Here's a video of Putin taking one of John McCain's more insane statements in stride.
Looks like that's a subscribers-only article, Mick. Can you share a few pertinent bits?
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and other “dictators” may be “nervous” after the death of Libya’s Muammar Qaddafi, U.S. Senator John McCain said.
“I think dictators all over the world, including Bashar al-Assad, maybe even Mr. Putin, maybe some Chinese, maybe all of them, may be a little bit more nervous,” McCain said in an interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. late yesterday. “It’s the spring, not just the Arab spring.”
Qaddafi was killed yesterday after an eight-month armed conflict that left thousands dead.
There is a very popular video among conspiracy theorists of retired ex-General Wesley Clark talking about America invading seven Middle Eastern countries over a period of five years.
He is quoted with saying “We’re going to take out seven countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran”.
Obviously it has taken more than five years and not all of those countries have been invaded or will be invaded.
So what was Wesley on about and why do CT's cling to his words when he has been wrong?
I was introduced to Gen. Clark 2007 or 2008 in Chicago. Shook his hand. Exchanged small talk. All I can say is, I'm pretty sure that he's not one of those inter-dimensional reptile people.
... but really it's "the geopolitical status quo is changing, and the position of the old order of dictators and oligarchs is no longer as stable as it was a few years ago"
“The affirmative task we have now,” Biden said, “is to create a new world order, because the global order is changing again, and the institutions of the world worked so well in the post-World War II era for decades, they need to be strengthened, and some need to be changed.”
--Vice President Joe Biden April 2013 at the Export-Import Bank Conference in Washington, D.C.
Perhaps because it is not nefarious to everyone... which would account for certain politicians and elite executives, referring to, planning, executing and adapting it. Another name is Globalisation.Of course, there's no reason anyone would say "new world order" other than to refer to the nefarious one-world-government plot to subjugate all of mankind. It's kind of funny that the CT community thinks they've figured out that such a plot has a name, the "New World Order", and that public figureheads refer to it by that in public speeches going back 20+ years. Why they've waited(or, continue to wait) before executing this grand scheme escapes me.
Perhaps because it is not nefarious to everyone... which would account for certain politicians and elite executives, referring to, planning, executing and adapting it. Another name is Globalisation.
Do you deny that the E.U, U.N, Tri Lateral agreement, Globalisation, Bilderbergers etc are all working toward a world government, world economy, world banking and commerce and world police force?
Do you expect it to be created overnight or even in a few years... there is vast opposition which is gradually being overcome, some by negotiation, some by economic wars and some by military campaigns and subversion toppling governments which are opposed to it. Noticed anything going on in the M.E lately?
There is no doubt it has many advantages, (which is how it is being sold), however there is also no doubt it has many disadvantages as is self evident by the wars, rampant surveillance of citizens, (I mean consumers), a kleptocracy where the 'haves' have unassailable wealth and power, (the 1%) and the have nots have are used and abused, (80%) and then the 19% or so who are reasonably ok and happy to go along.
Nefarious is in the eye of the beholder as are many other things.
I fear we are digressing from the thread here, and I accept that I may have inadvertently contributed to that. Perhaps it would be better to move these posts to a more appropriate thread. If it is ok to proceed on this thread, i will respond later.Moving the goalposts. The core tenants of the NWO conspiracy theory are martial law, concentration camps, population control and other scary things for us supposedly worthless common folk.
"E.U, U.N, Tri Lateral agreement, Globalisation, Bilderbergers"(one of which is not even a group) are by your definition very powerful organizations. According to the conspiracies, they already control the entirety of the world's militaries and can pull off staged events without a hitch in order to shift public opinion. Surely the NWO would have already crippled the growth of the Internet to prevent the dissemination of information regarding their plot, to prevent this very sort of discussion from happening. Before you say such a thing would have been impossible, it's been possible for decades.
It's hard to believe an argument that every government in the world is in on it and making a concerted effort towards this goal but they didn't take such measures long ago.
If these organizations are making such a direct effort to disenfranchise the common man because it directly benefits them, then they're not doing a very good job:
There are much better, more reliable sources than wikipedia.
There was no more a genocide by the Serbs in Bosnia than there was by the Croatians. Just so happens that giving it that name enabled (through the ever compliant lamestream western media) NATO to step up its attack on Serbia - a Russian ally.
The 'ethnic cleansing' of 250,000 Serbs in the Krajina region of Croatia took place just one month after the Srebenica massacre. But no calls of 'genocide' there. Serbia was the 'official enemy'. The atrocities listed on wiki do not amount to genocide, they amount to the usual crimes that take place in any war, by all sides. It's another false meme created to manipulate opinion against the Serbs and for further realpolitikally motivated geo-political 'intervention'.
The Srebrenica massacre has taken on both symbolic and mythical properties, all in the service of political agendas. The symbol is of Serb evil, manifested in an alleged cold-blooded and unprovoked massacre of innocents reminiscent of Nazi behavior during World War II. The myth is that 8000 Bosnian Muslim “men and boys” were executed in the vicinity of Srebrenica in July 1995, and that any executions there were unprovoked and carried out in accord with a genocidal plan. Both facts and language have had to be aggressively massaged to support these claims. The political agendas served by the massacre claims were those of the Bosnian Muslims, striving to get NATO to enter the Bosnian struggle more actively, the Croats, who needed a demonization of Serbs to carry out their own ethnic cleansing plans (most notably, removing 250,000 Serbs from Croatian Krajina in the very next month, August 1995), and the Clinton administration, under attack for a failure to intervene more actively on behalf of the Croats and Muslims and searching for an excuse to do so.
I would have thought it obvious. The intent was there. Ever heard the phrase “The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.”So the CTers are now saying that since they know the timeline is all messed up on Clark's speech and that we really didn't invade seven countries from 2001 to 2006. They are saying that because Clark mentioned several countries that we have invaded thirteen years later. He is still right. How do you combat this twisted logic???
Simply put we didn't invade seven countries from 2001-2006. Why he would then say this in 2007 is beyond me and pretty idiotic. I think that's good enough.
1. Do you deny that the E.U, U.N, Tri Lateral agreement, Globalisation, Bilderbergers etc are all working toward a world government, world economy, world banking and commerce and world police force?
2. Do you expect it to be created overnight or even in a few years...
I would have thought it obvious. The intent was there. Ever heard the phrase “The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.”
So it didn't go to plan in the time frame and is still ongoing. It negates the plan not one jot. How many buildings go overtime and overbudget? Does that mean the original plans did not exist or that they did not eventually come to fruition? Some plans fail due to counterplans, unforeseen complications,
Why do you think there are charges on the statutes such as 'attempted', murder, robbery, blackmail etc. It is patently clear that the plan existed, was partially carried out and is still being actively and aggressively pursued.
But perhaps you would like to attempt to debunk that concept and show that the plan never existed, wasn't partially carried out and is NOT still actively and aggressively being pursued?
Of course it isn't but the intent is there and it is gaining power exponentially. What do you think all this spying and tracking the public and all massive wealth siphoning and all these wars are about... "bringing democracy and freedom to the oppressed"?So is the NWO all-powerful or not?
If they can pull off false flags in full public view in order to to drag the country into a decade-long war, what can't they do?
If they control the world's governments, militaries, businesses, and media, who exactly is putting such a large wrench in their plans that we've still seen leaps and bounds of progress with regards to human rights over the last century?
Does it really? Well you should know. According to you its 'nothing to see here... move along'... how convenient?Seems like moving the goal posts to me.
They are either demonstrably not all-powerful given the above, or they're not actually evil, or it's not actually real. Either way, it doesn't seem like something to worry about, considering that they control every institution in society and yet still don't seem to be enjoying the sort of success you describe as being their end goal.
Of course it isn't but the intent is there and it is gaining power exponentially. What do you think all this spying and tracking the public and all massive wealth siphoning and all these wars are about... "bringing democracy and freedom to the oppressed"?
They cannot control the world population at the moment because there is still strong resistance and billions of people see them for the scum they are and are fighting back but it is definitely still going their way.
Again, they do not control all the world governments and military... this is why there are so many wars going on at the moment and have been for decades... in order to bring them under their control.
You talk about human rights improvements as if they were benevolently bestowed. They were not. They were fought for and and blood was shed to acquire them and they will need to be fought for and more blood shed to stop them being removed as they rapidly are, along with the wealth grab. Also where are peoples human rights when they are being bombed back to the stone age an millions dying from starvation and toxic chemicals and water rights are being grabbed by huge corporations around the world like Nestle and being sold at 1000's of % mark up?
Does it really? Well you should know. According to you its 'nothing to see here... move along'... how convenient?
"Look into my eyes... sleeeep... sleeep... all is well... we come in peace... we are your friends... ignore the screams... they are the enemy.... join us and we will protect you so long as you obey"
Worldwide domination is indeed 'nothing new'. It has been attempted many times with varying success by different countries and religions and indeed corporations as instanced by the case with the British Raj:I'm sorry Oxy, but this reads like a lack of understanding of history. The world has already lived through centuries of governance that were much more akin to the kind of totalitarian domination you're describing. In fact, I think a redefinition of the phrase "new world order" is needed - the kind of "resistance" you're describing is the new world order. Old world capitalism and draconian governance are nothing "new" in any sense and are certainly not winning - I think we can agree on that much at least.
Additionally it seems you misunderstood parts of what I said. I never said that the "NWO" benevolently "bestowed" human rights improvements, but instead inquired as to why the would allow them to occur at all under their watch.
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