Geoengineering with Rockets?

Jason

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my personal (outsider) opinion, is if they are going to hijack the term geoengineering, you should stick them to it. and if its inefficient under 60,000 feet for climate change then its inefficient. *

if they are spraying aluminum to sell Monsanto seeds then the planes need to be lower to have any effect.

* its also ridiculous to suggest America would spray for climate change (sun screening) OVER AMERICA. you'd think people would know our reputation by now. we would do it over another country.
OT: And in theory a rocket would probably work better at that altitude than a plane. It would be very easy to have re-useable rockets sent up to that altitude and release the chemical cocktail, rather than refitting planes.
 
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WeedWhacker

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OT: And in theory a rocket would probably work better at that altitude than a plane. It would be very easy to have re-useable rockets sent up to that altitude and release the chemical cocktail, rather than refitting planes.

Actually, this is not off-topic.

The concept (theoretically) for an attempt at influencing Earth's atmosphere WILL involve other vehicles than commercial passenger airliners.

However, as I usually attempt to convey and point out, ANY such endeavor is on such a scale as to be...well, GLOBAL. This means it encompasses many countries, and as such, is going to be a HUGE public event.

There is little doubt that the various 24-hour News networks would miss this.... ;)
 

Mick West

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Actually, this is not off-topic.

The concept (theoretically) for an attempt at influencing Earth's atmosphere WILL involve other vehicles than commercial passenger airliners.

However, as I usually attempt to convey and point out, ANY such endeavor is on such a scale as to be...well, GLOBAL. This means it encompasses many countries, and as such, is going to be a HUGE public event.

There is little doubt that the various 24-hour News networks would miss this.... ;)

Unless it's being done secretly, and/or the news media is silenced, as the theorists suggest.
 

Jason

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Unless it's being done secretly, and/or the news media is silenced, as the theorists suggest.
http://www.numberof.net/number-of-rocket-launches-per-year/
By the looks of it, it seems this will most likely become a widespread CT by the end of the decade because some are predicting there will be a 1000 launches a "day". Currently NASA sends up about a 1000 a year not counting other nations. It's hard to find an accurate total on the web including all nations and private entities.
 

Mick West

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Just saying NASA launches a 1000 a year. How many of them are televised or reported in the media. That's just NASA

1,000 a year? They only have 15 scheduled in the next six months:
http://www.nasa.gov/missions/schedule/#.U5MsTGQv-Gk

I don't see this becoming a conspiracy theory, as all the launches have a specific purpose with specific payloads. A rocket heading into space is not a very useful deliver mechanism for the stratosphere.
 
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Joe

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1,000 a year? They only have 15 scheduled in the next six months:
http://www.nasa.gov/missions/schedule/#.U5MsTGQv-Gk

I don't see this becoming a conspiracy theory, as all the launches have a specific purpose with specific payloads. A rocket heading into space is not a very useful deliver mechanism for the stratosphere.
Im sure its no where near a thousand but you cant just count Nasa any more . The last launch wasn't on their schedule since it was a private firm . May 16, 2014 • Delta 4 • GPS 2F-6
Launch Time: 8:03 pm EDT
Launch Site: SLC 37-B, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida
United Launch Alliance will launch a Delta 4 rocket that will carry the Air Force’s sixth Block 2F navigation satellite for the Global Positioning System.
 

Jason

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1,000 a year? They only have 15 scheduled in the next six months:
http://www.nasa.gov/missions/schedule/#.U5MsTGQv-Gk

I don't see this becoming a conspiracy theory, as all the launches have a specific purpose with specific payloads. A rocket heading into space is not a very useful deliver mechanism for the stratosphere.
Agreed but the fact that planes aren't suitable or a best method for geoengineering hasn't stopped the conspirators. You're right most rockets are used for leaving earth's orbit but rockets can have a multitude of payloads and detonate at a specific height. What were those high altitude test NASA was launching from Virginia or Maryland last year. I remember them making announcements to the public so people didn't panic if they saw vivid colors in the sky. I can't find it yet
 

Jason

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Just a thought. Does NASA and US Gov have to announce each rocket they launch. Are there certain international laws regarding this topic.
 
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Joe

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Just a thought. Does NASA and US Gov have to announce each rocket they launch. Are there certain international laws regarding this topic.
I dont think so but its pretty hard to keep that a secret .
 

Jason

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Im sure its no where near a thousand but you cant just count Nasa any more . The last launch wasn't on their schedule since it was a private firm . May 16, 2014 • Delta 4 • GPS 2F-6
Launch Time: 8:03 pm EDT
Launch Site: SLC 37-B, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida
United Launch Alliance will launch a Delta 4 rocket that will carry the Air Force’s sixth Block 2F navigation satellite for the Global Positioning System.
Great point. So what about the US Gov and their research facilities. Can they orchestrate their own launches or do they use NASA for everything. I'm sure out gov had to run rocket test each year to ensure our ballistic missiles work or new technology they come up with. Is there any governance over what gov's can launch each year.
 

WeedWhacker

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Just a thought. Does NASA and US Gov have to announce each rocket they launch.

Airspace restrictions, so yes this is known in advance (in the USA) via the NOTAM system.

Keeping in mind that the Vandenberg Launch Complex has dedicated restricted airspace (out over the ocean) already, but these areas go "hot" only for an active launch window (usually). Vandenberg is utilized for many secret D.o.D missions, and also for all Polar orbit insertion launches.

There is a "public" launch schedule, as well:
http://www.spacearchive.info/vafbsked.htm
 

Jason

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Airspace restrictions, so yes this is known in advance (in the USA) via the NOTAM system.

Keeping in mind that the Vandenberg Launch Complex has dedicated restricted airspace (out over the ocean) already, but these areas go "hot" only for an active launch window (usually). Vandenberg is utilized for many secret D.o.D missions, and also for all Polar orbit insertion launches.

There is a "public" launch schedule, as well:
http://www.spacearchive.info/vafbsked.htm
Are these rockets launched in good faith. Meaning who governs that these rockets are being used for the right reason or for R&D. Are there inspectors at each launch to ensure safety and that they are doing what they said they were going to do.
 

Mick West

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Geoengineering with rockets IS something that has been looked into. It's really not practical.

AuroraGeoReport.pdf (page 62 of 87) 2014-06-07 12-06-30 2014-06-07 12-06-32.jpg
 

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Jason

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Geoengineering with rockets IS something that has been looked into. It's really not practical.

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So in your expert opinion Mick, if geoengineering were to become a dire need in the future to help mitigate global warming, what would be the most likely scenarios for such a venture.
 
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