Help to debunk: 737 flies backward

Sunsignature

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even if we put a box around our eyes (like blinders on a horse) to restrict the view, i think our brains would override and visual that might be there ie. our brain knows we are moving. add: and where we are in space "spatial awareness"
That is exactly why I think is only a camera effect.
And even (I know this is subjective) when I watch this video repeatedly on the big screen, I can see what Mendel was referring to that camera shake is quite evident once the type of effect caused here is known. Simply the zoom and the lack of visual references camouflage this movement very well.

Personally, if I had to bet, I'd say this guy purposely shoots these videos to make them look like "anti-gravity planes", but it's a bit puzzling what his motivations would be; Unlike other types of scammers, it doesn't seem to make any financial profit. It could be that he's doing it for entertainment, but man, it's a bunch of videos on his channel, like he really believes in his own BS.
 

Alexandria Nick

Active Member
ive never seen a moving thing, stop and reverse with my eyes.
There's a place that I see "backwards" flying airliners all the time.

This ramp in Alexandria, Virginia is a reliable site for it https://goo.gl/maps/NELvNdRZkzooAuYEA

Aircraft landing from the south at KDCA are going from right to left across the sky here. By this point on the ramp, you've lost most visual reference to anything other than the sky, aircraft, and the light masts. You can't even see the trees. The Streetview camera mast is tall enough to show them, but in a regular car, you can't. You're also going fast enough and turning broad enough that your field of view is moving faster across the sky than the airplane is. At a certain point, the aircraft appears to slow down, pause, and then move from left to right. You can reference it because you see the plane on the left side of a light mast, and then a second later, it is on the right side.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
There's a place that I see "backwards" flying airliners all the time.
and you think "that airplane is moving backwards"?

i guess like people not noticing contrails, it is possible that a person wouldn't have ever previously noticed that when you move, so do other things in perspective.
 

jarlrmai

Senior Member
and you think "that airplane is moving backwards"?

i guess like people not noticing contrails, it is possible that a person wouldn't have ever previously noticed that when you move, so do other things in perspective.

What we are saying is that a common optical illusion can either legitimately confuse people, or be knowingly exploited to make odd looking videos on YouTube. Or you can know about it and still notice it when you see it and can recognise places where the optical illusion is likely to occur as seems to be the case for Alexandria.
 

NorCal Dave

Senior Member.
and you think "that airplane is moving backwards"?
I guess that's the crux of it, after seeing something like that, what do you make of it.

Like Alexandria Nick, I now remember a place where planes "appear" to float in air when driving on 505 and/or I80 near Travis Air Force Base (Fairfield CA). The base is home to a lot of BIG C5s and C17s that are constantly coming and going. Depending on how you view them from the interstate, they often look like they're floating in mid air and not moving.

BUT, I know they're not.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
What we are saying is that a common optical illusion can either legitimately confuse people, or be knowingly exploited to make odd looking videos on YouTube. Or you can know about it and still notice it when you see it and can recognise places where the optical illusion is likely to occur as seems to be the case for Alexandria.
i see. so when dave asked

Would the plane appear to stop and reverse to the naked eye while driving around the parking lot?
my answer should have been, technically yea the plane would move from the right side of the pole to the left side in real life with naked eyes. Just like your perspective of buildings move in real life as you move.

got it. my mistake. i misunderstood the context of what Dave was getting at.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
he also stopped filming the plane once his girlfriend (or guy friend driver) ran out of driving room because once the car was still the plane flies on.
Obviously the plane could have turned off the anti grav. But the film maker didnt say "ah he must have turned off the anti-grav!"... so i'm going with the uploader knew what he was doing.
 

JMartJr

Senior Member
Likely most folks here would know what retrograde motion of Mars (or of anything else) is, but as it happens I have handy a couple of illustrations of the concept that I did for another project. Since they are handy, here they are. Essentially, as Earth, in an inner, faster, orbit overtakes and passes Mars, parallax makes Mars's motion across the background stars seem to stop and for a time to backtrack a bit.retrograde mars.jpg retrograde mars.jpg
 

Mick West

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@Mick West am i right to assume too that his guy had a proper camera all ready to go (vs a cell phone) ..based on how squished the sunoco sign and plaza sign are in the vid? "squished" as in perspective shortening? is that the term?

can cell phones zoom that much?
It is zoomed alot, could be a lot of digital zoom. Phones vary.
 

Mick West

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What timestamp is the Plaza sign readable?
8s30f, although "readable" is a bit of a stretch - more just "recognizable if you know the types of words mini-malls have in their names". Here it is with the Sunco in the background. I though the boxes spelled out "UNAD" or something, but no.
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Mick West

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@Mick West am i right to assume too that his guy had a proper camera all ready to go (vs a cell phone) ..based on how squished the sunoco sign and plaza sign are in the vid? "squished" as in perspective shortening? is that the term?

can cell phones zoom that much?
Being "squished" isn't really a function of the lens - that's the same with any lense from that position. The zoom just makes everything bigger (and crops the image).

Comparing the wide shot at the end to the maximum zoom that's a 24x zoom, and appears to be optical, so probably not a phone. But he's also a "glitches-in-the-matrix" enthusiast who probably carries a camera around.

It does seem rather convenient though.
 

Mendel

Senior Member.
it's a bunch of videos on his channel, like he really believes in his own BS.
It looks like he tried to get a NWO/UFO channel going, but dropped the project when it wouldn't take off?

The channel's most recent vid I immediately facepalmed over was this:
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These jets have freighter versions with no windows, and the cockpit windows are barely visible from that angle. It's either wilful ignorance, or purposely misleading.
 

Sunsignature

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These jets have freighter versions with no windows, and the cockpit windows are barely visible from that angle. It's either wilful ignorance, or purposely misleading.
Indeed, and as some comments on his video also point out, it is a cargo plane. Specifically, a Kallita company aircraft (you can clearly recognize the paint patterns in the attached image).

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In addition, the author has a position certainly ridiculous.

Let's assume for a moment that this really is a secret government super drone.
Okay, cool. So, that very secret plane is supposed to land at a common airport (if it were a military base or "area 51", well, that would be a little more believable) and ordinary in front of the views of hundreds and even thousands of people, and of all of them, he and only he would be the one to notice and capture it in a frankly bad and poorly recorded video shot (this even seems to be recorded on purpose).

Come on, it really is impossible to see windows on a tilted, opaque, backlit (cargo) plane. If this were as he says, there would be a lot of people (or he could even do it himself) recording it even from the airport terminals or in surrounding areas, and yet we get this...

Obviously, like all conspiracy theories, it is limited only by the imagination of its proponents, and he could say something like the plane magically "appears" its windows on approach to the airport or some similar nonsense, but we already know that ;)
 

Edward Current

Active Member
Let's assume for a moment that this really is a secret government super drone.
Okay, cool. So, that very secret plane is supposed to land at a common airport (if it were a military base or "area 51", well, that would be a little more believable) and ordinary in front of the views of hundreds and even thousands of people, and of all of them, he and only he would be the one to notice and capture it in a frankly bad and poorly recorded video shot (this even seems to be recorded on purpose).

Come on, it really is impossible to see windows on a tilted, opaque, backlit (cargo) plane. If this were as he says, there would be a lot of people (or he could even do it himself) recording it even from the airport terminals or in surrounding areas, and yet we get this...
The euphoria of feeling special, from having seen/discovered/learned something that others aren't privy to, seems to close the mental pathways that ordinarily lead to reasonable questions like this.

Having cemented a belief in this way, the next step in the process is always to evangelize this discovery/knowledge, often accompanied by an intensive, intellectually dishonest defense of the belief.
 

Investigator1

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Hi everyone!

Well, it turns out that I was researching the "frozen planes" (a theory that, for some strange reason, claims that airplanes "freeze" in midair, usually related to UFOs, chemtrails, or simulation theory). Regardless of the ridiculous implications of the theory, and I found videos that offer satisfactory explanations to practically all the claims of airplanes floating still in the air, except one which I cannot explain...

This is the video, approximately at 0:18: Source: https://youtu.be/OFEsi17UPxs


In it, a commercial aircraft not only stops in the air, but also flies backward before continuing with its trajectory.

I don't have much idea what's going on here. The skeptical channel "plane analyst" approached it in one of the videos, but the explanation was a bit incomplete in my opinion (or I didn't understand ir at all, I'm not an English speaker). basically (from what I could understand) he said it's an effect of camera shake, which is true; however, at the indicated timestamp, the camera movement does not appear to be pronounced enough to justify the plane's trajectory.
Obviously, there is always the option that it is a forgery; however, I do try to consider other options before that...

What am I missing? Have someone any ideas of what happened here or can explain it?
It looks to me like the plane is "banking," which means it is moving mostly sideways - away from the camera, which makes it look like it is stopped. It seems to bank for awhile, the move forward a bit, and then bank again. So, it's changing directions.
 

Mendel

Senior Member.
It looks to me like the plane is "banking," which means it is moving mostly sideways
A fixed-wing aircraft that is banking is not moving mostly sideways, but mostly forward.

The reason for this is that the thrust from its engines can only propel it forward, and must do so with sufficient speed for the wings to have lift; otherwise, the wings would stall, and the aircraft would trundle to the ground - something airline pilots are trained to avoid.
 

Investigator1

New Member
A fixed-wing aircraft that is banking is not moving mostly sideways, but mostly forward.

The reason for this is that the thrust from its engines can only propel it forward, and must do so with sufficient speed for the wings to have lift; otherwise, the wings would stall, and the aircraft would trundle to the ground - something airline pilots are trained to avoid.
A plane's engines can only propel it forward, but it's rudder can cause it to turn, and gravity can cause it to drop, and it's wings and flaps can overcome gravity and cause it to move at an angle as it slowly drops.

The plane in the video is clearly banking for a landing at some nearby airstrip. I was in the Air Force. I've seen airplanes come in for landings countless times. They seem to hang suspended in the air as they come slowly toward you when you're in the airport tower.

You cannot park a plane in the air. So, you have to look for some logical reason why a plane can appear to "park in the air."
 

Mendel

Senior Member.
it's rudder can cause it to turn
Yes. This departing aircraft had only turned a little bit, flying a wide turn from runway heading to wherever it was headed next.
However, neither the rudder nor the ailerons can cause the aircraft to move sideways.

Compare: turning the steering on a car in motion causes it to turn, but it won't go sideways.

They seem to hang suspended in the air as they come slowly toward you when you're in the airport tower.
Yes. A landing civil jet aircraft is typically on a long straight slope that ends at the airport; if you're at the airport, the aircraft is coming towards you with very little deviation in any direction, just getting bigger; and you'd see it pretty much head-on. But that's not what's taking place in this video.
So, you have to look for some logical reason why a plane can appear to "park in the air."
Correct. We have above identified this reason as "parallax effect caused by the camera motion", which may well have been pre-planned.
 
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