Futurism and Chemtrails

MikeG

Senior Member.
Dane Wigington recently posted another one of his revelations about the past history of geoengineering.

Climate Engineering And Polar Meltdown, How Long Has It Been Going On?

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/...polar-meltdown-how-long-has-it-been-going-on/


His evidence in this case focuses on a 1958 article featured in Popular Science entitled "Weather as a Weapon".

Many threads have addressed Wigington’s penchant for interpreting old theories, studies, speculation, or U.S. patents as iron-clad evidence of ongoing geoengineering efforts by the “global power structure.” The Popular Science article falls into the same category and is a fairly easy assertion to debunk.

I wanted to dwell on this part of history to add a little more context to the discussion.

People were fascinated by the possibilities offered by technology after World War II. Paul Boyer wrote a great book, By the Bombs Early Light: American Thought and Culture at the Dawn of the Atomic Age (Pantheon Books, 1985) that discusses this particular topic.

In the forties, we were captivated by the possibilities of atomic power. Theorists speculated that pea-size power plants could run cars and planes for years.

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In the fifties, the helicopter was the new wonder weapon.

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Frank Tinsley, “Let’s Use Helicopter Cavalry,” Mechanix Illustrated (April 1956): 72-77.

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/lets-use-helicopter-cavalry/


Robert B. Rigg wrote War—1974 in 1958 and offered a host of new innovations to combat, from flying tanks to resupply missiles.

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Some future predictions applied to the weather. H.T. Orvilled penned “Weather Made to Order?” for Collier’s Weekly in May 1954. The cover has appeared on Metabunk and other CT websites.

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I supposed that my point is fairly simple. At a time when the polio vaccine was conquering a chronic disease and the Mercury Program was just getting started, there was a much greater sense of optimism about how science and technology would affect the future than there is today.

It is sad to see this history shoe-horned into a chemtrail agenda the way it appears on geoengineeringwatch.org
 

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deirdre

Senior Member.
I think you might be better off debunking/explaining some of Geoengineering Watch's specific claims in the article you link. To more specifically debunk/explain the truth behind the articles intentional fear mongering.

Quick examples, Dane says
But his link is to Skepticalscience.
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If Dane actually read the article he would see the answer he cites has absolutely nothing to do with intentional geoengineering

bold mine

or here where Dane misleadingly claims (bold mine):


Total deception to hide this fact? The Popular Science article 1958 Dane cites seems to debunk that, no? Scientists have been talking about (and publishing about) Climate Change and what to do about it since early 20th century. "First calculations of human-induced climate change, 1896"

Was not Popular Science an extremely popular, mainstream newssource esp. back in 1958? How is that "hiding" anything?
 

MikeG

Senior Member.
I think you might be better off debunking/explaining some of Geoengineering Watch's specific claims in the article you link. To more specifically debunk/explain the truth behind the articles intentional fear mongering.

Quick examples, Dane says
But his link is to Skepticalscience.
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If Dane actually read the article he would see the answer he cites has absolutely nothing to do with intentional geoengineering

bold mine

or here where Dane misleadingly claims (bold mine):


Total deception to hide this fact? The Popular Science article 1958 Dane cites seems to debunk that, no? Scientists have been talking about (and publishing about) Climate Change and what to do about it since early 20th century. "First calculations of human-induced climate change, 1896"

Was not Popular Science an extremely popular, mainstream newssource esp. back in 1958? How is that "hiding" anything?

Fair enough. I'll make another pass through the Wigington article.
 

MikeG

Senior Member.
I took Deidre’s advice and went back through the geoengineeringwatch.org article cited in the original post. I did not cover all the mistakes and omissions, but here are a few representative samples.

Wigington is selective with his use of excerpts from the article.

However, he fails to cite the preceding paragraph, which notes testimony from Edward Teller before the Senate Military Preparedness Committee (my emphasis):

In other words, no one had any idea when or if such programs were possible.


Wigington follows with this:

It is interesting that the article also lists a number of other types of options beyond sodium vapor.

Aerial spraying is only one of a host of options being discussed in the fifties. They ranged from controlled thermonuclear reactions to “spreading heat-absorptive substances on the polar ice caps.” (page 56 of the Popular Science article). Dane is cherry picking the one option that fits his website.

Following the Popular Science article, Wigington offers additional evidence of the polar meltdown.

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This is recollection is attributed to a crewman aboard the USS Skate in 1959

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/

Here is a reference for the term polynyas, a naturally occurring phenomena.

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/characteristics/polynyas.html


Finally, Wigington creates a correlation with a document he posted earlier this year.

This report was covered in another thread

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-m...lobal-weather-modification.t6916/#post-167402

I mentioned this in an earlier post, but Dane Wigington cannot seem to make the distinction between climate and weather. Cloud seeding to increase rainfall or provide hail abatement is not the same as geoengineering.

In fact, cloud seeding is mentioned on page 56 of the Popular Science article.


Deidre covered a good number of other faults in the geoengineeringwatch.org piece and I thank her for the nudge to add more. ;)
 
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