Explained: Kansas Tic-Tac Shaped UFO [Plane]

jackfrostvc

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Thread Summary by Mick West
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DzzQpAyo_8



I think the haze is an important factor here to why it looks like a tic tac - not saying the only factor, but a contributor

BTW, there now seems to be a another very similar case that has been posted on reddit.
Pic taken looking down out of a plane at a tic tac looking object through haze

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/x7qeio/tic_tac_shaped_object/
 
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Mendel

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BTW, there now seems to be a another very similar case that has been posted on reddit.
Pic taken looking down out of a plane at a tic tac looking object through haze
looks like a plane on opposite course, at extreme end of sensor resolution (low incormation zone), with image processing applied in-camera further obscuring the shape and providing the black halo.

With an exact time & location, it'd probably be easily identified from the flight tracking, and the pilots will not only have seen it, but have had it identified on their TCAS screen.
 

jarlrmai

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looks like a plane on opposite course, at extreme end of sensor resolution (low incormation zone), with image processing applied in-camera further obscuring the shape and providing the black halo.

With an exact time & location, it'd probably be easily identified from the flight tracking, and the pilots will not only have seen it, but have had it identified on their TCAS screen.

From Reddit:

"Small nit pick, the submission provided a few typos, reporting the capture at AM, instead of PM and as far as I can tell, the location should be Atchison rather then Archison which I believe is how it was provided. I double checked the meta data to make sure it wasn't AM.

Atchison, KS, US 2022-09-01 4:07PM"

Kansas City, USA Thu, 1 Sep 2022 at 16:07 CDT
UTC, Time Zone Thu, 1 Sep 2022 at 21:07

There's a lot of traffic around that time in that area, but the blue wingtips might make it easier, i;d look but I dint have the time right now and ADSB Exchange is doing that thing it filters each plane I click on
 
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FatPhil

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There's a lot of traffic around that time in that area

So plenty of other pilots could have reported it, had it been considered in anyway unusual? (Unless pilots are now not experts, and would routinely en masse overlook strange alien craft?)
 

jarlrmai

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Press the M icon for multi select.
Still does it M or not

Click on plane, selects it click anywhere else plane vanishes.

Okay with multiselect it happens when I click back on the same plane..

Okay It was "persistence mode" I think its solved now
 

jarlrmai

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Not that - I was looking at the pitot or light extension on the trailing edge , and the shade of blue.
Yeah that does look different, could there be an in-place winglet replacement on the model?

The model is close though so maybe its a different Delta Airbus A32x?
 

flarkey

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Atchison, KS, US 2022-09-01 4:07PM"

Kansas City, USA Thu, 1 Sep 2022 at 16:07 CDT
UTC, Time Zone Thu, 1 Sep 2022 at 21:07

Just a thought about this, the time-zone on phones is often set by the network at the departure airport, and doesnt sync with changes until landing and rejoining the cell network. This is particularly a problem in the USA which has multiple timezones.
 

jarlrmai

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Just a thought about this, the time-zone on phones is often set by the network at the departure airport, and doesnt sync with changes until landing and rejoining the cell network. This is particularly a problem in the USA which has multiple timezones.
Yeah if the time is wrong we have no chance.
 

flarkey

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I ran a filtered for E175 type ADSB Ex over the location for the 21:07,22:07,20:07,19:07 with no hits
That's weird, I see loads of them around the area on Flightradar24, and that's just the E175 long variant....

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Mick West

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The case is on Mufon, 124984. The file EXIF says:
com.apple.quicktime.creationdate: 2022-09-01T16:07:32-0400

i.e. 20:07:32 UTC


Long Description of Sighting Report
While flying on a commercial airliner a TicTac shaped object was observed passing the airliner in the opposite direction we were traveling. the object appeared white in color traveling at a steady speed and course.There we’re no wings or any source of emission seen.The county and state of the sighting are approximate.
Content from External Source
 

flarkey

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I think the airline is United Express. I'll try some filters for that airline at the time.

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And I'm not convinced that the area of "Atchison" is particularly accurate. Yes, somewhere in that area - the Missouri river basin appears to be visible in the background of the video - but it could be anywhere around there.
 

Easy Muffin

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And I'm not convinced that the area of "Atchison" is particularly accurate. Yes, somewhere in that area - the Missouri river basin appears to be visible in the background of the video - but it could be anywhere around there.
Eastern Kansas seems suspect because of the centre pivot irrigation crop fields. Those are typically found in the western part of the state.
With that in mind, this is a good candidate I think:

a.jpg

SKW5553, SkyWest Embraer 175 flying for United Express and DAL982, a Delta Air Lines Airbus A321.

b.jpg

Looks like the town of Kanorado, KS is visible too in the video. Also matches up quite well with the view in Google Earth.

c.jpg
 
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flarkey

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Eastern Kansas seems suspect because of the centre pivot irrigation crop fields. Those are typically found in the western part of the state.
With that in mind, this is a good candidate I think:
Nice find, I had thought the same re the centre pivot irrigation. I had been concentrating on finding a suitable aircraft with the correct United Express livery. Your suggestion of N615UX fits.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9754152

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Ann K

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Had a very vaguely similar experience just last night, while relaxing in the hot tub and saw something huge and silent and fast flying over the trees in the backyard, dark and oblong... and then it landed on a lower branch if one of the trees. It was much closer and lower than I'd assumed in the first second or two, and was one of our friendly neighborhood barred owls. If he had not perched where I could see him, I like to think I'd have figured it out anyway, but maybe not, the illusion of something volkswagon sized high above the trees was very strong.
(Lucky sighting. I have a barred owl that sits ten feet from my window and hoots, very loudly ...but I've never seen it.)

Years ago the Goodyear blimp passed low over the house, and my son, about six at the time, came dashing into the house saying "There's a ...there's a ...there's a ... I don't know what it is!" That's pretty much textbook UFO, a thing that you don't know what it is. I think a lot of people are just in love with the mystery, but it's frustrating when they are so dead-set against any mundane explanation, even when well researched.
 

flarkey

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This should work......
 

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jarlrmai

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Terrain match for location, there will be some time variation on the irrigated circles of green, but I think its a match

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ufosww

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Hey everyone, I found my way over here thanks to jarlrmai sharing this link on the reddit post. Very amazing stuff! Thanks for all the hard work on this one. I was waiting on someone over at Mufon to reach back out to me concerning any further details regarding the flight information as there was quite a lot of folks asking for it. I'm going to continue to reach out to you guys for unknowns to be identified in the future if it's alright with you. Expert level researching displayed here as far as I'm concerned. Kudos!
 

Mick West

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Amazing. Very useful tool to show tictacs are usually planes. Reddit will hate it.
It's great because it's just using the raw data. There are the two ADS-B tracks, unmodified, and then there is the start time, which is exactly the same (to the second) as the start time in the iPhone video's EXIF data. iPhone times are generally set automatically, and so are accurate to the second. Nothing else needed to be done, and everything lined up perfectly. 100% match.

I've added a thread summary to the OP, with credits.
 

flarkey

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Hey everyone, I found my way over here thanks to jarlrmai sharing this link on the reddit post. Very amazing stuff! Thanks for all the hard work on this one. I was waiting on someone over at Mufon to reach back out to me concerning any further details regarding the flight information as there was quite a lot of folks asking for it. I'm going to continue to reach out to you guys for unknowns to be identified in the future if it's alright with you. Expert level researching displayed here as far as I'm concerned. Kudos!
Welcome, and its nice to see that you're open to the conclusions of our investigations.
 

Ravi

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It's great because it's just using the raw data. There are the two ADS-B tracks, unmodified, and then there is the start time, which is exactly the same (to the second) as the start time in the iPhone video's EXIF data. iPhone times are generally set automatically, and so are accurate to the second. Nothing else needed to be done, and everything lined up perfectly. 100% match.

I've added a thread summary to the OP, with credits.
Indeed, surely the only way to tackle the hardcore issues some have with debunking. Precision and high certainty are essential This would not (or very hard and time consuming) have been possible in the past.
 

jarlrmai

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So much tangential stuff has to exist to make this possible, the contributions of

ADSB as a concept.
ADSB tracking tools.
The whole of Google Earth + 'Satellite' view.
Plane enthusiasts/spotters/photographers that whole community and the sharing of those images.

Yeah impossible in the past really.
 
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