight it and then click on this button up top:

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That way your quote will appear in an offset box that clearly shows it's a quote and not you talking. So, your reddit quote would look like this using the EC feature:

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Hello

Made a Reddit account just to let you guys know I was the one who captured the footage and I'll be posting the raw files along with some explanation of why this is so strange.

To answer a few questions:

This didn't show up in anything prior or after what I filmed only in this specific clip. The drones cameras operate completely normal. I was out filming a wedding in Toledo when I noticed this the following morning. Even the clip taken in the same exact spot moments after has no evidence of this.

It does move when I pan the drone. Coincidence? Idk. But it's definitely strange why it's there and how it disappeared. You'll notice when I post the footage it's not consistently in the same spot. It does move around slightly before I pan.

I fly this drone a lot, it's a Mavic 3 Cine Pro if anyone's wondering and this is the night mode. The trail is due to long exposure in the mode. I'd be curious myself to see if other users experience similar "glitches" or possible glares, but I personally never have seen anything like this while filming.

I've flown cities a lot and have never experienced light glares or anything of this nature before at night which is why it surprised me to say the least. It's not of typically glare behavior.

I originally posted it on Tik Tok which several people claim to have seen it themselves. Idk what to believe but I'll leave it up to you guys.

Going to post the footage to YouTube and link here.

Thanks for reading.
 
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You guys who have more technical savvy can probably tell how it was done, but my take on this is that he first filmed something like a SpaceX rocket (or perhaps just a firework going off) taking off with phone/camera in the vertical position (thus giving an initial burn - the stationary light - followed by a speeded up take-off - the straight line without any visible deviation from that vertical). A night-time blastoff would be mostly dark except for the burn. Then turn it 90° and superimpose a part of it on a legitimate video of the Toledo skyline, in a conveniently blank piece of cloud. That would allow the object to zip away sideways without any obvious downward component to the trajectory. Is that possible?
 
Going to post the footage to YouTube and link here.
Thanks for attaching the full frame footage here. It looks like the drone is moving slightly left and then rotating to the right, and based on the speed of the car and the light blink interval on the towers it doesn't appear to be sped up.

I think it might be an internal lens reflection from some light source (perhaps even one out of frame). When the drone is moving slightly forward-left at the start of the video the light moves slightly left with it, and as the drone starts panning right the light moves to the right with it until fading out (leaving a streak due to the long exposure). A lens reflection could also explain why as the drone rotates, and the angle to the light source changes, it would dim and eventually disappear.
 
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Not surprised that it's pretty obvious once the original footage is seen.

From the dude's comments on reddit, I don't quite understand this point...
With my understanding a lens flare would be highly unstable with the reflection on the lens. Trust me I film a lot of the Fx3 and experience this jumpy flare a lot. Just because the footage is stabilized internally doesn't mean that camera is stable it's moving all over the place as winds blows this would cause it to jump all over the place and the lens moves. This is why it's so interesting to me.
This seems counterintuitive to me, that lens flare wouldn't be stabalised while everything else the camera captures is.

But I'm not a photographer, so what do I know.

Is there a reason why lens flare wouldn't be stabalised by whatever is stabalising everything else?
 
This seems counterintuitive to me, that lens flare wouldn't be stabalised while everything else the camera captures is.

But I'm not a photographer, so what do I know.

Is there a reason why lens flare wouldn't be stabalised by whatever is stabalising everything else?
It depends on the type of stabilisation. E.g. DLSRs typically have mechanical stabilisation, i.e. they physically move optical elements to stabilize the optical axis. E.g. smartphones typically have a bigger sensor than the output image, so they can digitally shift the image a bit to counteract the instability while the optical axis moves.

When the optical axis moves, the location of the lens flare moves as well, so a digitally stabilized image would show the flare moving as the camera does. (We've seen a similar effect with dead pixels in other cases.) For example, as the drone camera pans sideways, the "object" aka the lens flare travels sideways as well because the optical axis moves.

So it would depend on the type of stabilisation in the camera on that drone. Since the photographer says that he's never seen a lens flare on that drone, he wouldn't know from experience how the flare would behave.
 
When the optical axis moves, the location of the lens flare moves as well
That suggests to me that the location of the light causing the flare would have an effect on its movement and stabalisation.

Is that a fair assumption?

I guess I should try and look for different examples but not sure where to start in terms of searches.
 
I think it might be an internal lens reflection from some light source (perhaps even one out of frame). When the drone is moving slightly forward-left at the start of the video the light moves slightly left with it, and as the drone starts panning right the light moves to the right with it until fading out (leaving a streak due to the long exposure). A lens reflection could also explain why as the drone rotates, and the angle to the light source changes, it would dim and eventually disappear.
This looks very likely. The light (I won't call it an object, since it is probably a flare) starts to move immediately when the drone starts to pan. This is a coincidence that cannot really be explained any other way.
 
So, lens flare and not an Alien UFO?
Very much looks like it.

And the "rocket trail" is a digital artefact where the camera layers consecutive frames in low light conditions: it was really only a single white dot on the sensor, and that was probably a lens flare.

I'm happy with that explanation.
 
Here's the full frame shot with a 180° overlay


Here I've zoomed in on the lens flare. It seem to come from the light I circles in green. The rock-solid sync in motion proves that it's lens flare.

 
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