Ghost moving blanket & pillow

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Wonko

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The whole video seems a bit off. From the mother's reaction and the fact that there's even a camera that just so happens to be perfectly situated to capture all this.

But I'm grasping to see how it was done. Maybe strings pulling on the blanket? But then what's causing the pillow to smush itself?



Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@magicalpoltergeist/video/7331605226463595822
 
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The blanket looks very like it's being pulled by a string.





The pillow, I can think of a few ways of doing that.
1) Something inflatable
2) String around the pillow inside the case
3) Something mechanical that could smush the pillow.

I think the simplest is the string around the pillow inside the case. Looking at it towards the end, it just looks like a string around the middle.


 
Most curious. The close-up video appears more like a small pet moving under the blanket, but that's clearly not the case when viewed from the full perspective. What's interesting to me is the movement (depressions) in second the pillow as the woman is getting out of bed. Her actions flow somewhat seamlessly, but the indentations on the pillow next to her appear to be slightly buffered and choppy at the same time.

And what is that noise at the end? Is that supposed to be snoring, or something similar, from the ghost?

Just to play devil's advocate: The woman's reactions don't strike me as being disingenuous, if she were truly used to paranormal activity in her home. Her behavior doesn't seem all that suspicious to me, or even indicative of a hoax attempt. Without a better understanding of the context or source of this video, having a camera in place seems perfectly reasonable if such things have occurred in the past.

Re: the string theory
Where would it be attached? There's an open door where you'd think the source of such pulling would have to be. I'm very skeptical of that explanation.
 
Jack Mallory said:
Where would it be attached? There's an open door where you'd think the source of such pulling would have to be. I'm very skeptical of that explanation.
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Strings don't have to be pulled in a single straight line. There can be a small attachment point on the doorframe and the puller is off to the side.

It's basically a magic illusion. If you spend a few hours on something, you can make it look good. Then you get a million views.
 
Cat (maybe ferret) under the blanket, maybe even another under the pillow, would explain the movements. But having a camera pointed at the bed at all seems ...well, either suspicious, or kinky.

What is the woman saying?
 
Jack Mallory said:
Where would it be attached? There's an open door where you'd think the source of such pulling would have to be.
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no, theres plenty of room at the foot of the bed and behind the bed headboard for a kid (or me) to be crouched down in those spaces and be pulling on something.
Technically hubby could be doing the pillow as you just need to be beside the bed in that space we cant see and reaching over. ie. the headboard is rather far from the wall.

you see when she leaves the bed, even though she is heading for the baby she goes out and around whoever is crouched at the foot of the bed.
I guess one could argue she is afraid of the bed so giving it berth.. but your infant would be your top priority i would think, so i would head straight for the baby myself.


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deirdre said:
ie. the headboard is rather far from the wall.

you see when she leaves the bed, even though she is heading for the baby she goes out and around whoever is crouched at the foot of the bed.
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Well observed on both points!


Mick West said:
Strings don't have to be pulled in a single straight line. There can be a small attachment point on the doorframe and the puller is off to the side.

It's basically a magic illusion. If you spend a few hours on something, you can make it look good. Then you get a million views.
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Perhaps the puller is behind the chair?
 
Ann K said:
Then she would have to be stepping over the string.
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To that point, note that the blanket moves again just a bit as she is getting out of bed... looks a bit early to be bumping into a string to the chair, I guess.

And of course we should recall that IF there were some issues stepping through/over the string, where ever it is, we would not see those takes, we'd only see the one where it all goes right.
 
John J. said:
Agreed.
She doesn't appear to react until the blanket has finished moving.
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actually rewatching, i think she seems pretty natural.

she might not have even noticed the blanket. she appears to react to the pillow only, as that's where she looks first. If i were watching a movie or reading a MB thread, i doubt i would notice a light weight blanket moving a bit. The pillow barely does anything when she looks at it and jumps a bit and keeps looking at it. kinda thinking, the person slipped a bit or bumped the bed when positioning for the pillow part of the prank.

now im wondering if she didnt know about the prank, and there was only 1 person tucked in to this hidden corner between the bed and the dresser. you could run a sting under the bed for the blanket. because the dresser edge is so close to the bed frame she likely wouldnt have seen me when she went to get the baby.*
And the wide berth she gives the bed end could just be that she smacked her knee on that sharp bed lip so many times! she knows to give it a wide berth. i had a platform bed as a teenager and it does hurt like hell when you smack into them!


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I'm a little leery of the "I don't think she's reacting naturally" argument. I don't buy the video, but people react differently to different things.
 
I don't think it's real of course, but as a friend of few sets of new parents disturbing your sleeping baby seems like something no parent I've met would do for a prank :)
 
The reaction is in my view just acting. If you see something moving under the duvet, would you not immediately look underneath? I would. Why would you "get scared" (of what?) and make a run. Totally made up and she deserves an acting award. And the husband pulling strings needs to get a day job.
 
Wonko said:
But I'm grasping to see how it was done.
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Gosh, well to me it looks the easiest thing in the world to fake. Attack hook on the end of a thread to top of sheet. Pull on thread. Hey Presto ! A poltergeist.

I mean, that is exactly what it looks like would happen if a thread and hook was attached....even down to the way the segment with the hook attached folds under the sheet from the force of being pulled. You can clearly see that just one small part of the sheet is being pulled...not pushed.

The effects with the pillow are just as easy to fake.
 
Jack Mallory said:
The woman's reactions don't strike me as being disingenuous
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I can't believe it takes her 4 seconds to even notice anything is happening, even though ( despite looking at her mobile ) the moving sheet would clearly be in her field of view. And to be honest, if something like that happened to my bed I'd be out of the house in a flash and leave the baby behind ( which is probably why I've never had kids ).

If there was really a ghost on the bed, she'd be protective of her baby and would be looking round to see what the entity was up to. But she never once looks round at the bed after getting off it...or when picking up the baby...or when leaving the room. To me that is not the reaction of someone who has some terrifying entity in the room....they'd keep a constant eye on it.

I've had an irrational fear of ceiling lampshades since being a kid. Crazy but true. When I go from the kitchen into the living room through the hallway at night when the wife is asleep, I keep a constant eye on the big lampshade in the hallway. I don't think a person would take their eye off something they found scary.
 
Same family.


Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@magicalpoltergeist/video/7368677427054185771


Notice how the little girl continues using her 'phone when her Mom seems startled by the movement / sound.
Surely most young kids get anxious or distressed if their parent is frightened or alarmed?

Don't like to be a naysayer, but I think there must be just a slight, merest hint of a possibility that maybe this is a deliberate hoax in pursuit of TikTok views or likes or whatever. :)
 
John J. said:
Notice how the little girl continues using her 'phone when her Mom seems startled by the movement / sound.
Surely most young kids get anxious or distressed if their parent is frightened or alarmed?
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things fall over. it was just the remote control falling off the couch arm.

well at least we know its a friendly poltergeist as it waited til the baby was out of the swing before it started pushing it hard.
 
John J. said:
Don't like to be a naysayer, but I think there must be just a slight, merest hint of a possibility that maybe this is a deliberate hoax in pursuit of TikTok views or likes or whatever.
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There's another such video immediately after the one you link to, where the woman is doing a tattoo ( it seems she is a tattooist ) and a chair moves. The customer flees the room, and the lady too. But when I look at it again, there's absolutely no reason for the customer to suppose a ghost is involved. OK so a chair moves a bit....but it might simply have been badly placed. I've had things fall over in a room, shelves fall off walls, things make odd noises, and so on...and my first reaction has not been ' Its a ghost....I need to flee the room'. Only last week a shelf that had been securely attached to a wall for 25 years just fell off onto the floor...and the wife and I just laughed.
 
deirdre said:
well at least we know its a friendly poltergeist as it waited til the baby was out of the swing before it started pushing it hard.
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We had a similar swing when my kids were little. You wind up a spring in the top bit, and it puts a little extra push into the swing with each"cycle" of swinging, using some sort of ratchet inside to control timing, to accelerate the mass of a swing and baby enough to overcome loss of energy to friction and what-not -- so the swing keeps going until the spring is unwound. If there is no baby in the swing, it is rather overpowered and and gets the thing swinging at an alarming rate of speed. All you'd need is to impart enough energy into the empty swing to get the ratchet to "click" that first time and get it going. We did it often enough by bumping into it when walking past and the like. If one wanted to do that for a ghoet video, it would be a great time to break out the string again and rig it up to give it a gentle tug from off camera to get it going.
 
MonkeeSage said:
you cant prove it wrong there fore ghosts
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I can try: it violates the laws of physics and/or logic.

Pushing matter requires interacting with charged particles (the way we do it is by having our electrons shells repel the other thing's electron shells, but I'm not assuming the ghost uses electrons) - this charged particle interaction is mediated by photons. From that, we conclude that the ghost interact with photons.

We can't see the ghost. From that we conclude that the ghost does not interact with photons.

You can't have it both ways. (Yes, this line of thought also means that the invisible man can't see anything, as the photons emitted by or bouncing off things pass right through where his invisible eyes are.)
 
FatPhil said:
...this line of thought also means that the invisible man can't see anything, as the photons emitted by or bouncing off things pass right through where his invisible eyes are.
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Wells seems to show some awareness of this problem in Chapter 20, where the eyes of an otherwise invisible cat retain visible retinas.
Wikipedia article on The Invisible Man by H.G. Wells (1897), the first well-known story of a man made invisible by (fictional) scientific means; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_Man.

(The Wikipedia article mentions the retina would receive light from all directions, this and the lack of a refracting lens would make clear vision unlikely.)
 
Wonko said:
The whole video seems a bit off. From the mother's reaction and the fact that there's even a camera that just so happens to be perfectly situated to capture all this.

But I'm grasping to see how it was done. Maybe strings pulling on the blanket? But then what's causing the pillow to smush itself?

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Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@magicalpoltergeist/video/7331605226463595822
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I could not help but notice the following clear evidence of hoax....

1) The lady never responds or moves during the first session of the sheet moving...........( 3 seconds duration )
2) The sheet stops moving and the lady gets out of bed immediately the sheet stops moving....as if the two are synchronised.....( 4 seconds duration for her to get out of bed, during which the sheet stops moving )
3) The very instant the lady is off the bed, the sheet starts to move again ( 2 seconds duration ).....as if the two are synchronised.

In other words, for 4 seconds the lady is too busy getting out of bed to operate whatever it is that is pulling the sheet....which I think is being operated via her phone.

You can see the lady pressing her phone ( which she keeps with her the entire time ) in synchrony with the sheet first moving. After 3 seconds she's too busy getting out of bed to press the phone. But then as soon as she's out of bed she presses it again. Just watch the synchrony of it all and you'll see what I mean.

In other words....

1) Lady is lying on the bed, presses phone ( which you can see happen ) and the sheet moves. Once she has pressed the phone her fingers do not move at all during the entire time the sheet is moving.
2) She can't press the phone while she is somewhat struggling to get out of bed...so the sheet stops moving for the exact 4 seconds it takes her to get out of bed. The two exactly coincide.
3) The moment she is out of bed she remembers to press the phone again, and the sheet moves a bit more.
 
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John J. said:
Notice how the little girl continues using her 'phone when her Mom seems startled by the movement / sound.
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I don't really get bothered about people filming fake paranormal videos unless they bring their kids into it, then it really bothers me, because either the kids are in on it and the parents are basically teaching them it's fine to lie for attention and money, or they are not and they are possibly being traumatized by the fake paranormal activity.
 
MonkeeSage said:
I don't really get bothered about people filming fake paranormal videos unless they bring their kids into it, then it really bothers me, because either the kids are in on it and the parents are basically teaching them it's fine to lie for attention and money, or they are not and they are possibly being traumatized by the fake paranormal activity.
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I agree, whole-heartedly, that children should not be drawn into a parent's deception. But there also have been cases where the children themselves have been the deceivers. In the case of what's referred to as the "Enfield Poltergeist", suspicions pointed to two sisters, aged 11 and 13, which coincidentally appear to be about the ages of the children seen in the video under discussion.
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Janet was detected in trickery: a video camera in an adjoining room caught her bending spoons and attempting to bend an iron bar.[10]​[11]​ Grosse had observed Janet banging a broom handle on the ceiling and hiding his tape recorder.[2]​ According to Playfair, one of Janet's voices, whom she called Bill, displayed a "habit of suddenly changing the topic—it was a habit Janet also had".[4]​ When Janet and Margaret admitted pranking to journalists, Grosse and Playfair compelled the girls to retract their confessions.[3]​ The two men were mocked by other researchers for being easily duped.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfield_poltergeist

In @John J. 's second video, one girl is on her phone, in a position to move a chair, and one is on the couch, from which a string could be pulled to rock the baby's seat. There may be other children in the household as well which are not seen.

This possibility that the kids are doing tricks does not, of course, exclude the mother's participation and/or instigation.
 
@MonkeeSage
There has been much anecdotal evidence that "poltergeist activity" very often centers on adolescent girls who are seeking attention. Another case, in which one of the debunkers was James Randi:
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Tina Resch, Psychic Teen
The incident began in 1984, when the foster parents of a fourteen-year-old girl named Tina Resch reported bizarre and unexplained events in their Columbus, Ohio, home. Poltergeist-like activity was going on, seemingly centered around the young girl. Objects such as telephones were flying and levitating, while framed photos dropped off walls and shook. Lamps and vases would fall off shelves, seemingly untouched. Televisions and other appliances would turn on and off on their own, even, allegedly, remaining active when unplugged. Tina was a troubled teen, and allegedly suffered continued abuse both in the foster care system and by Resches.
https://skepticalinquirer.org/exclusive/demons-and-saviors-revisiting-the-columbus-poltergeist-case/

Tragically, some years later she was convicted of murdering her own small daughter.
 
Ann K said:
@MonkeeSage
There has been much anecdotal evidence that "poltergeist activity" very often centers on adolescent girls who are seeking attention. Another case, in which one of the debunkers was James Randi:
External Quote:

Tina Resch, Psychic Teen
The incident began in 1984, when the foster parents of a fourteen-year-old girl named Tina Resch reported bizarre and unexplained events in their Columbus, Ohio, home. Poltergeist-like activity was going on, seemingly centered around the young girl. Objects such as telephones were flying and levitating, while framed photos dropped off walls and shook. Lamps and vases would fall off shelves, seemingly untouched. Televisions and other appliances would turn on and off on their own, even, allegedly, remaining active when unplugged. Tina was a troubled teen, and allegedly suffered continued abuse both in the foster care system and by Resches.
https://skepticalinquirer.org/exclusive/demons-and-saviors-revisiting-the-columbus-poltergeist-case/

Tragically, some years later she was convicted of murdering her own small daughter.
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oh Jesus
 
MonkeeSage said:
Wait are you telling me if I have kids they will be little shits. Cause I believe it. But they will be mines (can do no wrong).
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No, of course not, because you and I were perfect little children ...who have grown up to be responsible adults with mercifully short memories. But it doesn't escape my notice that in the case at hand, two or more adolescents might be expected to feel neglected and want more attention from a mother who has a new baby to care for. From the videos, though, it's hard to see how mom was unaware of the tricks.
 
Going OT a bit,
Ann K said:
There has been much anecdotal evidence that "poltergeist activity" very often centers on adolescent girls who are seeking attention.
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"Believers" have implied that poltergeists might be caused by the maelstrom of emotions/ hormones that adolescent girls are supposedly prone to. The actual mechanisms involved- e.g. how maturation causes psychokinesis, which one would think could be a useful ability at other times in life- and the fact that poltergeist reports are very rare, while adolescent girls, from all sorts of backgrounds and living in all sorts of home environments (not all happy or nurturing) are reasonably common, are not addressed.

Maybe some of the Enfield Poltergeist researchers (chiefly Guy Lyon Playfair, click for Wikipedia page and Maurice Grosse, likewise) simply overlooked that some girls can be as mischievous and resourceful -and sometimes, problematically disruptive- as some boys.
At risk of being a bit reductive, if an 11 year-old boy had started talking in a raspy voice and a toy flew across the living room in the average 1970s UK household, I suspect the most frequent maternal response would be along the lines of
"WAYNE! Will you stop doing that! I'm trying to watch Coronation Street."
 
Ok, I accidentally opened the tiktok video and the account. Well, that clears things up a bit! In other words, totally attention seekers.
 
Just a quick demo of pulling a blanket with some string.


I was using invisible thread, which isn't very strong. In my attempt to pull from a different angle it snapped. But any half-reasonable fishing line would do it. Or even full-on string, as it's not on camera.
 
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