"EU Conference on Weather Modification and Geo-Engineering..."

A.G.

Senior Member.
This one just cropped up:
http://nsnbc.me/2013/04/13/eu-confe...ands-for-transparency-and-democratic-control/

It looks to me like a conference of CT:ers, held AT official EU parliamentary locales but not actually arranged by the EU, then described to seem like an official EU conference. Especially referring to earlier EU environmental work, alleging to "continue the work", and so on.

Although I don't really feel competent enough to say this for certain, especially since I'm not very well acquainted with how things work at this level in the EU (or, rather, the level in the EU on which this conference seems to be made out to be). I find it telling, though, that when searching for the conference I only get results from chemtrail/geoengineering alarmist sites.

Anyone with better info/insights?
 

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
Doesn´t have watched the videos, but was surprised that there where announcements in the name of the European Greens...

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So I asked Reinhard Bütikofer, on of the leaders of the European Green Party via Twitter.
https://twitter.com/Freizeit_Tiger/status/317891498270142464

He answered:

1. Zdanoka ist keine Grüne Abgeordnete.
2. Sie hat eigene Ansichten. Die sind bei Energie eben eigen.
3. Ich seh's anders.

1 Zdanka is not a green MoP,
2. she has her own views and they are curios
3. I see it differently.
Then I asked him, why there is the logo of the green/EFA-Fraction on the advertisment. He answered:

Für parlamentarisch finanzierte parlamentarische Aktivitäten muß generell das Logo der jeweiligen Fraktion verwendet werden.

For parliamentary parliamentary activities financed must be used generally, the logo of the respective fraction.
Responsible for this is the Green-/EFA-MoP Tatjana Ždanoka, there is an article on Wikipedia about her:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatjana_Ždanoka

Surprise number 2 for me was that Werner Schulz, a popular german Green takes part on this , his Wikipedia-Entry is not available in English
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Schulz#Mitglied_des_Europ.C3.A4ischen_Parlaments_.28seit_2009.29

A friend of me send some questions to Mr. Schulz about this but since now he didn´t answer.
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
Interesting. I'm a little confused by the (translation of the) second quote from Reinhard Bütikofer, though: does it mean that the conference was financed by the European Parliament? Maybe all kinds of things can get funding, so that's not a strange thing? My knowledge of how things work there is embarrassingly poor...
 

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
Interesting. I'm a little confused by the (translation of the) second quote from Reinhard Bütikofer, though: does it mean that the conference was financed by the European Parliament? Maybe all kinds of things can get funding, so that's not a strange thing? My knowledge of how things work there is embarrassingly poor...
My knowledge about the EU-Parliament are also very low...

First, this isn´t "the European Parliament" - It happens in a room used by the Greens/EFA-Fraction for their own pupose, Every Fraction gets a Budget to finance own meeting or such activities. For what they use this budget is in their hands.

The Greens/EFA-Fraction is a fusion of ecological green national-partys and socialist national parties. This seems to come from the socialists. European Greens commonly doesn´t support conspiracy-theories. A Green from Cyprus tried to take influence to the european greens to take action against chemtrails but he had no succes.

That´s why i am so surprised to see the german green Werner Schulz on this. But Mr. Schulze had often Opinions not matching with the opinion of his party.
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
Ok, so the phrasing of a "conference held at the European Parliament" is merely stressed to make it sound more important - the European Parliament, as mentioned on the announcement/flyer you linked to, should rather be considered... just the address to where the conference was held?

(A bit like how anyone in my town can rent the Freemasons' house for parties and stuff... ;) )
 

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
Ok, so the phrasing of a "conference held at the European Parliament" is merely stressed to make it sound more important - the European Parliament, as mentioned on the announcement/flyer you linked to, should rather be considered... just the address to where the conference was held?
The Eu-parliament in Brussel has more than one bulding. noticed the "Altiero Spinelli" in the adress? Thats the name of a Building on the Parliament-complex namend after an italian Politican

To the west of the Paul-Henri Spaak building is the Altiero Spinelli building, connected by a two-floor pedestrian bridge. The Altiero Spinelli building (ASP, formerly D3), named after parliamentarian Altiero Spinelli, primarily houses the offices of MEPs and political groups. It also houses shops, cafeteria and the members' bar. It is the largest building with 372,000m² of space and incorporates five high-rise towers, each up to 17 floors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espace_Léopold#Buildings

I was a little bit confused about the source of the article you posted. NSNBC?! Thats sounds like an american TV-Network. But it wasnt. It´s a new news-portal founded last month wich wantes to look like a big one... :)
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
I was amused by the name "nsnbc" - it's so clearly chosen to look like "msnbc". The exact same content can be found on other CT blogs sporting the traditional conspiracy site style (black background, stars, the Earth, garish text colours, an overall Doomsday feeling).
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
Although I must say, looking at the documents and sites linked above, and of course the bulk of chemtrails- and conspiracy sites, I feel somewhat proud that their movements seem to attract so very very few from my profession (graphic designer).
 

Drew

Active Member
I was amused by the name "nsnbc" - it's so clearly chosen to look like "msnbc". The exact same content can be found on other CT blogs sporting the traditional conspiracy site style (black background, stars, the Earth, garish text colours, an overall Doomsday feeling).
Agreed. I was trying to assess whether the site was legitimate, and it was evidently just founded by this Christof Lehmanns fellow. The name is a clear ripoff of MSNBC, and their graphic design clearly seems to be trying to resemble guardian.co.uk. (There is no sensible reason why they spell their name "ìnternational" with a `... can somebody explain this?)

I'm interested to hear more about MEP Ždanoka. Evidently she was in the unique situation of being legally barred from the Latvian parliament because of her КПСС affiliation, but she's in the leadership of a local party that sends her to Brussels to affiliate as Green/EFA.
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
What do you make of the "previous work" mentioned? This is clearly an official European Parliament document
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides...EP//TEXT+REPORT+A4-1999-0005+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN
...mentioning HAARP as a potential weapon etc, and that a hearing on HAARP has been held. However, the bulk of the text seems to come from the person who has motioned for a resolution, "Mrs Rehn Rouva". OTOH, there's a long list of "observations" in the "opinion" section. But what weight should be attached to this? What is the normal procedure when various concerns are being presented as "motions for resolutions"?
 

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
What do you make of the "previous work" mentioned? This is clearly an official European Parliament document
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides...EP//TEXT+REPORT+A4-1999-0005+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN
...mentioning HAARP as a potential weapon etc, and that a hearing on HAARP has been held.
This is a classic one

... as you mentioned this is just a report of a meeting of the "Committee on Foreign Affairs" and they invited Mr. Nick Begich Jr. as an "expert" for Haarp. Mr. Begich Jr, is an Author of Books like "Angels don´t play this HAARP" and he tolds all the storys like "Haarp is a Space-Weapon" to the Commiteee. But Nothing he had told there was released as a law from the European Parliament. This is just a protocol (report) including all that he had mentioned in this speech.
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
Oh, I'm familiar with Nick Begovich (although I can't seem to be able to insert a "rolls eyes" emoticon on my phone right now). ;)

But what does one make of the opinion-section at the end? Is it the official way of saying "ok, we'll let someone look into this weird stuff later, now let's move along to something real"?
 

Woody

Member
I see this playing out like Rachael Carson, you have your radicles on both ends. In the end the world will survive, its questionable about what will happen to mankind. All the arguing in the world is not going to fix our situation, and the truth remains in a mathematical equation, those being born today will die prematurely before old age and there is nothing we can do any longer except prepare for the inevitable. May God help us all.
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
I just found a Swedish version on the European Parliament report, which clears some things up for me but also creates a few new questions. Before I can get down to phrasing them, though, I just have to ask what in the world Woody's comment has to do with all this?!?
 

Woody

Member
I just found a Swedish version on the European Parliament report, which clears some things up for me but also creates a few new questions. Before I can get down to phrasing them, though, I just have to ask what in the world Woody's comment has to do with all this?!?
Just saying, look at the whole picture before assessing anything. First, for anything to exist there must be foundation for it, what is it? Secondly, you must be able to prove motive, have we? These two important elements are the criteria for any court and the reason and justification behind human behavior, including chemtrails. In otherwords, before arguing for or against "Chemtrails" has anyone provided anything that would justify this action would alter what is refereed to as "Climate Change?:"
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
Woody, you're still delivering non sequiturs. You have no idea how much I've looked at the "whole picture". And to assess if a "big picture" is correct, you have to be able to look into the different parts of the picture to see if THEY are correct. If the big picture consists of a whole bunch of details that are factually incorrect, you have to doubt the "big picture" even if it looks convincing from a distance.

This thread concerns a "news report" that seems to be misrepresenting facts, and we're trying to find out the correct facts. Even if the ones reporting this piece of news were to be correct in a lot of their other reporting, it wouldn't make the facts of this specific item true if they aren't true from the beginning.

So I think, whatever you want to say with your comments, they aren't really helpful in this specific thread.
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
OK, so perhaps someone can help me with the legalese here.

The first large part of the E.P. report consists of the "Motion for a resolution", which as far as I can tell has been provided by this "Mrs Rehn Rouva"; including all of the claims of HAARP having weather-changing abilities etc.

But the report also states that "the Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defence Policy adopted the motion for a resolution by 28 votes to none with one abstention", and under "Opinion" that the committee "adopted the following conclusions by 26 votes to 2, with 1 abstention", followed by a whole slew of stuff including dubious stuff about HAARP.

What is to be made of this? Does this mean that there exists a proper E.P. resolution regarding these things? How serious are the resolutions in the E.P? Do committees adopt these things lightly, or is this a serious mistake (that is, can one coclude that the members of the committee were convinced that the information was correct)? Or is it just a first step intended to be researched more properly?

(Sorry if my English is muddled, by the way...)
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
According to Wayne Hall, one of the participants, there was some sort of a resolution, but it has been ignored, which is probably why there is not much information about it. Cocks don't crow at sunset.

http://www.enouranois.gr/english/beyond_climate_change.htm

This should be interesting to see:
Wayne Hall said:
In February Skyguards interviewed one of the founding members of the ETC Group, Pat Mooney, but due to time constraints today we aren’t able to discuss what he said. You can find the complete text of the interview in the dossier we are distributing.
http://www.enouranois.gr/english/intervention_hall.htm
 

A.G.

Senior Member.
Hmm. I wonder why they seem to find it so important to present a photo of Maj-Britt Theorin; isn't the rapporteur just someone who is appointed to report about a meeting?
 

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
A smal update to this thead:

Werner Altnickel (The "german Carnicom") published some remarks on politaia.com (Wich is a kind of concealed rigth-wing News-Portal). He doesn´t published this remarks on his own Website chemtrail.de

Bericht von Werner Altnickel über die EU-Geoengineering-Konferenz

Ic
h war als deutscher Teilnehmer am 8.+ 9. 4.2013 mit 47- Initiativen -Abgesandten aus 16 Staaten bei der von Skyguards organisierten Anti-Geoengineering / HAARP- Konferenz im Brüsseler Parlamentsgebäude und habe eine kpl. Video-Dokumentation davon erstellt, wovon der erste Teil bereits ins deutsche übersetzt wurde.


(Alles anzusehen auf www.chemtrail.de + youtube- Kanal : Werner Altnickel)

Am Abend des 8.4.13 wurde der Film “Why in the world are you spraying” unter Kommentierung des US- Co-Filmemachers Michael Murphy den EU- Abgeordneten angeboten.

Am 9.4.2013 fand dann eine 90- minütige Anhörung unserer Geoengineering/HAARP- kritischen Ansichten statt.

Die daran anschließende Pressekonferenz wurde von den Massenmedien vollständig boykottiert,wie es dem ehem. MEP Guillietto Chiesa bei der EU-Vorstellung seines 911- kritischen Filmes ZERO auch ergangen war. Er sagte beim Sektempfang, daß diese Themen für die Parlamentarier gefährlich wären!

Diese wichtige Veranstaltung knüpfte an das bereits 1999 verfaßte EU-Veranstaltungs-Papier an, welches u.a. Abrüstungsthemen auch das: “Klimabeeinträchtigende HAARP-System kritisierte, welches in der Bevölkerung viel zu wenig bekannt sei!” (EU-Papier-Zitat)

Unter den internationalen Teilnehmern wurden wichtige Kooperationskontakte geknüpft und auch das persönliche Kennenlernen am Abend fand großen Zuspruch.

Anhang: Ins deutsche übersetzter Pressebericht von Christof Lehmann vom 13.4.2013 + Original-Link.
Google-Translation of this:

Report of Werner Altnickel on EU geoengineering conference

I was a participant in the German 8th 9 4.2013 with 47 - Initiative delegates from 16 countries at the conference organized by Anti-Skyguards Geoengineering / HAARP conference in Brussels Parliament building and have a cpl. Created video documentation of it, of which the first part has already been translated into German.

(All display on www.chemtrail.de youtube channel: Werner Altnickel)

8.4.13 On the evening of the film "Why in the world are you spraying" was offered by commenting on the U.S. co-filmmaker Michael Murphy the MEPs.

Critical views held our Geoengineering/HAARP- minute hearing - on 09/04/2013 then found a 90th

The subsequent press conference was completely boycotted by the mass media as the former Guillietto Chiesa MEP at the European launch of its 911 - was also issued critical film ZERO. He said during a champagne reception that these issues would be dangerous to the parliamentarians!

This important event was linked to the EU in 1999 wrote event paper, which among other things Disarmament issues and the "climate criticized Interfering HAARP system, which is far too little known in the population" (EU-paper-citation)

Among the participants with important international cooperation contacts were made and also the personal acquaintance in the evening was very popular.

Notes: Into the German press report translated by Christof Lehmann of 13.04.2013 original link.
Source: http://www.politaia.org/umwelt-und-...tnickel-uber-die-eu-geoengineering-konferenz/

Remarkable Points:

This was called a "Press conference" and the inventions where declared as this. This strategy is very common by extreme political parties in Germany. They made an "invention" and declare it to a "press-Conference", because the press is invited. Normally nobody from the Press would come to this. This also happens on this conference.

The Important "Into the German press report translated by Christof Lehmann" is just the article by nsmbc mentioned in starting this thread.


Werner Altnickel also takes some pictures of this Confrence, you can find them on his Website: http://www.chemtrail.de/?p=4340

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On The Left: Werner Altnickel. our "german Carnicom".

... promptly to the conference, there where also Pictures of the hosts of the italian blog "Tanker-Enemy" available, but I couldn´t find them any more...

This "Conference" seems to be a "Rohrkrepierer" ("Non-Starter")

At the MOment, Werner Altnickel goes to one Truther-Webstream to another to claim this conference to be a great one. The german-version of "Infowars" ("recent-tv", formally knowed as "infokrieg.tv") had made a show with him. Yesterday, he was on a uncommon german Truther-Radioshow "Wakenews")
 

Pete

Member
Minority interests abusing their democratic powers (and EU tax payer money) to host conference in the EU Parliament building. Happens all the time, one of the reasons so many people in the UK despair at the EU.

Edit: I like how they claim the media "boycotted" their press conference? Maybe, they just never wanted to turn up anyhow?
 

HappyMonday

Moderator
Edit: I like how they claim the media "boycotted" their press conference? Maybe, they just never wanted to turn up anyhow?
That's pretty standard spin for believers in CT's I've found. A press conference they organise on a world shattering issue such as X should naturally be thronged with reporters. If it isn't, it becomes further evidence to support their beliefs.
 

Misterfreeman87

New Member
Hi everyone,

I m a bit confused by this motion for a resolution presented at the EU parliament in which HAARP is literally described as a "weapons system which disrupts the climate". How could this happen in the EU parliament? I wouldnt think of the EU parliament as a place for conspiracy nuts. Dont get me wrong, I dont believe that [...bunk...], I m just curious how this could make it into a motion for a resolution at the EU parliament.

Here is the said report: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides...EP//TEXT+REPORT+A4-1999-0005+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN
 
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FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
Hi everyone,

I m a bit confused by this motion for a resolution presented at the EU parliament in which HAARP is literally described as a "weapons system which disrupts the climate". How could this happen in the EU parliament? I wouldnt think of the EU parliament as a place for conspiracy nuts.
This is not from the EU-Parliament. It´s just a PROTOCOL of a meeting of the "Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defence" on the EU-Parliament. Around 30 people. The made the fault to invite Dr Nick Begich jr as "an expert" for space-weapons and all of this document was told them by Begich.

Nothing of this had become something like common law for Europe. It is just a protocol of a strange meeting of a Committee.
 
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