Debunked: Texas Weather Modification

ssfor27

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Oh Dutch, you really WERE right the first time.....

"At first I thought it might be “bats, birds or bugs”…

http://dutchsinse.tatoott1009.com/6...ly-weather-modification-via-plume-generation/

Those plumes, were, in fact bats. You were right the first time!

Here's a screenshot of KEVW weather radar, the San Antonio area WSR-88D showing a very distinguishable "donut" shaped anomaly, with multiple other smaller anomalies in the area as well:

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Just so happens, in that same exact area as Dutch's "weather modification", is the Bracken Cave. Bracken Cave is the summer home to the largest colony of bats in the world and this anomaly is typical of what you'd expect to see when the bat colony takes flight.

A nice video here from the San Antonio NWS shows past examples of this phenomenon as seen on their radar. At about the 1:30 mark they start showing bat colonies taking flight.


Map showing the distance between the KEWX radar and the bat cave. Compare this to the above screenshot and note how the anomaly lines up directly with Bracken:

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Additionally, the correlation coefficient product (CC) of that anomaly shows a high degree of non-uniformity - EXACTLY as you would expect to see from biological scatterers:


kewx cc 20 june 14.JPG

Below is a guide to interpreting CC values on weather radar. See color values associated with biological targets and compare to above image:

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Info on the Bracken Bat Cave:

http://www.batcon.org/index.php/bat...ation&utm_source=external&utm_medium=redirect



Other documented examples of this phenomenon:

http://www.weather.com/news/science/radar-birds-bugs-bats-smoke-20130506?pageno=5

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...001.1073741830.145515532200248&type=1&theater



http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/weathermatrix/20000000-bats-on-radar/19714



Go with your first instinct next time Dutch, it REALLY was bats this time........

And of course the hydrometer is going to show it as some form of precip. The radar thinks it seeing some form of precip, not animals. VIL is based partially upon the strength of the returned energy (reflectivity). Since all anomalies have some form of reflectivity, they will be added into the VIL. But never mind, I know you all these things already Dutch....
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
I have just been writing a post on the same thing.

Debunked: Texas RADAR anomaly = Weather Modification via plume generation



Dutchsinse is claiming that “plumes” showing up on radar in Texas are ground based weather modification in action.
https://www.facebook.com/DutchsinseOfficial/posts/753623298023430
http://dutchsinse.tatoott1009.com/6202014-texas-radar-anomaly-weather-modification-via-plume-generation/
The rings on the radar are in fact bats. If you watch the radar loop out of Austin/San Antonio with any regularity throughout summer and well into the fall you well often see expanding concentric rings from the same spots over and over again right around sunset. The timing of these rings at sunset is consistent with bats as is the location of the rings.
Those rings are large colonies of Mexican Free Tailed bats heading out on nightly foraging missions. Some of them are famous such as the Bracken Cave Colony and Congress Avenue Bridge. Some of the colonies may have over a million bats. Find the origin of the ring on the radar and you’ll find a bat cave (or bridge). The largest ring in the still image that Dutchsinse used in his facebook post originates at Bracken Cave based on the radar loop that he embedded in his dutchsinse.tatoott1009 web article. In the radar loop the ring spread in a generally northwest direction from the ‘source’. Winds were southeasterly at the time of the radar observation.
Biologists have been using radar to track bats for years. Austin/San Antonio is the most famous location for this and Bracken Cave well known.
http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2012/apr/ed_2_radarwildlife/index.phtml
http://quantumbiologist.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/storm-fronts/
http://batcon.org/index.php/media-and-info/bats-archives.html?task=viewArticle&magArticleID=766
Note the year of this article:
VOLUME 14, NO. 3 Fall 1996
Bats Aloft: A Study of High-Altitude Feeding
An ongoing research project is demonstrating that Mexican free-tailed bats go to great heights to intercept some of North America's most costly agricultural pests . . .
McCracken, Gary F.
An ongoing research project is demonstrating that Mexican free-tailed bats go to great heights to intercept some of North America's most costly agricultural pests . . .
By Gary F. McCracken
Millions of bats emerge from the cave, climb higher than the eye can see, and disappear in the evening sky. Returning in the murky light of early morning, the bats appear to swoop straight down from the stratosphere, opening their wings to brake with a "phssst" at the cave's entrance. While not actually the stratosphere, the altitudes to which Mexican free-tailed bats (Tadarida brasiliensis) fly is impressive. Radar studies of the bats from Bracken Cave in Texas show that they fly as high as 10,000 feet (3,000 m), with the densest aggregations at altitudes of 600 to 3,200 feet (200 to 1,000 m) above the ground...
In the spring of 1995, "bats aloft" came to full boil when the U.S. Weather Service's new Doppler radar was turned on at New Braunfels, Texas, only a few miles from Bracken Cave. Every night the Doppler radar detects the huge numbers of free-tailed bats that come out of Bracken Cave and other major roosts. It documents their dispersal over the Texas landscape, and it plots the altitudes and directions from which they return every morning. When I contacted Jim Ward at the Doppler radar facility, he was enthusiastic about using the radar to study high-altitude flight patterns of bats. After hearing the migratory insect hypothesis, Ward suggested that I contact Drs. Wayne Wolf and John Westbrook at the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Research Station at College Station, Texas. I won't soon forget the phone conversation with Wayne Wolf.
The radar returns that Dutchsinse claims are ground based weather modification in action are consistent with previously ground-truthed bat colonies and dispersal behavior. I can’t see any good reason to think these are anything other than weather radar bouncing off of millions of flying animals.
Examining some of Dutchsinse’s specific observations and related claims.
Biologists confirmed over 20 years ago that bats reach high altitude regularly on their nightly foraging runs.
Bats can fly quite high and fast. 60mph was documented 20 years ago.
VOLUME 12, NO. 3 Fall 1994
THE LIVES OF Mexican Free-tailed Bats
Tuttle, Merlin D.
BY MERLIN D. TUTTLE
Despite their rather plain appearance, these are some of the world's most intriguing bats. Speedsters of the bat world, they have been clocked flying at 60 miles per hour using tail winds, and at altitudes over 10,000 feet, higher than any other bat

Dutch appears to be over-estimating the dispersal rate a bit. The velocity product didn’t show any targets moving at 90mph. The bats that dispersed toward the NW from Bracken did move pretty fast though. Observation of surface wind in New Braunfels yesterday at 19:51 CDT was wind SE 18 gusting to 23. Dispersal should have spread NW from the cave and it did and it looked like bats have looked on weather radar for 20 years.
This timing of the appearance of the “plumes” should be the first clue that the ring returns on radar here are from bats.
Those are all products generated from the same dataset. Those data are just processed differently to look at different aspects of the stuff in the sky. Base reflectivity is the amount of the signal that bounced back. If something is reflective and moving then it will show up on the velocity product. It isn’t a “velocity cloud”. It is a group of returns moving at a particular velocity relative to the radar. If a bunch of particles in the air reflect the signal back to the radar then the computer will consider them to be precipitation unless some filter tells it not to. There is no “hydrometer” reading showing the returns a liquid. It is just what happens when radar detects stuff in the air whether it is purple martins in the morning, migrating birds at night, bats in the evening, ash clouds from a big fire, etc…The radar mistakes these things for precipitation which causes errors in certain radar derived weather products.
 
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ssfor27

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We think alike Scombrid :) I just had to jump on this when I saw it. Any real investigator would have considered all possibilities before making such a foolish post. It was so easy to find documentation of similar events, it would have taken him all of 10 minutes to find such information. But that is not his way.

Not sure you saw my other post, but he plans to exonerate the NWS live tonight with the "discovery" of a new and repeatable experiment:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...363126717073092.106418.296574443728320&type=1
 

Efftup

Senior Member.
so.. The US government is covertly using BATS for Geo engineering purposes? Is that what you are saying?




lol :)
 

ssfor27

Active Member
It's simple. He says go to College of Dupage. Pick any 3 intersecting WSR-88D locations. He used 2 in Nevada as well as KMTX in Northern Utah. Put them up side by side, if possible. Then sit back and watch storms form at the 50 and 100 nautical mile markers "EXACTLY" as he put it. He did say that even on a clear day this works as that is why he chose NV/UT.

Then once the storms have formed, pay attention to which one is "pulsing" and you will see the storms drawn towards that particular radar as it is the "most powerful" of them as he describes. It goes back to his "crossing of the beams" lunacy he's promoted in the past. That where the "frequencies intersect", the radars are creating a "scalar resonance frequency". Utter and completely clueless drivel is all it was. Not a single word out of his mouth made any sense or was technically correct. But his viewers won't know the better.

http://weather.cod.edu/buildmap/nexrad_build.php

He's supposedly coming out with a video detailing this, which I will jump on if he does so.

I find it interesting that he went from "A bit of everything... running down a new discovery in regards to RADAR... then we're laying it all out... everything.... and I mean EVERYTHING." to just less than 10 minutes time dedicated to this new discovery on his 2 hour show AFTER I posted that link here earlier. That original post that I have the screenshot of above also conveniently disappeared.


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ssfor27

Active Member
so.. The US government is covertly using BATS for Geo engineering purposes? Is that what you are saying?




lol :)
Bats, chaff, temperature inversions, sea breezes.....even birds and bugs...you name it. They've all got spray mechanisms attached in various configurations.....
 

Efftup

Senior Member.
AND unlike jet aircraft, birds and bats fly at a height where their spray is not hopelessly inefficient. Just see the state of my car. it gets unnerringly target with birdshit as soon as it is cleaned.
 

Belfrey

Senior Member.
It's pretty spectacular to watch them swarm out of a big roost, the numbers are astounding. There are two big bat houses (supposedly the world's largest) on the University of Florida campus. Savvy watchers bring an umbrella, though. People always look at us funny, until they start to feel the sprinkles (it ain't rain).
 

otterwalks

New Member
Greetings, While far from perfect, I have been archiving radar returns for years. At this moment as I do not and never will use Facebook nor Twitter, I lack some historical data regarding the KEWX bat conversations. I will say that I have seen this anomaly countless times across the Republic. My follow up has shown that where they are generated, there is a radar system of some nature. It has come to pass that there have even been mobile units on maneuvers that have leaned my thoughts toward RF. As suggested, I will be keeping an eye on San Antonio this year as the season changes. As always I live and learn. Thanks for your time and efforts. o...

Post script. That crossing of the beams thing sounds an awful lot like Tesla's posits on the creation of a Scalar Bottle or as often called Box. I do not know Dutch Think; but Tesla, I tip my hat to. o...
 
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otterwalks

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Greetings, This type of communication is far from perfect, and this is not my first language. I will say that there are many things that show up on Radar. Bats may be the exact answer for the examples given, though I have not, as mentioned, seen the original article that sparked this thread.
I will say that today alone, on CoD_NEXLAB, I saw the same kind of returns out of four different locations. I am fairly certain that KBOX did not show organic life in northeast MA, nor in the ocean between CT and Long Island, NY.
It was not long ago that I wrote an article about the anomalous returns around KEWX; this with NO knowledge of your ongoing dialogue. It seems Bats are a sound supposition for the location, though there is far more data to cross reference in the full picture of that event type. I hope to add, not negate informational data. o...
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
As far as this thread is concerned, the rings displayed in the opening post are bats. They originate at known bat colonies and at the time of day during which Mexican free-tailed bats emerge from their roosts to forage. There is a field known as aeroecology that uses radar to study the movements of biological targets.

Any animal that flies high enough to reflect the radar signal will register on the radar. Rings indicating dispersal of massive numbers of animals are peculiar to Mexican free-tailed bats and purple martins. The neat thing is that martins are diurnal and the bats are nocturnal but they have similar feeding ecology so they present similar signatures to radar. Purple martin roost rings (you can google that for examples of ornithologists and bird watchers using radar to identify purple martin colonies) show up just before dawn and the Mexican freetailed bat rings show up at dusk.

These are but two of many many non-precipitation returns that pop up on unfiltered weather radar displays. Some things are real reflections of stuff in the sky, some things are ground based targets showing up due to anomalous propagation, and some things are internal errors in the machine and all have their own signature that an experienced observer understands.
 
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scombrid

Senior Member.
I loaded the 200 image base reflectivity and relative velocity loops from KBOX and KOKX at 1300 UTC on September 9, 2014. Rings appear in southern Connecticut and northeastern Mass. at about 1030 UTC on both the mornings of September 8 and September 9. The shape of them, the speed of dispersal as indicated by relative velocity, and their appearing at daybreak is consistent with them being pre-migratory bird colonies.

Ornithogists indicate that there is a well known Tree Swallow colony at Old Lyme, Connecticut some indicating that the actual roost is on Goose Islaned. They are massing together in huge colonies and feeded up before they migrate south for winter. I see no reason to think that the other rings appearing at daybreak are anything other than birds given that the prominent ring in Southern CT that extends over Long Island Sound is confirmed as birds and all rings there are consistent with biological targets.

I did learn something new. It isn’t just purple martins that make the rings. Other colonial insect eating birds have a similar diurnal dispersal pattern when flocked up in pre-migratory colonies.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/22/observed-planet-a-dawn-torrent-of-tree-swallows/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXToIhlDNhM

http://articles.courant.com/2011-08-27/features/hc-swallow-migration-20110827_1_tree-swallows-david-w-winkler-birds
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
Apparently the flock in southern Connecticut is sufficiently large that watching them return to the roost in the evening is a tourist attraction.
 

solrey

Senior Member.
Caught a roost ring this morning in the vicinity of Willamette Mission State Park just north of Salem, OR. Several smaller roost rings can be seen in the vicinity of Silverton and Silver Falls State Park in the Cascade foothills. As a bonus to start my day, for several minutes I stood within 20 feet of a Merlin that had buzzed right over my head yesterday and has been hanging out in the neighborhood for the past couple of days.


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ssfor27

Active Member
We can all be assured Dutchsinse will be making new HAARP ring posts over the next couple weeks as bird migrations spin up.
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
Radars in the central Mississippi Valley lit up Saturday night after that front passed. But the broader movement of seasonal nocturnal migration looks a good bit different on radar than these crepuscular roost rings.
 

solrey

Senior Member.
One of his fans caught the action overnight Friday across the Upper Midwest/Great Lakes after the same front had passed that region.

Yeah, the living creatures are birds.


The migration forecast map for Friday night showing favorable winds exactly where the radar picked up migrating birds.

 

ssfor27

Active Member
Otterwalks - I work for the National Weather Service as an electronics technician. I work with the WSR-88 radar, aka "NEXRAD" on an almost daily basis. I can assure you that most, if not all, the anomalies you see on weather radar have a logical explanation. But they are not HAARP, laser emissions, or any other kind of weather modification. There is no one singular explanation for all of them - the possible explanations are numerous and can range from biological returns (as seen in this thread) to internal malfunctions of the radar itself, to software rendering errors on the web site you are viewing, to any other number of things. If there are any anomalies that pique your interest in the future, please feel free to post them. Myself and the rest of the folks here would be more than happy to give it a shot to give you some type of reasonable explanation. But again, please be assured, the NEXRAD is NOT capable of generating and or controlling weather in any way. It's a simple weather monitoring device and that is all it is.
 

otterwalks

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Otterwalks - I work for the National Weather Service as an electronics technician. I work with the WSR-88 radar, aka "NEXRAD" on an almost daily basis. I can assure you that most, if not all, the anomalies you see on weather radar have a logical explanation. But they are not HAARP, laser emissions, or any other kind of weather modification. There is no one singular explanation for all of them - the possible explanations are numerous and can range from biological returns (as seen in this thread) to internal malfunctions of the radar itself, to software rendering errors on the web site you are viewing, to any other number of things. If there are any anomalies that pique your interest in the future, please feel free to post them. Myself and the rest of the folks here would be more than happy to give it a shot to give you some type of reasonable explanation. But again, please be assured, the NEXRAD is NOT capable of generating and or controlling weather in any way. It's a simple weather monitoring device and that is all it is.
ssfor27_ Greetings, I took time and looked at the article. I would agree that the opening posit is flawed.
As to credentials, I cannot address specifics, I can say having worked on my first array in the mid 70's that HAARP like systems are not NEXRAD. Your data is agreeable; that is, until you negated it with a_BUT. I worked within R&D well above, though well before, those in the game now. That does not preclude my continued knowledge of reality. Myriad potentials exist regarding imagery, flawed, or true as is; given the workings of the Tech. Dutch starts by stating the incorrect time. That issue goes to my query regarding this type of return being imaged at all hours of the day and night. As well across the 48. These systems use and its presentment of events are not alined. Technical, Political, Individual Persons Interests, and realities beyond, are within the realm of the workings of electromagnets and the guise of it's radiance use to ends unspoken. The record shows the existence of Weather Modification. My life has been immersed in it first hand. The biologic capture by NEXRAD would have a far more linear consistency if all Radomes worked the same. We both know that is not the case. So DUTCH presents a posit that is flawed on several levels. My first contention was that I am not perfect. In life and times, I am highly educated and my own best source. Thank you for your data regarding NEXRAD as it is today; with the apparent
between the lines allusions. o... Post Script_I should have my icon up. Apologies, I may be gone for some time as this device is showing Filesystem Volume corruption which CNET, it seems, must address. Not an easy task from here. Adieux...
 

ssfor27

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what, exactly, did I negate by saying "BUT they are not HAARP?"

With that statement I am telling you the returns you see on weather radar could be any number of different things ranging from biological returns, to temperature inversions, to incoming or outgoing sea / lake breezes, to other RF interference, to internal equipment malfunctions of the radar itself, etc., etc. - BUT they are most definitely not HAARP.

radar can only "see" it's own reflected energy or another source of energy very close to its own operating frequency. Everything else is filtered out.

Imagine if a radar could "see" every source of energy out there and allowed all of them to pass through for post processing......the imagery would literally be a puddle of mud.

There are no between the lines allusions. I am telling you flat out, weather modification does NOT exist. NEXRAD is NOT capable of doing any of the things Dutchsinse or WeatherWar101 would lead tens of thousands to believe that they can do.

What I was telling you, however, that I am more than happy to explain to the best of my abilities what each anomaly you see is a result of. If there are times that I cannot, there are no between the lines allusions. Sometimes with a radar anomaly, it is not immediately clear what caused it. But that certainly doesn't mean anything underhanded, supernatural, alien, or otherwise devious in any way. It just means sometimes we don't always know.
 

Gunguy45

Senior Member.
Though I am sure the current radar systems have improved greatly, there are still some odd things they do.

About 20 yrs ago I was on a Navy ship heading from South America to Africa. I happened to be on watch when we started painting the coastline with our surface search radar (approx 20-30 mile nominal range). Problem was, we were supposed to be over 200 miles away at the time. People were scrambling all over to see who had made the navigation error. I had to explain to them about "ducting". 10 min later the trace vanished and we arrived on schedule.

There were also issues when we were in convoy all using the same system. We often had to adjust parameters (sorry, I don't remember if it was freq, pulse width, or what) to avoid being blind or getting huge flashes as the beams crossed.

Sorry if this is a bit OT, but radar is what it is. It will show returns from anything that reflects it's energy, whether it be a huge flock of birds or bats, dense rain, or a plane in the air. Digital filtering can remove some things of course.
 

Trailblazer

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I would love to know where this idea of radar "creating" the weather, rather than simply reporting on it, came from. It just seems so totally at odds with reality: who first made that leap of logic?
 

SR1419

Senior Member.
Oh Dutch, you really WERE right the first time.....

"At first I thought it might be “bats, birds or bugs”…

http://dutchsinse.tatoott1009.com/6...ly-weather-modification-via-plume-generation/

Those plumes, were, in fact bats. You were right the first time!
This article tangentially confirms Dutch's initial thoughts...doesn't he live near St. Louis?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/09/24/butterfly-swarm-weather-radar-st-louis/16147795/
 
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