Fuel dump from one wing?

[Trailblazer]

This video is doing the rounds:

https://www.facebook.com/100009445372215/videos/1513325742325590/

It appears to show a fuel dump from only one wing of a four-engined airliner (747?). I can't find anything about this incident on a search on this site. Any ideas for tracking it down?

 

[Trailspotter]

Search in Aviation Herald for "747 fuel dump" produced no results for November 2015, but there were a few in October and September:
http://avherald.com/h?search_term=747+fuel+dump&opt=1&dosearch=1&search.x=41&search.y=14

Cathay Pacific B744 at Delhi on Oct 30th 2015, bird strike

Lufthansa B748 near Frankfurt on Oct 24th 2015, hydraulic leak

Eva B744 at Atlanta on Sep 24th 2015, gear door problem, hydraulic leak

Delta B744 at Amsterdam on Sep 22nd 2015, engine shut down in flight

Virgin Atlantic B744 at Manchester on Sep 14th 2015, engine problem

Polar B744 at Leipzig and Dresden on Sep 10th 2015, burst tyre on takeoff

Delta B744 at Amsterdam on Sep 8th 2015, bird strike

United B744 at San Francisco on Sep 6th 2015, engine failure

 

[Trailblazer]

I found this video from 2014 of a one-sided 747 fuel dump, but it was the other side:


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZoDTPjAmjY

 

[M Bornong]

When it's from one wing, isn't that likely a pressure relief release? I think there was a similar discussion some time ago.

 

[Trailblazer]

When it's from one wing, isn't that likely a pressure relief release? I think there was a similar discussion some time ago.

Don't we have a 747 pilot here? @TWCobra

 

[Trailspotter]

When it's from one wing, isn't that likely a pressure relief release? I think there was a similar discussion some time ago.

Well, the duration of the video is 34 sec and there is neither the beginning, nor the end of the dumping fuel. Wouldn't this be a bit long for a pressure relief release?

 

[Mick West]

747 Fuel dumping from the main tanks is done with pumps. Possibly it was the result of a pump malfunction. The fuel from the other wing tanks could still be dumped via the center wing tank.

Some details on on the system here:
http://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/fsr-0178.pdf

 

[deirdre]

"747 fuel dump" produced no results for November 2015, but there were a few in October and September:

i think he could have shared the video from really anytime. I'm not finding any indication that he himself took it (he's in Quebec)

i did find this October 31 2015, although i dont see airfrance colors on the tail.

What moved the witnesses is that the aircraft was flying on one engine and made numerous back and forth.

...
immediately responded a former pilot who observed the scene from his home with binoculars. "In the second round, I saw the landing gear. It vidangeait its kerosene by the port wing. He then went off, passed over Ouessant (29), made four round south-west of the island. " Finally landing at Brest airport.
http://www.letelegramme.fr/bretagne...age-d-urgence-a-brest-01-11-2015-10833303.php

having trouble finding original pic source too.

http://www.crash-aerien.news/forum/le-paris-mexico-atterrit-a-brest-t31861.html?start=15

 

[TEEJ]

It is just an over pressure from that tank?

Boeing 737 (which is apparently incapable of dumping fuel) venting fuel due to over pressure.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufthansa/Boeing-737-330/1175298

 

[Trailspotter]

The dark paint the tail edge is compatible with the Cathay Pacific livery, the closest by the date incident in the above list (#2) http://avherald.com/h?article=48e91a91&opt=1 :

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Incident: Cathay Pacific B744 at Delhi on Oct 30th 2015, bird strike

By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, Oct 30th 2015 14:16Z, last updated Friday, Oct 30th 2015 14:16Z


A Cathay Pacific Boeing 747-400 freighter, registration B-LID performing flight CX-37 from Delhi (India) to London Heathrow,EN (UK), was climbing out of Delhi's runway 11 when the aircraft received a bird strike. The crew stopped the climb at FL100, dumped fuel and returned to Delhi for a safe landing on runway 11 about one hour after departure.

The airline confirmed a bird strike on departure.

The airport stated in response to reports of an engine (PW4062) fire by India's largest newspaper, that there had been no fire at all.

As one of the engines was thought to have been damaged and on fire, it is possible that fuel dump was carried out on the other side only. Perhaps, there could be a matching image found in the Indian sources.

 

[Trailspotter]

i think he could have shared the video from really anytime. I'm not finding any indication that he himself took it (he's in Quebec)

i did find this October 31 2015, although i dont see airfrance colors on the tail.

It looks like the Aviation Herald list of known incidents is incomplete. The Air France incident appears a more likely candidate, given the fact that the Facebook thread is mostly in French.
The tail paint also is compatible with the Air France livery. I found another photo of this fuel dump:
F-GITI by alexis boidron, on Flickr

Update:

Also, there is a dailymotion video of this fuel dump:

http://dai.ly/x3c40el

Source

 

[deirdre]

Also, there is a dailymotion video of this fuel dump:

nice. i was looking like crazy for another video. and youre right, i cant see any tail colors in that video either, must be a sun issue.

given the fact that the Facebook thread is mostly in French

he's actually in Quebec according to one of his posts. Luckily i didnt think of that initially so i googled "airfrance fuel dump"

 

[TWCobra]

Fuel dumps on aircraft like the 747-400 are generally done symmetrically, in that the drill is to set the fuel remaining value that you want and open both wing jettison valves. This initiates the pump sequence. You want the fuel out of the big centre wing tank first, followed by the fuel in the larger inboard wing tanks. The system will do this automatically.

Once the centre tank is empty and the system senses an imbalance between the two inboard tanks (main 2 and 3), it shuts down the pumps in the tank with the lower value until balance is restored.

I thought that this would be the answer here but the schematic reveals a fuel cross flow manifold in the system that should still have fuel coming out of both jettison valves in this situation. It is pictured just above the STAB tank.

So the only real answer here as far as I can see is that one of the jettison valves failed to open.

 

[Mick West]

So the only real answer here as far as I can see is that one of the jettison valves failed to open.

I agree, that seems to be the only plausible explanation. No matter what other valves or pumps operate it's all going to the Jettison/Fueling manifold. Then if either of the jettison nozzle valves are open it will come out. There's no other way of making it come out of just one side.

http://www.meriweather.com/flightdeck/747/over/fuel-layout.html

 

[Trailblazer]

Look-up.org.uk has adopted a still from this video as its cover photo.

https://www.facebook.com/LookUpOrgUk/?pnref=story

 

[Stewart Kay]

F15's fuel dumps after aborted (training mission?) reverted back to Lakenheath on January 4th '22

I was at my Brothers house and then the usual roaring coming over. Nothing new there. Like i said before i live under the Litchfield corridor (milatary flypass) But at the usual altitude 12000 / 14000 ft when passing here, never any contrails just a watchful eye if you see them, and we did. Fuel dumping.
Terrible image the exitement got over the photo's i could have done. Hawawi P30 pro (i know i should have zoomed as its got quite good zoom potential)

I cant get ADSB History but if you can its Jan 4th at 15:08 GMT over Cannock UK

 

[flarkey]

I cant get ADSB History but if you can its Jan 4th at 15:08 GMT over Cannock UK

Here's a screenshot from ADSB exchange of the F15s over Cannock at that time.

 

[Stewart Kay]

Flarkey, thanks alot. I wonder tho why the quick turn around and dump? Weather was cold but fine.