Definition of 'delusion' updated in DSM

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
Now apparently delusion as a technical term in psychiatry has been refined so it is not the belief itself but the *way* it is believed that makes it 'delusional'.


http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/04/truly-madly-deeply-delusional
 

JRBids

Senior Member.
Sounds like paranoia and delusion are the same thing. Although I suppose someone who thinks their heart is replaced by steam is a totally different pathology than someone who thinks their neighbors are beaming electromagnetic pulses at them.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
I think it means that plausible paranoia isn't immediately a sign of mental disorder - it depends if the paranoia is open to, and can be altered by, evidence to show it's unfounded, where that is possible.
 

David Fraser

Senior Member.
I am not a fan of the DSM mainly due to fixed diagnoses and the apolitical way in which it us written. Anyway I digress. I often talk to people of delusional thinking and it is something we all do. It is a defence mechanism in some cases. Many of us may have continued in crap relationships deluding ourselves we are happy. But at the end of the day in mental health a delusion is often a symptom of a wider problem.
 

Mick West

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Being paranoid is just being very suspicious. Paranoid delusions often follow. You could think that the government might be reading your emails, or you could be convinced that the government sends agents into your house at night to move things around.

You have to remember there's a huge spectrum in these classifications. Someone who is just concerned that when they take their phone in to be repaired that the the technicians will read their emails are very different from people who are concerned that if they say something subversive they will be hauled off to a FEMA camp.
 

JRBids

Senior Member.
I think it means that plausible paranoia isn't immediately a sign of mental disorder - it depends if the paranoia is open to, and can be altered by, evidence to show it's unfounded, where that is possible.

So it it can be altered it's "plausible" paranoia? Of is it if it's physically possible it's "plausible" like the neighbors are watching me is plausible, the neighbors are beaming electro magnetism at me is implausible.
 

Mick West

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Staff member
So it it can be altered it's "plausible" paranoia? Of is it if it's physically possible it's "plausible" like the neighbors are watching me is plausible, the neighbors are beaming electro magnetism at me is implausible.

Unlikely but not totally implausible. "My wife has been replaced by a robot" is implausible.

There's a sliding scale on all these things. You can point at things at either end of the scale, but it gets a bit fuzzy in the middle.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
It's possible to have totally implausible ideas due to mis-education or exposure to bad ideas, so the 'far-outness' of the idea should not be the measure of ill-health - but reasonable people can have their implausible beliefs altered with evidence.
eg, even if they have somehow aquired the fantastic idea their internal organs have been replaced a simple x-ray of their internal organs compared to a trusted colleague for comparison should convince a reasonable person.
 
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