Debunked: The Great Culling - Paul Wittenberger and Chris Maple

Mick West

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Billed as a sequel to What in the World are They Spraying, The Great Culling is a highly inaccurate documentary that basically proposes that the powers-that-be are attempting to reduce the population of the Earth. In part they claim that this is being done by spraying "Chemtrails".



This idea is based on a misconception - that "normal" contrails dissipate in about a minute. This false claim is repeated many times over the course of the trailer, by several different people. It's not just the interviewees either (people like Clifford Carnicom, and Alex Jones), at one point Wittenburger points at a short contrail and says "that's what a contrail is supposed to look like".

Since the entire premise is based on this misconception, pretty much the entire chemtrail section of the film can be debunked simply by pointing out that normal contrails can and do persist for hours, and have done so since the dawn of aviation.

This specific misconception is addressed here:
http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/

And the various ancillary misconceptions are addressed here:
http://contrailscience.com/how-to-debunk-chemtrails/

[Update, Jan 1 2012]

The larger theme of the film is that of population reduction via "culling" (i.e. killing a large segment of humanity). Apparently this was not made clear to the participants, some of which have already disassociated themselves with the film:

http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/...peterson-and-michael-murphy-re-great-culling/

From Rosalind Peterson
December 30, 2011

Rosalind Peterson formally requested that that Chris Maple and Paul Wittenberger
not use my interview, image, website or any other information related to me in
either the trailer or their production of the “Great Culling” due
to not only the conspiracy theory title but in linking my name with a variety of issues and conspiracy
theory conclusions which I cannot support or document.

From Producer Michael Murphy
Fellow activist,
I am writing to a few of you because of confusion that has been expressed to me from some in the movement. There is a new film that is in production by some who were involved in the filming of “What in the World are They Spraying?” This new film (The Great Culling) is being marketed as the follow-up film to “What in the World are They Spraying?” For the record, Michael J. Murphy and/or Truth Media Productions are in no way connected to or have collaborated in any capacity with or about this new film and also do not plan to be involved in any capacity.

 

firepilot

Senior Member.
I am not sure when Will Thomas wrote these paragraphs, but he actually is debunking the culling idea, even using the word "cull". I also think he is taking a not too veiled shot at Clifford Carnicom on this page too.

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/

Presenting no evidence to back their claims, some sites claim this is a clandestine biowarfare operation aimed at “culling” the human population so that only the elite inherit a ruined Earth. When confronted by the obvious lack of corpses piled high in the streets, these claimants quickly shift gears, stating that chemtrails comprise Part “A” of a binary bioweapon that will be activated later by special radio frequencies, causing everyone not ‘specially inoculated to instantly drop dead.

When asked for documentation or lab tests to back up their assertions, the cull contingent falls silent. Ignoring the illogic inherent in dispersing low concentrations of organisms - or medicine - randomly at sunlight-killing altitudes, other sites state that chemtrails are an aerial vaccine delivered to save us from terrorists who can genetically alter their biological cocktails overnight, instantly nullifying all existing vaccines. The fact that there are not enough vaccines or biowarfare agents on the planet to fill hundreds of tanker planes spraying daily for more than five years does not bother irresponsible Internet hysterics, who peer through microscopes without medical qualifications, or point to lint trapped in home air filters as “proof” of their contradictory contentions.
 

Mick West

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Yes, I suppose the simplest debunking for the broader culling theory is to just observe that IT'S NOT WORKING.

People are healthier, and living longer lives. US and World population is rapidly increasing.
 

firepilot

Senior Member.
Not to mention, that if they were doing it, why would they choose a large first world country, with a low population density?
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I am not sure when Will Thomas wrote these paragraphs, but he actually is debunking the culling idea, even using the word "cull". I also think he is taking a not too veiled shot at Clifford Carnicom on this page too.

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/
The vaccine claims were coming from Mark Steadham who got it from a woman who "channeled" messages from 'Spirit'.
'Spirit' wasn't accurate, and said in 2000 that biowarfare would be a reality within five years. About five years later, Mark Steadham left the hoax and hasn't participated since.

http://www.lightsmith.com/answer28.htm

So, the culling claims and the vaccination claims have both turned out to be debuned already by time.
Prognosticators usually have a weasel-way out when time debunks them.

They beg time for a little more time, and hope most people don't notice.
I'm sure if confronted, Maple and Wittenberger will not break the mold.
These newbies never really studied how this hoax began and progressed, or even see
where it is taking them. They are riding an old worn-out horse which they hope to keep
alive. I think much of what they are doing is simply to spite Michael J. Murphy, and it will
be interesting to see what sort of blow he will strike with next. There is some bad blood there,
and its not all over.

Michael J. Murphy is out of the "Geoengineering Ban" consulting business he had been counting on,
and will see this as a threat to his future.
 

Steve

Senior Member.
I was interviewed by these two last summer just as I was interviewed by MJM and Paul for WITWATS the previous year with the same results. Not one frame of any of my explanations made it into these productions even though each interview lasted more than an hour. It's obvious now to me that they are not interested in any logical explanation to their misunderstood concepts because they are simply in it for the money and the fame. It's really sad to see this as I thought they were decent people who just needed some simple corrections to their misunderstandings. As I see it now they only chose me because they were hoping I would make a major mistake in our discussion that could be exploited by them to enhance the validity of their point of view. This is not a documentary at all but sadly just pure propaganda used to exploit fellow conspiracist for financial gain.
 

Mick West

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It did strike me that Wittenberger did not really seem to believe what he was saying - almost as if it were a parody. Hard to tell for sure.
 

Steve

Senior Member.
There was no rebuttal from Chris in my interview with him because he knew very little about the basic reasons for contrail formations. He was certain that all real contrails only lasted exactly 14 seconds and then they just disappeared at that point. These guys just don't want to know the truth even though both are well entrenched "Truthers". Anything that contradicts their preconceived ideas is simply edited away both in their production and in their own reasoning as humans. I actually thought I reach these guys but apparently other motivations pulled them from any logical reasoning.
 

Spongebob

Active Member
Could a film be produced and directed by members of this site?

A simple and systematic debunk of each and every single one of the false claims made by chemmies?

It would cause quite a stir and generate a fair amount of interest I dare say - but it would be there as a constant reference (and thorn) ...
 

Mick West

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That would certainly be an interesting endeavor. I'm not sure how effective it would be. Who would watch it? The undecided?

Consider that most of the claims have already been debunked in one place or another. Would putting that in film form make it more accessible?

The bunk films like WHITWATS and TGC are effective because they have lots of interviews with people who sound honest and reasonable (or are taken out of context). This human element makes the films convincing. They pretty much entirely skip over the science. Just a few vague claims about trails lasting longer now, and suspicious test results, or everyone getting sick.

TGC is based square on one lie: the government is attempting to vastly reduce the world's population. On that they balance two more lies: that contrails don't last more than a minute, and that fluoride in drinking water causes early death. These things are either baseless speculation, or demonstrably untrue.

How long of a film would you need to demonstrate that contrails persist? Would such a film be effective?

If water fluoridation has not been shown to be safe (to conspiracy theorists) in 60 years, then what could you put in a film?

Don't get me wrong - I've always been interested in documentary film-making, and I've often thought about making something about chemtrails. I'm just unsure what the best use of a debunker's time would be, and if it's a film, what would the film look like?
 

Mick West

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These bunk films ARE very effective though. No matter how throughly you debunk them, they just keep coming back. So they keep making them, like this upcoming one:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Filmmaker wants to speak to Tri-state residents about toxins in their blood

GOLDEN VALLEY (Dec. 28, 2011) -- Tri-state residents who have tested for toxic levels of heavy metals such as barium, aluminum and strontium are being sought for a major documentary film.

Shepard Ambellas, co-founder The Intel Hub, an online news and radio site, will be traveling to the area to conduct on-screen interviews with those who have had their blood, urine and hair tested for high levels of heavy metals associated with geoengineering. Doctors and health officials also are asked to contact Ambellas about the issue.

On Oct. 17, the Mohave County Board of Health asked epidemiologist Anna Scherzer to give a short presentation on how such elements might get into the environment and into the bodies of people. She said the elements are naturally-occurring and that, basically, "They're coming from our drinking water and our food."

Ambellas disputes the information presented by Scherzer in a recent Intel Hub article, writing "Unfortunately, her claim undermines over 15 years of scientific research and data on geoengineering (chemtrails) operations."

Ambrellas reported in March on The Intel Hub that geoenginnering programs are taking place and that "the president and congress are aware of it, and have in fact authorized government funding under bio-weapons testing clauses through Public Law 105-85-Nov. 18, 1997," citing the law that "allows bio-weapons to be tested on all American citizens without consent."

According to The Intel Hub website, the Hub "covers and reports on many different topics, whether it be the looming economic collapse, the ever-growing police state, daily political news, or human rights worldwide."
For more information, contact Shepard Ambellas at 808-344-7859.

It's hard to tell is someone is a true believer or not. But The Intel Hub is chock full of fear-based ads, and has obviously no regard for actual facts. (rather amusingly they have automated ads, and currently have an ad for Shell Oil on their page, so they don't worry too much about where they get their money from either).

 
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Spongebob

Active Member
That would certainly be an interesting endeavor. I'm not sure how effective it would be. Who would watch it? The undecided?

Consider that most of the claims have already been debunked in one place or another. Would putting that in film form make it more accessible?

The bunk films like WHITWATS and TGC are effective because they have lots of interviews with people who sound honest and reasonable (or are taken out of context). This human element makes the films convincing. They pretty much entirely skip over the science. Just a few vague claims about trails lasting longer now, and suspicious test results, or everyone getting sick.

TGC is based square on one lie: the government is attempting to vastly reduce the world's population. On that they balance two more lies: that contrails don't last more than a minute, and that fluoride in drinking water causes early death. These things are either baseless speculation, or demonstrably untrue.

How long of a film would you need to demonstrate that contrails persist? Would such a film be effective?

If water fluoridation has not been shown to be safe (to conspiracy theorists) in 60 years, then what could you put in a film?

Don't get me wrong - I've always been interested in documentary film-making, and I've often thought about making something about chemtrails. I'm just unsure what the best use of a debunker's time would be, and if it's a film, what would the film look like?



As you say Mick - the bunk films have a human approach with seemingly (wrongly) concerned "real" "honest" people featured.
Giving the appearance of honesty and truth to the believers and uninitiated...

I would propose a story type approach with interviews along the way?

Beginning with the general misconceptions about how and why trails form / last (all of that) The history, how jet engines work, what contrails consist of, altitude where they form and why etc.

Then show the claims made by the theorists and debunk each one soundly, in turn, leaving nothing out.

Grids, patterns, books, samples, the rest of the hoax information describing why each claim made is wrong and the science to prove it?


It would be watched by chemtrailers in their droves who would be incensed, knowing that all of their claims had just been shown to be false?

No doubt they would end up debating it for years using ever more increasing levels of pseudo science in a vain attempt to disprove it...

The end result would be a much awaited sequel which soundly trounced any false claims made by believers about the first film?

It`s a nice idea right?

Can you imagine the millions of YT views?
 

Mick West

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I wonder if any of the people in WITWATS or TGC would consent to appear in a film that focussed on verifiable science and history? Specifically:
  • Alex Jones
  • Former Senator Karen Johnson
  • Former Biologist Francis Mangels
  • Dr. Rima E. Laibow M.D.
  • Clifford E Carnicom
  • Rosalind Peterson
  • Dr. Paul Connett, PhD
  • Dr. David C. Kennedy, DDS
  • Dr. James E. Rota, DDS
  • Dr. Laura Pressley, PhD
  • Gary O. Pittman
  • Dr. Charlie Goetschel, PhD
  • Lauren Feder, M.D.
  • Dr. Rebecca Carley M.D.
  • Chuck and Wendy Goetschel
  • Aaron Dykes
  • Harold Saive
  • The Konell Family
  • and many more!
Obviously Alex Jones would not, but some of the other do profess to believe in science.
 

Spongebob

Active Member
I wonder if any of the people in WITWATS or TGC would consent to appear in a film that focussed on verifiable science and history? Specifically:
  • Alex Jones
  • Former Senator Karen Johnson
  • Former Biologist Francis Mangels
  • Dr. Rima E. Laibow M.D.
  • Clifford E Carnicom
  • Rosalind Peterson
  • Dr. Paul Connett, PhD
  • Dr. David C. Kennedy, DDS
  • Dr. James E. Rota, DDS
  • Dr. Laura Pressley, PhD
  • Gary O. Pittman
  • Dr. Charlie Goetschel, PhD
  • Lauren Feder, M.D.
  • Dr. Rebecca Carley M.D.
  • Chuck and Wendy Goetschel
  • Aaron Dykes
  • Harold Saive
  • The Konell Family
  • and many more!
Obviously Alex Jones would not, but some of the other do profess to believe in science.

It would be nice. Even just a line or two from them to aid the presentation ...?

A project for 2012? Maybe the world would end for chemmies if the film were released (after much build up) on December 21st 2012.

Can you imagine the conspiracies that would emerge if the documentary was due for release on that date?
It would be as entertaining...
 

Danny55

Senior Member.
"And so it begins....


If anyone wants to supply my airfare I would gladly contrail my way across the pond to help film? ;)"

Could always sell t shirts like MJM
http://www.stopspraying.us/

New slogan for you "Chemtrails are the Devil's Breath"
:)
 

Spongebob

Active Member
"And so it begins....


If anyone wants to supply my airfare I would gladly contrail my way across the pond to help film? ;)"

Could always sell t shirts like MJM
http://www.stopspraying.us/

New slogan for you "Chemtrails are the Devil's Breath"
:)



Domestic Order (+ $6 shipping) $35.95 USD International order (+ $10 Shipping) $39.95 USD
(Enter Shirt Size)​



That might catch on?

Has anyone yet seen a 'devil' or 'occult' imagery associated with 'chemtrails' ?
 

Ross Marsden

Senior Member.
There is this stupid one with the Photoshopped skulls in the wrong perspective...
chem_dees.jpg
(An "original" is here but the GIF format is too large to embed here.)

Or there is this one; skulls again. At least they are more or less in perspective, although there are still problems with perspective in that image.
skychem_dees.jpg

Note, they are from the same artist. These are from his "skulz" period. :p
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
The science element would be necessary, but far more effective would be to also depict the human element using actual interviews with former believers.
It would take some doing.
 

Danny55

Senior Member.
"Domestic Order (+ $6 shipping) $35.95 USD International order (+ $10 Shipping) $39.95 USD
(Enter Shirt Size)"
How much for postage to UK? :p
 

firepilot

Senior Member.
There is this stupid one with the Photoshopped skulls in the wrong perspective...

(An "original" is here but the GIF format is too large to embed here.)

Or there is this one; skulls again. At least they are more or less in perspective, although there are still problems with perspective in that image.


Note, they are from the same artist. These are from his "skulz" period. :p

And yet more stolen photos, where they remove any watermark or copywrite, and then they edit it and in this case, add their own names.

Apparently chemtrails is such an imminent crisis, that its okay to exaggerate and add contrails in order to make the skies look much worse.
 

Danny55

Senior Member.
One recurring suggestion on the various CT forums, to enable people to find out some nefarious machiavellian plot, is
"Follow The Money!"t shirt.jpg
 

Mick West

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However, it is not so imminent that they can't participate in some more infighting

http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/...peterson-and-michael-murphy-re-great-culling/

Wonder how the potential lawsuits will get on??

PS. Happy 2012 from the UK. (At least until the cataclysms occur:p)

That's interesting. I've updated the top post with the infighting. I wonder how many of the other participants would feel that way - and how many knew the extreme position of the film when they were interviewed.

I suspect they were just told it was a sequel to WITWATS.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
For the record, because the record is liable to be a moving target with these people, here is the 'Press Release', which, BTW, does not appear at Michael J. Murphy's own website:
PRESS RELEASE: Rosalind Peterson and Michael Murphy RE: “Great Culling”
by Neo on December 31st, 2011 at 4:43 PM
Posted In: CHEMTRAILS, WORLD ALERTPRESS RELEASE
http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/...peterson-and-michael-murphy-re-great-culling/

Rosalind Peterson

December 30, 2011



Rosalind Peterson formally requested that that Chris Maple and Paul Wittenberger not use my interview, image, website or any other information related to me in either the trailer or their production of the “Great Culling” due to not only the conspiracy theory title but in linking my name with a variety of issues and conspiracy theory conclusions which I cannot support or document.

Since they did not honor my request, I am informing everyone that I have taken this action and am now in the process of considering legal action against them at this time.

(Note: There are others who were interviewed for this production and I have “no comment” about their statements and/or beliefs other than to not associate myself from the producers narration and the information contained within their production using my name, image, website, photographs, and posters along with their linking of my name to the production title.)

Their Disclaimer below clearly states that their trailer and film is based on their opinions and those interviewed were used to support the opinions of Chris Maple and Paul Wittenberger, possibly against the will or knowledge of those interviewed. I would never associate myself with the premise of this title and was not informed at the time of the interview that this would be the title or premise of this production.

If I had any idea that this would be the title or the premise of this film I would have refused to participate at any level with them.

Framing The World Productions said:
DISCLAIMER: This documentary film “THE GREAT CULLING” and its title are solely based on the opinions of Framing The World Productions, Inc. Our interviewees are in no way associated with the title or it’s final hypothesis and therefore do not necessarily agree with the opinions expressed by any narrator.

Thus, this is formal notification to you of my position with regard to this video and an objection to any use of my name in association with its usage now and in the future. If you have any questions or need additional information please feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,
Rosalind Peterson
Post Office Box 499
Redwood Valley, CA 95470
(707) 485-7520
E-Mail: info@californiaskywatch.com
Website: http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/

Michael J. Murphy said:
Fellow activist,
I am writing to a few of you because of confusion that has been expressed to me from some in the movement. There is a new film that is in production by some who were involved in the filming of “What in the World are They Spraying?” This new film (The Great Culling) is being marketed as the follow-up film to “What in the World are They Spraying?” For the record, Michael J. Murphy and/or Truth Media Productions are in no way connected to or have collaborated in any capacity with or about this new film and also do not plan to be involved in any capacity. Thank you all for your support and please continue to address these crimes with truth and integrity.

For the record, Truth Media Productions and Michael J. Murphy are not at all supportive of statements made by some members involved in the filming of “What in the World are They Spraying?” who are claiming that chemtrail/geoengineering programs are not part of weather control. While we believe that there are many agendas behind these damaging programs, based on the abundance of evidence, weather control is a major factor as discussed in “Why in the World are They Spraying?” Let us not be supportive of deceptive propaganda that can create confusion and division in the movement.

Sincerely,
Michael J. Murphy
www.TruthMediaProductions.us
www.facebook.com/WhatintheWorldAreTheySpraying
www.CoalitionAgainstGeoengineering.org/

Roxy Lopez said:
The Truth Denied has worked tirelessly to expose the truth that surround the chemtrails/ geoengineering issue, and we have made great strides in educating the public of the environmental toxicity associated with the program. It has come to our attention that there has been very little discretion used in the film “The Great Culling” , therefore we have opted out of any further advertisement or support of the film based on our current findings from those who were interviewed for the film. Furthermore, we question the integrity of the producers of the “Great Culling” and are dismayed to hear of Rosalind Peterson’s experience and treatment by the producers, as outlined earlier in this article.

Based on our studies, Chemtrails/Geoengineering are weather modification programs, whose side effects produce environmental toxicity as well as harm to all living things. We wish not to indulge in fear mongering tactics; hence we have provided facts to the public, and tools for activism. In order to preserve the integrity of our service to humanity, we have respectfully opted out of any promotion of the film, as well; it’s producer’s Chris Maple’s and Paul Wittenberger at this time. However, we do acknowledge our support for Rosalind Peterson and Michael Murphy and will continue to so in the future.

This has been an unfortunate development; nevertheless we felt it necessary to make our decision known to the general public.
Roxy Lopez
www.thetruthdenied.com
info@thetruthdenied.com
 

Mick West

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So, does Wittenburger actually believe there's a "great cull" in operation? Or is this an "ends justify the means" exaggerations to get the message across? Or is it all a hoax?

If he's a 911 truther, why would he promote a hoax? :confused:
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
I don't know what he believes, but Wittenberg doesn't seem very concerned with accuracy. His personal website speaks about geothermal engineering chemtrails.....

Michael J. Murphy had some coments on his facebook page, rather negative ones from someone who berated him, and he admitted that he has already spoken about depopulaton, so Rosalind Peterson isn't the only one speaking two-faced. I think he is using Peterson as a tool against his competition.
Its a "Power Play".

She is the woman who never uses the word chemtrails, but appears on Alex Jones who is stoking the "Culling" stuff to strike fear-buying amongst his flock. None of it really makes sense, nor do most of them.

How many times has Michael J. Murphy declared that people were dying, being spayed with poison, and this was a "Crime Against Humanity"? Many times. He knows a large constituency believe this, and fears losing them, so in a later comment he said thank you to the person. However, he reposted the "press release" and an advert for Peterson, and is hoping the negativity falls off the bottom of the page soon....
 

Danny55

Senior Member.
Just been checking G Edward Griffin's FB page and there is very little to do with "chemtrails" , only a couple of posts by others.
Is he disassociating himself from "chemtrails"?
 

Mick West

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I don't think that was ever a major focus for him. He's a conspiracy theorist from way-back and has lots of material, including books, on things like the Fed, cures for cancer, Noah's Ark, etc. Chemtrails was just something he readily accepted when MJM approached him.
 

firepilot

Senior Member.
I don't know what he believes, but Wittenberg doesn't seem very concerned with accuracy. His personal website speaks about geothermal engineering chemtrails.....

Michael J. Murphy had some coments on his facebook page, rather negative ones from someone who berated him, and he admitted that he has already spoken about depopulaton, so Rosalind Peterson isn't the only one speaking two-faced. I think he is using Peterson as a tool against his competition.
Its a "Power Play".

She is the woman who never uses the word chemtrails, but appears on Alex Jones who is stoking the "Culling" stuff to strike fear-buying amongst his flock. None of it really makes sense, nor do most of them.

How many times has Michael J. Murphy declared that people were dying, being spayed with poison, and this was a "Crime Against Humanity"? Many times. He knows a large constituency believe this, and fears losing them, so in a later comment he said thank you to the person. However, he reposted the "press release" and an advert for Peterson, and is hoping the negativity falls off the bottom of the page soon....

There is a lot of infighting going on with the promoters of the chemtrail hoax, its less about the message, and more about being in control of the conspiracy, and trying to be a leader of it. Tony Hilder has been trying to remake chemtrails to be called Aircrap, Death Dumps, Air Auschwitz, but he and the website is just so over the top at times, they have not been successful.

And Michael Murphy, this is silly with him being all sanctimonious regarding others continuing on and making a movie of their own. If the point was really about just trying to expose some nefarious plot, you would think he would be happy about it. However, others making a movie, does nothing to promote Mr Murphy and his Truth Media Productions, which is what this little tiff is all about.
 
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Mick West Debunked: XYO Device Replacing GPS, Saving $2 Million a Day General Discussion 23
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Whitebeard Debunked: Nibiru FOUND? Mysterious gigantic rogue planet spotted lurking outside our solar system Science and Pseudoscience 1
Mick West Debunked: "There Exists a Shadowy Government" — Daniel Inouye Quotes Debunked 0
Mick West Debunked: Delta Lambda Compression General Discussion 16
MisterB Debunked: Isle of Man from Blackpool at water level proves flat earth [refraction] Flat Earth 19
JFDee Debunked: Wernher von Braun confirmed that rockets can't leave earth Conspiracy Theories 23
Mick West Debunked: Missing $21 Trillion / $6.5 Trillion / $2.3 Trillion - Journal Vouchers Conspiracy Theories 33
MikeG Debunked: Obamacare Article 54 (Satire FB Page) General Discussion 2
Mick West Debunked: "Deadly Ultraviolet UV-C and UV-B Penetration to Earth’s Surface:" [Stray Light] Contrails and Chemtrails 32
Astro Debunked: Apollo Lunar Module Hatch Too Small for Spacesuit Science and Pseudoscience 0
Mick West Debunked: NIST's Lack of Explanation for WTC7 Freefall [They Have One - Column Buckling] 9/11 38
Jedo Debunked: WTC7 was the only building not on the WTC block that had a fire on 9/11 9/11 0
Mick West Debunked: Thermite Slag on WTC beams [Oxy Cutting Slag] 9/11 2
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