Well, after a sunday of facebook debating, I got banned from "Chemtrails Kill" (Roxy Lopez) group. Russ Tanner was particularly insistent about banning me. He's also trying to get me banned from the "Chemtrails" group.
Here's his contributions to the conversation over a 30 minute period:
Unfortunately he ignored all the actual scientific discussion.Russ Tanner Mick west is a shill and should be banned immediately. Do not tolerate disinformation in your groups.
Russ Tanner over $100 million has been allocated in the U.S. for people to create fake identities (or real ones) and spread disinformation: http://urlbam.com/ha/M003u
DON'T TOLERATE SHILLS.
Russ Tanner Coosfoos Coos is also a supporting shill. I do hope the admins of this group ban shills. They cause discord and confusion. Do not give shills a voice.
Russ Tanner I request that the people in this group contact the admins and ask them to ban all shills. Do not let them have a voice here or anywhere.
Russ Tanner Ban Mick West and Coosfoos Coos. Please don't let shills invade and have a voice in legitimate chemtrails forums.
Russ Tanner Suzanne Holmes is exactly right. They are both shills. Don't feed them. Don't waste your time arguing with them. Simply ask the admins to ban them immediately.
Russ Tanner Click on "6328 members" in the upper right. Then click "All Members" In the list that drops down, select "Admins". Those 2 people are the admins. Message them and ask them to remove shills from their group.
Russ Tanner Thanks for making my point. Disinformation and discord. Slandering members. Raising arguments. Ban shills. Do not give them a voice.
Russ Tanner I just hope the people in this group wake up to the disinformation that is being spread here. It's not like TV because I am personally suffering from chemtrails and many other are along with me, and disinformationalists are trying to convince the public to accept the poisoning that is going on.
Disinformationalists are murderous liars and will be found out and lawfully prosecuted because under law, aiding and abetting crimes are the same as performing them. If you study history, you will learn that disinformationalists are among the first to fall out of favor with their employers because they are recognized as a liability... Shill would do well for themselves to learn this quickly and get out of the disinformation business.
Russ Tanner All plumes - long or short - are chemtrails. Contrails are a con to attempt to convince the public that they are harmless so the public will allow the illegal poisoning to continue. My account of the day I saw the trail changed from long to short: http://urlbam.com/ha/M003p
This is Classic Cult Like behavior in order to control thought within the group. Free thinking is not allowed. Any presentation that might get some of the Cult followers thinking on their own , against the collective must be tightly controlled. I have seen this often. Keep up the good work, all of you. I have been told by many that we are helping folks. We may not see it much, but some are thankful for helping them to wake up to the lies.....
I have been in many of these chemtrail groups. Many under different names, and almost all of them have nearly every single one of these traits. Almost all. These traits are common among cults.
1. The most basic feature of the thought reform environment, the psychological current upon which all else depends, is the control of human communication.
2. The control of human communication through environment control.
3. Potential convert is convinced of the higher purpose within the special group.
4. Everyone is manipulating everyone, under the belief that it advances the "ultimate purpose."
5. People mistakenly attribute their experiences to common causes when, in fact, they are concocted by human beings.
6. The experiential world is sharply divided into the pure and the impure, into the absolutely good and the absolutely evil. The good and the pure are of course those ideas, feelings, and actions which are consistent with the totalist ideology and policy; anything else is apt to be relegated to the bad and the impure. Nothing human is immune from the flood of stern moral judgements.
7. The cult advances the idea that the cult's laws, rules and regulations are absolute and, therefore, to be followed automatically.
8. The group's belief is that their dogma is absolutely scientific and morally true.
9. No alternative viewpoint is allowed.
10. No questioning of the dogma is permitted.
11. The cult invents a new vocabulary, giving well-known words special new meanings, making them into trite clichés. The clichés become "ultimate terms", either "god terms", representative of ultimate good, or "devil terms", representative of ultimate evil. Totalist language, then, is repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon, prematurely abstract, highly categorical, relentlessly judging, and to anyone but its most devoted advocate, deadly dull: the language of non-thought. "Chemtrails", "Chembows", "Shills", "Dis-Info Agents"etc..
12. Controlling words helps to control people's thoughts.
13. The group uses black-or-white thinking and thought-terminating clichés.
14. The special words constrict rather than expand human understanding.
15. Non-members cannot simply comprehend what cult members are talking about.
16. Doctrine over Person Another characteristic feature of ideological totalism: the subordination of human experience to the claims of doctrine.
17. Past experience and values are invalid if they conflict with the new cult morality.
18. Past historical events are retrospectively altered, wholly rewritten, or ignored to make them consistent with doctrinal logic.
19. No matter what a person experiences, it is belief in the dogma which is important.
20. Group belief supersedes individual conscience and integrity.
21. The group has an elitist world view — a sharp line is drawn by cult between those who have been saved, chosen, etc. (the cult members) and those who are lost, in the dark, etc. (the rest of the world). "The un-awakened"
22. Former members are seen as "weak, " "lost," "evil," and "the enemy". "Those who decided they do not believe by researching themselves"
23. The cult insists that there is no legitimate alternative to membership in the cult.
"There is only one truth" and the cults truth is it.