Easy WTC 7 Video to Debunk


Here is an attempt to show how 7 collapsed due to fire. It is FULL of BUNK

Just for starters, it claims the firefighters measured a bulge and knew from 2pm that 7 would fall.

Are there any pictures of the bulge?

what measurements were taken?

What caused it?

NIST documents only very small fires up until 2pm.

The video claims uncontrolled fires will inevitably lead to collapse which is rubbish... then goes on to 'prove' it by citing the much touted 'bridge fire'...:confused:

So there are 3 topics I am proposing from this...

1) Is there any visual or technical information on the bulge?

2) Do uncontrolled fires automatically lead to a full collapse like wtc's 1,2 and 7?

3) Can it really be stated that 7 burned 'out of control' for 7 hours (Defining what 'out of control' means in practical terms as relevant to likelihood of total collapse)?


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For one, no way to fight the fire. If you aren't fighting it, then it is uncontrolled.

The comment on another thread from the nurse at a triage center confirmed that they knew the building was going to fall, so did many comments from firemen on the scene.

Mick West

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1) Is there any visual or technical information on the bulge?

2) Do uncontrolled fires automatically lead to a full collapse like wtc's 1,2 and 7?

3) Can it really be stated that 7 burned 'out of control' for 7 hours (Defining what 'out of control' means in practical terms as relevant to likelihood of total collapse)?

Here's the full interview with Hayden for context, he mentions 7 in several places.

http://mobile.firehouse.com/news/10544364/9-11-issue-introduction-part-vi (http://archive.is/rwBiX)

Hayden: [...] By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?

Hayden: No, not right away, and that's probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn't make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7 did you have to get all of those people out?

Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn't want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn't even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn't know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o'clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then.

At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that's a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that's a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn't seem so bad. But that's what we were concerned about.
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I don't remember there being any photos of a bulge. But that was not the only reason they pulled the firefighters out.

At approximately 1:00 p.m., an OEM staff member, a FDNY Deputy Chief, and a FDNY Battalion Chiefentered WTC 7 to further evaluate conditions.21 The OEM staff member reported that they entered
WTC 7 through the door near the southeast corner on West Broadway and proceeded up the B stairway
on the east side. They stopped at the 3rd floor level. The atrium was filled with dust but had no
significant debris. As they observed the area, they heard the building creaking. Debris was piled up on
the Vesey Street side between Columns 17 and 22. They checked the 4th and 5th floors and did not see
much damage from their viewing location. At the 5th floor, they moved to the A stairway and proceeded
up. On the 8th or 9th floor, one of the group said he saw two elevator cars ejected from their shafts and in
the hallway. Looking past the elevators, they could see a gaping hole in the south face from around the
6th to the 9th floors. They could see one floor below and two to three floors above that location. A lot of
the core walls were destroyed, and one individual reported that he saw columns hanging from the floor
above. They did not observe any fires at this time on the 8th floor or 9th floor, but the interviewee reported
that they could hear fires burning well above where they were standing. Also, they continued to hear
creaking noises in the building.21 As the FDNY Officers continued their inspection of WTC 7, they heard
a loud noise, and a Chief decided that they should evacuate the building.18 They also met a Deputy Chief
who had just returned from inside the building, and he reported that he had conducted an inspection up to
the 7th or 8th floor.23 He indicated that the stairway he was in was filling with smoke and that there was a
lot of fire inside the building.

When a Chief Officer got to Barclay Street and West Broadway, numerous firefighters and officers were
exiting WTC 7. These firefighters indicated that several blocks needed to be cleared around WTC 7
because they thought that the building was going to collapse.12 In addition, there were numerous
observations reported by other emergency responders who indicated that WTC 7 was considerably
damaged by the collapse of WTC 1, and the potential for collapse of WTC 7 was taken seriously by these
FDNY personnel.
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An uncontrolled fire is only going to bring the building down if it's big enough and if it does not run out of fuel.

When they say it burned out of control, it means they did not attempt to fight it.
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