Facebook chemtrail "whistleblower"

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TWCobra

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https://www.facebook.com/madisonstar.moon/posts/346799788784095
Scanning the comments on the announcement on her timeline there is the obligatory comment that
Madisonstar Moon I do have to be careful as MetaPUNK is s****** bricks right now lo
However, this comment failed to raise any red flags amongst her followers, and really I think it should.

Madisonstar MoonFrom our whistleblower which we will now refer to as "7" will be discussing many things. such as (7 writes) : "Based on my experiences inside SAG in the early days of deployment as a computer (Unix) Systems Administrator and my involvement and discussions with physicists from all over the world while I worked there and why I left that job. I worked on configuring the computers that were doing realtime sampling of data collected on SAG when experiments were run on the RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider)." I don't want to discuss anything further as to the details of the broadcast for our protection.
I actually tried to warn Madison about whistleblowers after the Max Bliss thing. While i will be interested to hear the interview, I think this will end badly for her.
 
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Sausalito

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Hmm... let's hope that this isn't a CT trying to bolster their argument with outright fabrication as a response to Max's "Hornblower" debacle.
 

Ross Marsden

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That does not look genuine. I think she is being strung along, duped, railroaded, ... what's the word? Trolled! Yes, I think she is being trolled.

Why?
Do Systems Administrators (in any OS) not call themselves "Systems Administrator"?
Physicists? OK, maybe.
What about "sampling of data collected on SAG when experiments were run on the RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider)"?
At this place? http://www.bnl.gov/rhic/ Really?

That first "sentence" is not actually a sentence.
"Based on my experiences [some place, sometime working as something] and my involvement with [some people] while I worked there and why I left [...]."
It's all a big introductory phrase for ... nothing!

I'd like to see more. Just to be sure.
 

Mick West

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I message Madison, telling her it looked like a hoax, and it was nothing to do with me. Seems like she's been offline for a while though.
 

Ross Marsden

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Oh, no... I reckon there will be an avalanche of these now... all fake, all hoaxes.
This conspiracy theory has been begging for it for years.
 

David Fraser

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Oh, no... I reckon there will be an avalanche of these now... all fake, all hoaxes.
This conspiracy theory has been begging for it for years.
I should not admit this but I had considered a Youtube hoax indirectly. My eldest daughter is in her final year of Film Studies at uni. She is planning on making a film about a day in the life of a NWO henchman. She has gained access to use one of the aircraft at the local airports visitors park and I will leave the rest to your imagination. It looks like that is on hold as we are exploring the concept of an animation using my collection of dolls, something along the lines of Action Man takes on Chemtrailing Ken and Barium Barbie.
 

stars15k

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Mick, this really shouldn't surprise you...in my research any "suspicious" entity, like NASA or NOAA, anything remotely military, major universities, pilots, airline mechanics, aviation engineers, refuelers, air traffic control, any kind of educated scientist, meteorologists, and anyone else who uses facts to question their beliefs are viewed as being part of the great "them", and therefore not to be trusted. It seems all that anyone needs to be credible within the "chemtrail" community is state that "chemtrails are real." When "chemtrails" are real because you looked up and saw them, little things like facts do not matter at all.
 

Mick West

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It doesn't surprise me. It's saddens and annoys me. People with enough energy to try to promote change are wasting that energy on nonsense.
 

DieKnowSoar

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Yeah, just wanted to post the full thing here, so she can't claim she was tricked.
https://www.facebook.com/madisonstar.moon/posts/347308675399873


It's unfortunate that the level of distrust make her believe the opposite of whatever I say.
Since when is questioning sources a bad thing one is tricked into? You'd think in light of what just happened with Max she would be extra cautious about this sources honesty.

My guess is that it is Moon trying to lend credibility to the cause given the recent wistleblower hoax. I predict
1. It never happens
Or
2. This whistleblower makes nothing but claims verifying what is already part of the chemtrail doctrine, provides no documentation or evidence to back it up and never comes out but remains anonymous. Then it will be latched onto by believers as a victory for the cause and further proof chemtrails are real.
 
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Mick West

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She had a "whistleblower" on a while ago. I think he might have been the guy at the end of the Joe Rogan episode (with anti-matter in the magnetosphere). He was talking about cell phone towers. I only listened to a snippet.
 

Mick West

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https://www.facebook.com/madisonsta...comment_id=1640614&offset=0&total_comments=13
It's a scam Madison. It will either be:

A) A person who has nothing new, and just gives you a bunch of old stuff like "Owning the Weather in 2025"
B) A person who makes stuff up for "the lulz", a troll basically.
C) A person who is making stuff up because they think it illustrates the importance of checking sources.
 
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Strawman

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Huh? How is contacting her and telling her about frauds a sign of being afraid?

I hope once the hoax blows up she remembers who her real friends were. Even if she doesn't see them now.
 

David Fraser

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Huh? How is contacting her and telling her about frauds a sign of being afraid?

I hope once the hoax blows up she remembers who her real friends were. Even if she doesn't see them now.
I will be really careful what I say but I can imagine that this will just make her more paranoid. After reading, and listening, to her stuff over the past months I suspect there is more going on than just a belief in chemtrails. I do think that this is an occasion for debunkers to distance themselves. I think she is been set up for a big fall and the CT community will just watch.
 

Jay Reynolds

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Madisonstar MoonFrom whistleblower "7" : "I've sat on this information and have tried to tell my friends about the dangers of chemtrails which has cost me a lot. I don't say much to people anymore. That's why I seek out people on FB to network with that are "AWAKE". You're a kind and generous person Madison. I can hear in your voice your sincere tone of speaking. I want to help, I am totally committed to the truth. It's a crazy time we live in with Morgellons and HAARP out there. I have to remain anonymous. You should also know that the last thing you have to worry about is me being any type of fake. I'm the real deal as they say. The proof is there. Now I'm seeing chemtrails in TV commercials and movies and it sickens me. I will remain anonymous, but I want to stand up and speak out against this cover up."
Madison, the flattery is there, he is telling you what you want to hear. He is setting you up as the hero in your own mind. Unless he comes to the table with real documents, this is a con of some kind. My advice would be to ask for documentation first before you run with something like this. Real whislteblowers don't expose themselves like this until the irrefutable documentation is in place ready to show. The Chief of Police doesn't publish anonymous letters from mafia figures before he hands down an indictment, does he? Think here, who benefits if a whistleblower exposes himself before e actually has something to expose? All signs of a con. He has likely already done some flattery and sent you something which might look documentary to you but in the end will be nothing. Word.
 

Leifer

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Mick Westis post: 60359 said:
htitps://www.facebook.com/madisonstar.moon/pstrive forstsHonest347308675399873?comment_id=1640614&offset=0&total_comments=13
It's a scam Madison. It will either be:

A) A person who has nothing new, and just gives you a bunch of old stuff like "Owning the Weather in 2025"
B) A person who makes stuff up for "the lulz", a troll basically.
C) A person who is making stuff up because they think it illustrates the importance of checking sources.
I will second this opinion, though I have come to similar conclusions on my own, a few days ago.

If is discovered to be a hoax, unfortunately it will be unjustly tied to debunkers....with no proof whatsoever that it originated here.
I recommend that if anyone here attempts such a hoax, that they be banned and/or made to show proof it was a misguided lone attempt.
Such hoaxes are dishonest and only serve to widen the divide of the efforts many of us strive for.

Complete honesty and transperency is the only way to strenghthen an argument.
 
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Hama Neggs

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Huh? How is contacting her and telling her about frauds a sign of being afraid?

I hope once the hoax blows up she remembers who her real friends were. Even if she doesn't see them now.
It's just the core of her belief system that there is an enemy, which is evil, and "we" are it. I don't see how that could ever change. It would be too cognitively dissonant.
 

Leifer

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It's just the core of her belief system that there is an enemy, which is evil, and "we" are it. I don't see how that could ever change. It would be too cognitively dissonant.
It's the easy prescription, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem"
.....but without examining the problem nearly enough.
It's all too similar to a kind of idealistic racism.
 

Mick West

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I will second this opinion, though I have come to similar conclusions on my own, a few days ago.

If is discovered to be a hoax, unfortunately it will be unjustly tied to debunkers....with no proof whatsoever that it originated here.
I recommend that if anyone here attempts such a hoax, that they be banned and/or made to show proof it was a misguided lone attempt.
Such hoaxes are dishonest and only serve to widen the divide of the efforts many of us strive for.

Complete honesty and transperency is the only way to strenghthen an argument.
Indeed, which is why I'm making it as clear as possible to Madison that I think it's a hoax, and it did not come from me, or Metabunk.

At least she's actually reading my warnings, so she can't claim to be unaware of them.

https://www.facebook.com/madisonstar.moon/posts/347663465364394
 
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Strawman

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Hmm, I wonder what would happen if someone here talked about Madisonstar Moon the way people are talking about Mick et al. over there.

Interesting how they can "see through the web of lies" but don't point out the specific lies. They never do. One could wonder...
 

Mick West

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Interesting how they can "see through the web of lies" but don't point out the specific lies. They never do. One could wonder...
I ask all the time what is wrong on my sites. The most common answer is "all of it", or nothing. I think I've had about two actual corrections in six years.
 

TomC

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If I was a chemtrails whistle blower, I would just go straight to a journalist. There is no logical reason to go to an "activist". Especially one like Madison. Why would you? What can she possibly offer that can help you? She has no power or influence on the general public, only a tiny group of people who already agree with the theory
 

Leifer

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If I was a chemtrails whistle blower, I would just go straight to a journalist. There is no logical reason to go to an "activist". Especially one like Madison. Why would you? What can she possibly offer that can help you? She has no power or influence on the general public, only a tiny group of people who already agree with the theory
I'm feeling the same way.
If you have really important whistle-blower info...expose it to a publicly credible source - a source that has connections to a wide audience, where it will reach the most people, not to a fringe group.........expose it to a group wider than Madison's fans or any other chemtrail leader's fans. Expose it to the public. (that is her/their goal anyways, correct ?....expose it to the public ?)
Or (if afraid it will be squashed) expose the info to both....and here.....and everywhere. Why not ? ....if it is the truth ?
Real, forthright whistle-blowing is not a whisper in someone's ear.
There is only one honest story (sometimes called a "truth")............but there are many lies, fabrications, and misunderstandings.
Which is it ?
 
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David Fraser

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I found a thin reference to SAG at the RHIC here
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/econf/C930928/papers/023.pdf

and SRM here

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-wrap/getdoc/slac-pub-14709.pdf

Not what we are thinking btw.
 
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Mick West

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Based upon the most recent "whistleblower" post, I'm leaning towards:

A) A person who has nothing new, and just gives you a bunch of old stuff like "Owning the Weather in 2025"

https://www.facebook.com/madisonstar.moon/posts/348091718654902
(paragraph breaks added for readability)

Too early to tell, but it's quite possible it's a person who believes that what they are reading has significance. Dubious if they actually worked at BNL, of have just read stuff about it. But it's quite possible. IT people have the same mix of people as elsewhere.
 

Mick West

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Although based on the docs that Dave found above, it could be a deliberate attempt to confuse with technical papers with the SAG and SRM acronyms. Either way it's totally bogus.
 

Miss VocalCord

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Based upon the most recent "whistleblower" post, I'm leaning towards:
Too early to tell, but it's quite possible it's a person who believes that what they are reading has significance. Dubious if they actually worked at BNL, of have just read stuff about it. But it's quite possible. IT people have the same mix of people as elsewhere.
One thing I'm wondering is this; the whistleblower talks about the RHIC as they were running simulations on it:
That doesn't sound very likely, or am I misunderstanding something?
 
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Belfrey

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Too early to tell, but it's quite possible it's a person who believes that what they are reading has significance. Dubious if they actually worked at BNL, of have just read stuff about it. But it's quite possible. IT people have the same mix of people as elsewhere.
I find it very hard to imagine that someone who worked at RHIC, even just as an IT person, could think that it had anything at all to do with studying or spraying stratospheric aerosols. What sort of connection could one possibly make between a particle collider and atmospheric spraying? That alone makes me think that this is a hoaxster.
 

Mick West

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One thing I'm wondering is this; the whistleblower talks about the RHIC as they were running simulations on it:
That doesn't sound very likely, or am I misunderstanding something?
Nothing there suggests simulation to me. Realtime sampling would refer to recording the data from particle collisions.

BNL does have an extensive climate change program that studies aerosols, including sampling flights.
http://www.bnl.gov/envsci/

And this famous plane:
http://www.bnl.gov/discover/Spring_05/skies_1.asp


However I don't see any connection between RHIC and the climate research.
 
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Mick West

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BNL's Aerosol Program:
http://www.bnl.gov/envsci/arm/TCAP/
This has frequently been misunderstood by the chemtrail crowd, who take any mention of "aerosols" as being synonymous with "chemtrails". Of course here the word "aerosols" just refers to clouds, natural dust (dirt, minerals and sea salt), and ordinary smoke and pollution.

The vast majority of the audience has trouble understanding this, which allows hoaxers to pass this off as something significant.
 

Miss VocalCord

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Nothing there suggests simulation to me.
No, I see now, my mistake.

However I don't see any connection between RHIC and the climate research.
I think that was my main point there; It seems like he/she is trying to make some connection between the RHIC and the climate research, that doesn't make sense to me, probably just have to wait and see what comes next.
 

Soulfly

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Is it possible this whistle blower is confusing particle (subatomic particles) with particulate?
 

Mick West

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Is it possible this whistle blower is confusing particle (subatomic particles) with particulate?
Possible. There's also the "cloud chamber" used in older particle collision experiments. Although I think the RHIC uses more complex detectors.

It's unclear they are intentionally or unintentionally misinterpreting the wealth of info regarding BNL. If I were to bet, I'd go with unintentionally. But I would not bet much.
 

FreiZeitGeist

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I find it very hard to imagine that someone who worked at RHIC, even just as an IT person, could think that it had anything at all to do with studying or spraying stratospheric aerosols. What sort of connection could one possibly make between a particle collider and atmospheric spraying? That alone makes me think that this is a hoaxster.
There is a connection between an other collider and aerosoles. At CERN (With their Large hadron collider LHC) they made an cloud-chamber-experiment named "CLOUD". This experiment is realtive popular in Europe, it was often mentioned by climate-sceptics here in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD

Maybe this is a hint that the hoaxer has some european background...
 

TomC

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I'm not sure what weather they expect to modify in the stratosphere... nor what clouds they expect to seed up there. (Aside from very rare nacreous clouds)

Also, I was under the impression this chem trailing was done by regular jets, which tend to fly more in the top of the troposphere.

And how does weather modification help towards a goal of "genetic modification"? It's all nonsense.

Also, it's another whistle blower that is full of words, but no evidence at all. Useless basically. Surely as a systems administrator he'd have been able to grab some files of the system? Snowden managed it, as did Bradley Manning, and he was just a soldier.

Clearly a hoax..
 

David Fraser

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Based upon the most recent "whistleblower" post, I'm leaning towards:

A) A person who has nothing new, and just gives you a bunch of old stuff like "Owning the Weather in 2025"

https://www.facebook.com/madisonstar.moon/posts/348091718654902
(paragraph breaks added for readability)

Too early to tell, but it's quite possible it's a person who believes that what they are reading has significance. Dubious if they actually worked at BNL, of have just read stuff about it. But it's quite possible. IT people have the same mix of people as elsewhere.
They state "here is some data". Where?
The statement is contradictory in that they have sat on information yet claiming to vow to expose chemtrails. Why a 10 year wait?

There is an option that this could be in someones imagination. This does have the feel of attention seeking
 

Leifer

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from Madison's FB page https://www.facebook.com/madisonstar.moon?fref=ts
This person sounds very much like the average "chemtrail" believer......nothing more, nothing less.
They may have worked for a gov't facility, and have an opinion just like any other person. Credentials and a work bio mean nothing unless there is real evidence.
It's just speculation and opinion unless the goods are delivered.....and verifiable.

It' awkward for gov't doubters when they only believe their resentful opinions of former employers and limited knowledge of situations.
Note.....I am not reaching for ways to discount this person's account/testimony......I am reaching ways to agree with them (that is good science)...and I am finding very little in that effort.
 
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