Ferguson. News, Accuracy, and Errors

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Mick West

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The previous Ferguson thread went a bit off the rails and has been archived. However it's too big an event to ignore. I'm starting this thread so people can post news about the ongoing events, and discuss the accuracy of the facts claimed in that news.

Please avoid general discussion of bias, racism, predictions, speculation, or the rights and wrongs of the situation. Facts only please.

Remember there are many eyes on this situation. So from a Metabunk perspective it's best to focus specifically on things that might lead to conspiracy theories.
 

Mick West

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It is my understanding that
- the officer claims the final act of Michael Brown was bull rushing that officer.
- there is a bullet wound to the top of Michael Brown's head.

I'd appreciate if you don't post "understandings" (too much like opinions), but instead post actual evidence. i.e. linked quotes from reliable sources.
 

Jason

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CNN does a good job of discussing "what we know" vs what questions are left unanswered. They are also holding a townhall style meeting tonight to discuss the shooting of Mr. Brown and CNN will air it live.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-michael-brown-dueling-narratives/.
 

JeffreyNotGeoffrey

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I would be more inclined to believe the police if they weren't hassling reporters on the scene. If they are doing everything above board, then wouldn't they want the world to see how they are doing. Instead they arrested those two reporters (from the Huffington Post and the Washington Post) http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ashington-post-reporter-arrested-in-ferguson/
Then there was the arrest of a photographer from Getty Images arrested the other day. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...y-photographer-arrested-scott-olson/14265155/

These two incidents look very bad. That the police is blatantly violating freedom of the press and trying to blind the public's eye is telling. Again if they are doing things right, why do they fear outsiders seeing what it is they are doing... unless what they are doing is wrong.
 

Mick West

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I would be more inclined to believe the police if they weren't hassling reporters on the scene.

Inclinations are not too useful here. Someone could equally say they would trust the media more if they'd stop disregarding police instructions and getting themselves arrested for the story. Then we'd just have a big inclination-off.

Please avoid subjective interpretations of contentious events. That's not what Metabunk is for.
 

Jason

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I would be more inclined to believe the police if they weren't hassling reporters on the scene. If they are doing everything above board, then wouldn't they want the world to see how they are doing. Instead they arrested those two reporters (from the Huffington Post and the Washington Post) http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ashington-post-reporter-arrested-in-ferguson/
Then there was the arrest of a photographer from Getty Images arrested the other day. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...y-photographer-arrested-scott-olson/14265155/

These two incidents look very bad. That the police is blatantly violating freedom of the press and trying to blind the public's eye is telling. Again if they are doing things right, why do they fear outsiders seeing what it is they are doing... unless what they are doing is wrong.
I'm sure there are two sides to every story, but with respect to the Washington Post and Huffington Post reporters it seems like they were somewhere they should'nt have been, and even admit as much. Protest are heated at times and I'm sure with all the scrutiny the police were under they didn't have time for nonsense. The police were using the McDonalds like a forward base of sorts because it's in a perfect location to deal with the riots. Police told the reporters he couldn't guarantee their safety (from the violence not police), and then after returning he demanded that ALL members of the media to leave immediately. There's a great deal of tension in those situations and reporters don't always listen to the authorities while trying to record or catch that one extra shot.
And I'm sorry but for those of you who've never been arrested before or put in handcuffs, it always feels demeaning and always feels like they are "doing it to hard or tight". There is no "nice" way to arrest an individual, and it doesn't matter who you are when being arrested, everyone gets treated the same way. No harm was done because the Police Chief let them leave without charging them of a crime or for interfering with police business.
 
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occams rusty scissor

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I would be more inclined to believe the police if they weren't hassling reporters on the scene. If they are doing everything above board, then wouldn't they want the world to see how they are doing. Instead they arrested those two reporters (from the Huffington Post and the Washington Post) http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ashington-post-reporter-arrested-in-ferguson/
Then there was the arrest of a photographer from Getty Images arrested the other day. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...y-photographer-arrested-scott-olson/14265155/

These two incidents look very bad. That the police is blatantly violating freedom of the press and trying to blind the public's eye is telling. Again if they are doing things right, why do they fear outsiders seeing what it is they are doing... unless what they are doing is wrong.

Examine the reasons they were arrested, and remove the hyperbole printed. The police entered the McDonalds and ordered everyone out. That includes media who do not get special leave from lawful instructions. In asking them to leave that specific area police are not preventing the reporter from continuing to do his job, just go to another area. But he chose instead to argue the point about video taping and stood there long after the cop gave him plenty of warning and time to move. Watch the video and count how many times he was asked to leave without compliance. It should be pretty clear why he was removed.
 

JeffreyNotGeoffrey

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Examine the reasons they were arrested, and remove the hyperbole printed. The police entered the McDonalds and ordered everyone out. That includes media who do not get special leave from lawful instructions. In asking them to leave that specific area police are not preventing the reporter from continuing to do his job, just go to another area. But he chose instead to argue the point about video taping and stood there long after the cop gave him plenty of warning and time to move. Watch the video and count how many times he was asked to leave without compliance. It should be pretty clear why he was removed.


They were told to leave because the police couldn't protect them. They said they were fine with that. The McDonald's was still open. So why weren't the workers told to leave. Just order the McDonald's to close. No they focused on the reporters for some unimaginable reason and proceeded to rough them up a little to prove a point. It was also telling that they didn't charge them with anything. Quite odd if they were doing something wrong, to be arrested and not charged. The cops won't even admit they were arrested. Almost as if they were taken into protective custody against their will. Odd how the police have to violate rights to keep the peace.

And it would be different if this was an isolated incident, but as has been reported, many other photographers and journalists from all sorts of publications have been harassed or arrested or cuffed by over zealous police.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...erguson-arrest-and-threaten-more-journalists/

And here's a more comprehensive article about the various arrests which watch dog groups are calling a concerted effort to blind the world to what is going on in Ferguson.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-journalists-arrested/index.html
 
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Jason

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They were told to leave because the police couldn't protect them. They said they were fine with that. The McDonald's was still open. So why weren't the workers told to leave. Just order the McDonald's to close. No they focused on the reporters for some unimaginable reason and proceeded to rough them up a little to prove a point. It was also telling that they didn't charge them with anything. Quite odd if they were doing something wrong, to be arrested and not charged. The cops won't even admit they were arrested. Almost as if they were taken into protective custody against their will. Odd how the police have to violate rights to keep the peace.

And it would be different if this was an isolated incident, but as has been reported, many other photographers and journalists from all sorts of publications have been harassed or arrested or cuffed by over zealous police.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...erguson-arrest-and-threaten-more-journalists/

And here's a more comprehensive article about the various arrests which watch dog groups are calling a concerted effort to blind the world to what is going on in Ferguson.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-journalists-arrested/index.html
How are they being prevented from covering the unfolding story, when they have become the story? I'm sorry but the entire article in the WP is about the reporters and little about the events that are unfolding in the city, and that's not because they spent a few hours behind bars or in a police car. I don't understand why the reporters consistently interfere with police business, and then wonder why they police had to remove them from the area.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media...will-continue-to-arrest-reporters-194162.html
 
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occams rusty scissor

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They were told to leave because the police couldn't protect them. They said they were fine with that. The McDonald's was still open. So why weren't the workers told to leave. Just order the McDonald's to close. No they focused on the reporters for some unimaginable reason and proceeded to rough them up a little to prove a point. It was also telling that they didn't charge them with anything. Quite odd if they were doing something wrong, to be arrested and not charged. The cops won't even admit they were arrested. Almost as if they were taken into protective custody against their will. Odd how the police have to violate rights to keep the peace.

I didn't see where it said the McDonalds was still open, nor whether staff were asked to leave. Watch the video- they were telling everyone to leave, they're saying to everyone "grab your stuff, let's go" and told them several times clearly to do so, but the reporter just stands there filming clearly against instructions. Little wonder he is arrested in the end. I didn't see anywhere in the video where he was "roughed up", can you provide clarification? Other than the reporter saying so?

Being arrested under a breach of the peace is common here, where under certain criteria a person can be removed and released without charge, I'm not sure what legislation in the US is like regarding that. It may not be their safety the police are removing them for, look into the legislation and it may become clearer.

Again, this is not an attempt to "blind the public", as this event will be reported upon, there's no way to quietly riot. And just because someone is arrested doesn't mean their rights are violated because they object to an instruction given to them by police. They are free until the law is broken. During emergency situations (like riot) police are hardly going to stand around and debate matters of constitution with a reporter who seems to want to inflame the situation by doing the wrong thing and then complain when arrested.
 

Mick West

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Please stay with specifics here. Avoid more general interpretation. i.e. what actually happened, not guesses about motives.
 

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Jason

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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...on-police-never-filed-incident-report-n186431
Article explaining why Ferguson Police didn't file an incident report. They immediately handed it over to St. Louis County police, and the media and critics have questioned why they would release an incident report for the "alleged" strong arm robbery but not for the murder of Michael Brown (police shooting).
 

KAT

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/suit-claims-police-brutality-ferguson-protests-25166263
 

Jason

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/suit-claims-police-brutality-ferguson-protests-25166263
The police were just doing their job, and we have no proof the police used racial slurs besides the word of the person who's suing them for 40 million dollars...
 
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