Ray Von Geezer
Senior Member
It'd be more accurate to say he debunks himself, exposing both the inconsistencies in his argument and his lack of understanding at the same time.
Ian has written a response - Is George Monbiot a minion? to George Monbiot's article "The contrails conspiracy is not only garbage, it's letting aviation off the hook too". Ian has created a rather rambling piece which makes some extraordinary claims. For example, accusing Monbiot of not being interested in aircraft emissions (Monbiot has written about the topic regularly since at least 2006 and the Chairman of British Airways once said of him:-
"If we find the right way to harness the support of the travelling public, we can make real progress on climate change – and isolate the George Monbiots of this world who will never be satisfied until every runway is grassed over."
He also shows an example of Facebook supposedly "censoring" his posts, which is simply because he's viewing them using the "Top Comments" filter - apparently he's simply not a top commenter!
His most damaging and extraordinary claim is this one:-
Ian simultaneously claims that even a child knows a "fixed mass" thins as it spreads, and that substances sprayed from planes can spread and fill the sky.
I only wish I could point this out to him
Ray Von
Ian has written a response - Is George Monbiot a minion? to George Monbiot's article "The contrails conspiracy is not only garbage, it's letting aviation off the hook too". Ian has created a rather rambling piece which makes some extraordinary claims. For example, accusing Monbiot of not being interested in aircraft emissions (Monbiot has written about the topic regularly since at least 2006 and the Chairman of British Airways once said of him:-
"If we find the right way to harness the support of the travelling public, we can make real progress on climate change – and isolate the George Monbiots of this world who will never be satisfied until every runway is grassed over."
He also shows an example of Facebook supposedly "censoring" his posts, which is simply because he's viewing them using the "Top Comments" filter - apparently he's simply not a top commenter!
His most damaging and extraordinary claim is this one:-
The first paragraph is taken from the UK Department Of Transport Contrail Fact Sheet, the second is Ian's response stating why they are lying.External Quote:Why do some contrails disappear almost instantly whilst other are long lasting? This is dependent on the ambient atmospheric conditions such as temperature, pressure and humidity. Contrails can grow and continue to spread forming persistent contrails that can last for several hours and become indistinguishable from naturally occurring cirrus clouds.
So, firstly, water vapour ejected from a jet engine cannot increase in volume over time. If a fixed mass of anything spreads, it thins, a scientific principle even children can understand easily.
Ian simultaneously claims that even a child knows a "fixed mass" thins as it spreads, and that substances sprayed from planes can spread and fill the sky.
I only wish I could point this out to him

Ray Von