Hawaii Official Who Confirmed the Authenticity of Obama's Birth Certificate Dies in Plane Crash

[AluminumTheory]

Loretta Fuddy, the Hawaii official who confirmed the authenticity of President Obama's birth record in Hawaii, died Wednesday night in a small-plane crash.
The aircraft, with nine passengers on board, crashed into the ocean about a mile off Kalaupapa, Molokai, on Wednesday, the U.S. Coast Guard said.

The other eight people survived, Petty Officer Stephen Woodbury said. One person swam ashore, a Maui Fire Department helicopter picked up four, and a Coast Guard helicopter rescued three.

Fuddy was director of the state's health department.

"Our hearts are broken," Gov. Neil Abercrombie said in a prepared statement. "Loretta was deeply loved and respected. She was selfless, utterly dedicated and committed to her colleagues in the Department of Health and to the people of Hawaii. Her knowledge was vast; her counsel and advice always given from her heart as much as from her storehouse of experience."

President Obama's "long form" birth certificate
In April 2011, Fuddy confirmed Obama's "long form" birth certificate as part of the state's effort to put to rest questions about whether he was really born in the United States.

"I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii," she said at the time.

A biography at hawaiihealthconnector.com said she was a recognized leader in the public health field and won numerous awards for her work. Her hobbies included singing in a church choir, "enjoying her cat Flint, and spending time with her grand nieces and nephews."

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[AluminumTheory]

....And the propagandists are already at the helm of this conspiracy theory.

Director Who Released Obama Birth Certificate Dies in Mystery Plane Crash

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Long form document stoked suspicions of forgery

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
December 12, 2013

The health director who approved the release of President Obama’s long form birth certificate, which some claim was a fraudulent document, has died in an unexplained plane crash in Hawaii, it was announced today.

Was Loretta Fuddy’s plane crash just a tragic accident, or did she have knowledge that the release of the birth certificate was nothing more than a staged PR stunt?

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[Pete Tar]

"unexplained plane crash"?
Is it?

 

[MikeC]

so far, yes, it is.

 

[AluminumTheory]

The one thing that I can see fueling most theories is the fact that Fuddy is the only one who was killed out of 8 or so people involved in the crash (as far as we know). Granted that is a miracle that most of them survives as most plane crashes are simply not survivable.

IMO, the birther thing has been thoroughly debunked. I recall a guy on youtube who very thoroughly explains everything about the document though I can't recall the location of the video ATM.

 

[solrey]

The cause of the crash was engine failure, but unless they can recover the wreckage there's no way of telling exactly what caused the turbine engine to fail. Sounds like Fuddy died of a heart attack from the stress. Even though she's the Health Director for Hawaii, she looks rather overweight in the pics I've seen, so I wouldn't be surprised if the autopsy finds she died of a heart attack induced by stress or shock. From the account of her deputy director and others, her deputy worked really hard to keep her calm so she may have been in shock or at least really freaked out. Kudos to the pilot for an otherwise successful emergency water landing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...269be0-62e4-11e3-af0d-4bb80d704888_story.html

 

[Joe]

The one thing that I can see fueling most theories is the fact that Fuddy is the only one who was killed out of 8 or so people involved in the crash (as far as we know). Granted that is a miracle that most of them survives as most plane crashes are simply not survivable.

IMO, the birther thing has been thoroughly debunked. I recall a guy on youtube who very thoroughly explains everything about the document though I can't recall the location of the video ATM.

Only here has it been debunked . Sheriff Joe says otherwise . Not that it matters. We are stuck with him to the end of his term . Unless he impeached I can always hope .

 

[AluminumTheory]

Only here has it been debunked . Sheriff Joe says otherwise . Not that it matters. We are stuck with him to the end of his term . Unless he impeached I can always hope .

It's been debunked by many others at many other places.


The whole series is kinda long. But he explains everything regarding the birth certificate.

 

[Joe]

It's been debunked by many others at many other places.


The whole series is kinda long. But he explains everything regarding the birth certificate.

until you get to the last one at 9:00 . He just says the layering is normal in PDF . Another fraud trying to sell a book . Actually the African thing is about the strangest thing on the whole thing .

 

[AluminumTheory]

Why? His father was African.

 

[TWCobra]

Granted that is a miracle that most of them survives as most plane crashes are simply not survivable.

Most are survivable. Take the 777 accident at SFO for example. Light aircraft as well. Provided you don't simply fly into a mountain or water at high speed, any sort of pilot control during crash means you have a reasonable chance.

 

[TWCobra]

Can I say here that, particularly in a land built by immigration, I cannot really understand the "you gotta be born here", requirement?

Seems pretty discriminatory if nothing else. Surely citizenship and commitment to the country should be the requirements?

 

[JRBids]

until you get to the last one at 9:00 . He just says the layering is normal in PDF . Another fraud trying to sell a book . Actually the African thing is about the strangest thing on the whole thing .

Layering is normal in a pdf. I'm sure I've even said here that I used to be an illustrator, and frequently my clients would scan in a chart or graph for me to draw for a book. Frequently the graph would be in black and white, with the graph LINE being a different color. The line would be on a different layer. Sometimes some of the type itself would be on a different layer, if a black and white image was scanned into a color copier.

JFDee hit the nail on the head in this post to you: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/contrail-question-for-skeptics.2783/page-5#post-79831

As for the "African" thing, what is so unusual?

Your distrust of the government colors ever opinion you post and you reinforce it with your selection of reading/viewing material.

 

[AluminumTheory]

Can I say here that, particularly in a land built by immigration, I cannot really understand the "you gotta be born here", requirement?

Seems pretty discriminatory if nothing else. Surely citizenship and commitment to the country should be the requirements?

The thing is that it's not even that cut and dry. Most constitutional scholars agree that Ted Cruz likely qualifies as a natural born citizen despite being born in Canada to an American mother. Granted, is not set in stone and some vetting would be required which I assume will be done if he decides to run.

In which case it will be interesting to see the hypocrisy that will surely surface from the tea party/birthed crowd. .

 

[Landru]

The thing is that it's not even that cut and dry. Most constitutional scholars agree that Ted Cruz likely qualifies as a natural born citizen despite being born in Canada to an American mother. Granted, is not set in stone and some vetting would be required which I assume will be done if he decides to run.

In which case it will be interesting to see the hypocrisy that will surely surface from the tea party/birthed crowd. .

John McCain was born in Panama.

 

[AluminumTheory]

John McCain was born in Panama.

But that was on a U.S. military base which is considered U.S. territory.

 

[Landru]

But that was on a U.S. military base which is considered U.S. territory.

Actually the key is:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however , would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen.

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[AluminumTheory]

From Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

Ted Cruz, a Republican United States Senator from Texas, has publicly expressed interest in running for president in the 2016 United States presidential election.[117][118] Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada,[119] to a "U.S. citizen mother and a Cuban immigrant father".[120] Although there are some uncertainties about the exact definition of "natural born citizen", Professor Chin (see above) believes that Cruz likely qualifies for the office.[120]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

Many commentators have expressed their opinion that Cruz is running for President in 2016.[99][100][101] On March 14, 2013, Cruz gave the keynote speech at the 2013 Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington DC.[102] He came in tied for 7th place in the 2013 CPAC straw poll on March 16, winning 4% of the votes cast.[103]

Cruz planned several speaking events for the summer of 2013 across Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina which are early primary states, leading to speculation that he was laying the groundwork for a run for President in 2016.[104]

As Cruz was born in Canada, various commentators from the Austin American-Statesman[105] and the Los Angeles Times,[106] discussed Cruz's legal status as a natural-born citizen. Because he was a U.S. citizen at birth (since his mother was a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. for more than 10 years as required by the Nationality Act of 1940), most commentators believe Cruz is eligible to serve as President of the United States.[10][10][107][108] After hearing that according to legal experts he is a dual citizen of Canada and the U.S., Cruz announced on August 19, 2013 that he would renounce his Canadian citizenship.[109]

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[Joe]

Layering is normal in a pdf. I'm sure I've even said here that I used to be an illustrator, and frequently my clients would scan in a chart or graph for me to draw for a book. Frequently the graph would be in black and white, with the graph LINE being a different color. The line would be on a different layer. Sometimes some of the type itself would be on a different layer, if a black and white image was scanned into a color copier.

JFDee hit the nail on the head in this post to you: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/contrail-question-for-skeptics.2783/page-5#post-79831

As for the "African" thing, what is so unusual?

Your distrust of the government colors ever opinion you post and you reinforce it with your selection of reading/viewing material.

Janet you seem to have to much faith in government it and clouds you thinking . I just thought the term which was used in the sixties would have been on the BC ? have never seen anyone produce a BC with African other then that one . No I dont by the kenya was not a country crap either . Either way were stuck with the moron for a few more years guess we will see if we elect another smuck for the Whitehouse ? IMO of course . Look up the approval rating for congress the president youll see you are in the minority .

 

[Joe]

Can I say here that, particularly in a land built by immigration, I cannot really understand the "you gotta be born here", requirement?

Seems pretty discriminatory if nothing else. Surely citizenship and commitment to the country should be the requirements?

So we dont get a manchurian candidate . Someone with no allegiance to our country like some anti colonialist with a big fat chip on his shoulder . Seems to make sense to me ?

 

[AluminumTheory]

Joe. The same could be said about you and your distrust in government. And don't take offence to what I'm about to say, but it almost seems that all someone has to do is suggest something negative about Obama or the government in general, and you'll believe it or at least take the claim as credible despite there not being any evidence to support it. Furthermore it seems that you'll cling to that notion regardless of how much evidence has been presented to debunk it.

It's just an observation, and I mean no harm by expressing it. I admit to once having similar sentiments about the world in general.

 

[Joe]

Joe. The same could be said about you and your distrust in government. And don't take offence to what I'm about to say, but it almost seems that all someone has to do is suggest something negative about Obama or the government in general, and you'll believe it or at least take the claim as credible despite there not being any evidence to support it. Furthermore it seems that you'll cling to that notion regardless of how much evidence has been presented to debunk it.

It's just an observation, and I mean no harm by expressing it. I admit to once having similar sentiments about the world in general.

No problem ! Its makes no difference whether or not he was born here . To me he sucks . my opinion of course . It will be funny when Cruz runs and the Libs do he same . I cant understand why anyone has faith in our government . You guys are in the minority there .

 

[Pete Tar]

Your logic is infuriating Joe.

Trusting or distrusting the government has absolutely bat-crap do with claims the birth certificate is fake being itself false - trust in the government does not change it being a load of wishful-thinking.

Thinking there's nothing wrong with the birth certificate does not equal blind trust in the government which you so trollingly insist on at every turn. Stop it.

 

[AluminumTheory]

I don't have faith in the government. Faith implies belief without evidence. I know that our government isn't always benevolent. I just think that if we're going to criticize as a means produce effective change; we need to focus on what is proven like the massive over reach of the NSA. Unfortunately it seems that the 9/11 truth movement along with the birthers, and many others seem to exist in larger numbers than any NSA protesting movement that I've seen. And that's pretty disappointing.

 

[TWCobra]

So we dont get a manchurian candidate . Someone with no allegiance to our country like some anti colonialist with a big fat chip on his shoulder . Seems to make sense to me ?

But sociopaths who sound convincing but are only out to further their own egos are OK?

Fairly weak reason there Joe. Being born somewhere doesn't necessarily make you more committed to a country than someone who wasn't. Immigrants, in my experience anyway, tend to appreciate their adopted country in ways others don't.

From what I have seen of the US political process, especially the presidential race, people get found out pretty quickly if they have something undesirable to hide.

The list of great Americans who don't qualify for the highest office by an arbitrary rule would be very thought provoking.

 

[Joe]

But sociopaths who sound convincing but are only out to further their own egos are OK?

Fairly weak reason there Joe. Being born somewhere doesn't necessarily make you more committed to a country than someone who wasn't. Immigrants, in my experience anyway, tend to appreciate their adopted country in ways others don't.

From what I have seen of the US political process, especially the presidential race, people get found out pretty quickly if they have something undesirable to hide.

The list of great Americans who don't qualify for the highest office by an arbitrary rule would be very thought provoking.

Well I wont disagree wtih you at all . Its not like we get the cream of the crop with those born here as well . If we quit elected lawyers that would help .

 

[Joe]

I don't have faith in the government. Faith implies belief without evidence. I know that our government isn't always benevolent. I just think that if we're going to criticize as a means produce effective change; we need to focus on what is proven like the massive over reach of the NSA. Unfortunately it seems that the 9/11 truth movement along with the birthers, and many others seem to exist in larger numbers than any NSA protesting movement that I've seen. And that's pretty disappointing.

You cant compare the Truthers and the Birthers . With the birthers its just wishful thinking that everything that has been signed into law would be null and void if he was found to be a fraud .

 

[MikeC]

I think you need to remember the era in which the Constitution was written - one where absolute monarchies were still quite common and the prospect of "aristocrats" taking over Govt was actually quite real (eg counter revolution in France, and through Europe & Sth America in the early 1800's).

My (amateur) understanding is that the US wanted to ensure that no "old world" class systems got into positions of power in the new world, and this was a fairly simple way of blocking the more obvious of them.

Cf the UK still blocks Catholics from being monarch, although the monarch is allowed to marry one!

which may be OK for the poms (although increasingly not I suspect) but is downright odd for us ex-colonies who have our own monarchy (in the sense it is enabled by local legislation not UK) embodied in the same person...which is odd enough in the 1st place - and we're all changing our own legislation to stay in step with the UK on this matter - triply odd!!

so no - I don't think the US provision particularly strange!

 

[AluminumTheory]

You cant compare the Truthers and the Birthers . With the birthers its just wishful thinking that everything that has been signed into law would be null and void if he was found to be a fraud .

I would agree with the latter part of that. But I wasnt comparing anything. I was just citing examples of various movements.

 

[TWCobra]

so no - I don't think the US provision particularly strange!

It is not strange in the context of which it was written. It is an anachronism though. Californians elected Schwarzenegger without much of a problem.

This guy makes some excellent points.

 

[JRBids]

Janet you seem to have to much faith in government it and clouds you thinking . I just thought the term which was used in the sixties would have been on the BC ? have never seen anyone produce a BC with African other then that one . No I dont by the kenya was not a country crap either . Either way were stuck with the moron for a few more years guess we will see if we elect another smuck for the Whitehouse ? IMO of course . Look up the approval rating for congress the president youll see you are in the minority .

How many birth certificates from Hawaii have you seen where one of the parents were from Africa?

You're stuck with someone you don't like in the white house for a few more years. Right. Get over it. Then you'll either be stuck again, or someone else will be. You can't make everyone happy.

By the way, you didn't acknowledge being wrong about the pdf layers.

 

[JRBids]

No problem ! Its makes no difference whether or not he was born here . To me he sucks . my opinion of course . It will be funny when Cruz runs and the Libs do he same . I cant understand why anyone has faith in our government . You guys are in the minority there .

Since many many many conservatives claimed BOTH parents had to be citizens in order for the child to be, and that Obama did NOT qualify because his father wasn't---I'll be more interested in seeing what the conservatives say if Cruz is nominated. Or their REACTION if the liberals bring up the same argument.

 

[Joe]

It is not strange in the context of which it was written. It is an anachronism though. Californians elected Schwarzenegger without much of a problem.

This guy makes some excellent points.

the election of Swh

How many birth certificates from Hawaii have you seen where one of the parents were from Africa?

You're stuck with someone you don't like in the white house for a few more years. Right. Get over it. Then you'll either be stuck again, or someone else will be. You can't make everyone happy.

By the way, you didn't acknowledge being wrong about the pdf layers.

I know nothing about PDF layers I just said at the end of the guys video he says its totally normal for them to be that way . whether or not the original was altered he wouldnt say . Then other experts on the other side say the opposite . So those on the left will belive what they want and those on the right who are going to get hammered by OBAMACARE could only wish the birthers are right . No either way we all get stuck . You just think your guys different but he seems to just be a continuation of the last guy .

 

[JRBids]

the election of Swh

I know nothing about PDF layers I just said at the end of the guys video he says its totally normal for them to be that way . whether or not the original was altered he wouldnt say . Then other experts on the other side say the opposite . So those on the left will belive what they want and those on the right who are going to get hammered by OBAMACARE could only wish the birthers are right . No either way we all get stuck . You just think your guys different but he seems to just be a continuation of the last guy .

I just believe there are layers because I've opened pdfs and found them myself. However, I've also opened pdfs and NOT found layers. So obviously there are other scanner settings that may affect whether or not layers are created.

 

[Joe]

Since many many many conservatives claimed BOTH parents had to be citizens in order for the child to be, and that Obama did NOT qualify because his father wasn't---I'll be more interested in seeing what the conservatives say if Cruz is nominated. Or their REACTION if the liberals bring up the same argument.

Well those in the birther community says he is not eligible . So that leads me to believe they are not as partisan as we think . It was Hillary that stated the birther movement against Obama .

 

[JRBids]

Well those in the birther community says he is not eligible . So that leads me to believe they are not as partisan as we think . It was Hillary that stated the birther movement against Obama .

The birther community isn't partisan? Regardless of the fact that Hillary questioned his eligibility, most of the people who are birthers I think are left wing also.

 

[Alhazred The Sane]

So we dont get a manchurian candidate . Someone with no allegiance to our country like some anti colonialist with a big fat chip on his shoulder . Seems to make sense to me ?

Er, the Manchurian Candidate was a citizen that had been brainwashed.

 

[TWCobra]

The ditching was filmed. Controlled flight into a placid sea. Eminently survivable.

 

[Mick West]

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/...rying_to_determine_Fuddys_cause_of_death.html

uddy was the sole fatality out of nine people aboard the Makani Kai Air flight that crashed in the water soon after taking off from Kalaupapa on Dec. 11.

A passenger and the pilot have said they were shocked to hear she didn't survive because she seemed fine in the moments after everyone got out of the plane and waited in the water for help to arrive.

It's been a week since an autopsy was conducted. Fuddy's funeral is scheduled today in Honolulu.

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Almost certainly a heart attack. Obviously ridiculous to orchestrate something like that for such an ordinary cause of death.

 

[Tobes]

Joe, actually it started as a rumor on Free Republic.

http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2011/06/secret-origin-of-birthers.html

An early promoter of the movement was Phil Berg, a Hillary supporter, but not someone with any connection to her campaign. Hillary probably looked into it (as did John McCain) and determined there was no there there.