Debunked: Soul Leaving Body Photo (Russian scientist Konstantin Korotkov)

[Pete Tar]

This is (in my opinion*) obviously staged, but how do I find the original use of it?

Scientist Photographs The Soul Leaving The Body
17:38 ADG UK 6 comments
The timing of astral disembodiment in which the spirit leaves the body has been captured by Russian scientist Konstantin Korotkov, who photographed a person at the moment of his death with a bioelectrographic camera.
http://www.adguk-blog.com/2013/09/scientist-photographs-soul-leaving-body.html#.UkIwhYWmqls.facebook

I haven't watched the videos included in the article, so maybe the above photo is intended as just an artistic interpretation to lead the story and the actual soul image is in the videos.

*cause you know, just in case.


ETA...

Actually, it seems this is the image they're talking about...

http://www.disclose.tv/forum/scientist-photographs-the-soul-leaving-the-body-at-death-t86977.html
Still, how do I find the top image's original source/creator?


ETA...

Whoops, even that one isn't the one... it's from a sauna.

http://www.bornagainfitnessandnutrition.com/Infrared-Sauna.html

And all the articles use that picture, so apparently that *is* supposedly the image claimed as his work.

Or maybe there isn't even any photo, just the claim that he's doing it.

 

[Boodles]

It says

In other cases... Korotkov has noted that "the soul" of people who suffer a violent and unexpected death usually manifests a state of confusion... and returns to the body in the days following death.

Good to know he's been following people who just happen to die violently and unexpectedly. Down alley ways?

 

[Mick West]

This is a junk story, just repeated and embellished over and over again on "weird news" type sites that are trying to get traffic. Dates back to at least 2009. The headline seeems to come from ATS
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread495822/pg1

Which references what might be the original story:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110618015910/http://mosnews.com/weird/2009/07/30/photosoul/

Russian scientist photographs souls
30 Jul, 07:08 PM [2009]

The activity of Konstantin Korotkov, deputy director of the St. Petersburg Research Institute of Physical Culture and world-renowned authority on Kirlian photography, was recently highlighted by Life.ru. Korotkov is the developer of the gas-discharge visualization (GDV) technique in Kirlian photography.

Kirlian photography takes its name from Soviet electrician Semyon Kirlian, who discovered the process in 1939. It was the subject of extensive research in the 1970s in the Soviet Unionand the West. It is commonly described as photographing an object's aura. According to a website associated with Korotkov, he "confirmed earlier observations… that the stimulated electro-photonic glow around human fingertips contained astonishingly coherent and comprehensive information about the human state – both physiological and psychological."

In other words, the GDV technique, which was developed in the late 1990s, can be used for diagnostic and assessment purposes. It is already used to measure stress and monitor the progress of medical treatments. In its most sophisticated form, the GDV technique is incorporated with computer imaging.

Now scientists have taken GDV photographs of a person as he was dying. In the photos, it could be seen that the area of the belly lost its life force (the purported soul) first, followed by the head. The heart and groin were the last to lose their life force, in that order.

Scientists using the GDV technique say that the aura of those who die unexpectedly or violently differs from those who experience a calm death. The souls of the former remain in a state of confusion for several days and return frequently to their bodies, especially at night. Korotkov ascribes that phenomenon to unused energy retained by the soul. He suggests that the GDV technique will also have applications for distinguishing genuine psychics from frauds.

The sauna thermal imaging photos show up in DavidIcke.com
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79949

 

[Mick West]

The first photo is just a stock image by Argentinian photographer Oscar Burriel

http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/287461/enlarge

Transfiguration: ghostly figure leaving body
M765/0052 Rights Managed

Credit: OSCAR BURRIEL/SCIENCE PHOTO LIBRARY

Caption: MODEL RELEASED. Departing spirit. Abstract image of a young man's ghostly spirit or soul leaving his body as he lies on a bed. This change of form, or transfiguration, could represent the departing of the soul to heaven. However, it might represent the spiritual enlightenment achieved through meditation.

It's part of a series of similar photos by Burriel

 

[Pete Tar]

Thanks - how did you find that? My google skill is poor.

 

[Pete Tar]

Scientists using the GDV technique say that the aura of those who die unexpectedly or violently differs from those who experience a calm death. The souls of the former remain in a state of confusion for several days and return frequently to their bodies, especially at night. Korotkov ascribes that phenomenon to unused energy retained by the soul. He suggests that the GDV technique will also have applications for distinguishing genuine psychics from frauds.

Well where's the data? This is big news isn't it?

So the story 'Russian scientist photographs soul leaving body', doesn't actually have any photos attached to it, just an interview. Disappointed.

 

[Mick West]

Thanks - how did you find that? My google skill is poor.

Google was actually no help, I used TinEye:
http://tineye.com/

Searched for the image, then clicked on "Oldest", three pages of results, the last one (presumably the oldest) with a watermark.

(actually, the last one was the newest, oh well, sometimes you just have to shake the internet and see what drops out)

 

[A J DAVIS]

How can you guys say this is "Debunked" when you haven't even found the original study.

Here is a link to the study

http://www.korotkov.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/GDV-After-Death_e.pdf


Here is Prof. Konstantin Korotkov credentials as to his credibility as a scientist


Professor of Computer Science and Biophysics at Saint-Petersburg Federal University of Informational Technologies, Mechanics and Optics. Professor of Research in Saint Petersburg Academy of Physical Culture, and the President of the International Union for Medical and Applied Bioelectrography.


Probably a bit more advanced in his field than any of you lot who have nothing better to do than shoot down any ideas/theories or studies that you don't happen to agree with due to your materialistic western conditioning (I'm from the UK myself, born and bred in Cambridge).



Such a shame that when you google this mans name, this is the 2nd page to come up... slandering a mans name and research with no evidence. Doesn't that go against your proposed purpose here?

 

[Mick West]

How can you guys say this is "Debunked" when you haven't even found the original study.

Here is a link to the study

http://www.korotkov.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/GDV-After-Death_e.pdf


Here is Prof. Konstantin Korotkov credentials as to his credibility as a scientist


Professor of Computer Science and Biophysics at Saint-Petersburg Federal University of Informational Technologies, Mechanics and Optics. Professor of Research in Saint Petersburg Academy of Physical Culture, and the President of the International Union for Medical and Applied Bioelectrography.


Probably a bit more advanced in his field than any of you lot who have nothing better to do than shoot down any ideas/theories or studies that you don't happen to agree with due to your materialistic western conditioning (I'm from the UK myself, born and bred in Cambridge).



Such a shame that when you google this mans name, this is the 2nd page to come up... slandering a mans name and research with no evidence. Doesn't that go against your proposed purpose here?

It is the photo that is being debunked here.

 

[A J DAVIS]

It is the photo that is being debunked here.

So an incorrectly used stock image used by an amateur website is more worthy of discussion than the actual proclaimed statement of evidence of the human spirit leaving the body?

Guess if theres nothing better to be done, fair play to you lot.... pity this guys name is being tarnished when he has nothing to do with third-party amateur blogs.

 

[Mick West]

So an incorrectly used stock image used by an amateur website is more worthy of discussion than the actual proclaimed statement of evidence of the human spirit leaving the body?

Guess if theres nothing better to be done, fair play to you lot.... pity this guys name is being tarnished when he has nothing to do with third-party amateur blogs.

Feel free to start a new thread debunking his main claim of evidence.

 

[occams rusty scissor]

So an incorrectly used stock image used by an amateur website is more worthy of discussion than the actual proclaimed statement of evidence of the human spirit leaving the body?

Guess if theres nothing better to be done, fair play to you lot.... pity this guys name is being tarnished when he has nothing to do with third-party amateur blogs.

You must have missed the reply/thread above - the conversation was about the unrelated photos being incorrectly used in a story that has since been spread around as though it was truth, I.E. debunking. Not "tarnishing" the scientist or his studies.

 

[A J DAVIS]

You must have missed the reply/thread above - the conversation was about the unrelated photos being incorrectly used in a story that has since been spread around as though it was truth, I.E. debunking. Not "tarnishing" the scientist or his studies.

Perhaps his name should be removed from the thread title? As If I were him I would be threatening legal action for the removal or renaming of this thread, considering how high up it is listed in the google search for simply his name.



PS. I am not trying to debunk the claim, as I have no reason to suspect it is false or fraudulent. Our current understanding of science is A. limited, and B. restricted. There is cutting edge technology and research out there that only science-fiction novelists could imagine, but the general public have no access or knowledge of it's existence and how far in advancement it really is (old benchmark used to be on average black project tech is 50 years advanced of consumer).

Anyway, I think you guys would do well to look into the other world of existence, intuition, common sense, spirituality.

Being consumed only with rigid, hard current-day logic is to limit your understanding and mindset to that of a computer.

 

[occams rusty scissor]

Perhaps his name should be removed from the thread title? As If I were him I would be threatening legal action for the removal or renaming of this thread, considering how high up it is listed in the google search for simply his name.

There is no legal action to be taken because there's no defamation occurring. In fact, if you look at it from another angle, it could be seen as trying to separate the garbage that has been attached to his name, which is still part of debunking. For example - The photos mentioned have been used to falsely represent his work and therefore make him look less credible.

PS. I am not trying to debunk the claim, as I have no reason to suspect it is false or fraudulent. Our current understanding of science is A. limited, and B. restricted.....

...Anyway, I think you guys would do well to look into the other world of existence, intuition, common sense, spirituality.

Being consumed only with rigid, hard current-day logic is to limit your understanding and mindset to that of a computer.

That's not what is being discussed here, and not really the purpose of this thread. If you want to debate the claims re the professors research maybe start another thread?

 

[Chew]

Here is Prof. Konstantin Korotkov credentials as to his credibility as a scientist

Of all the institutions he listed as being a member, this one below is the only one that exists outside what is solely associated with him, i.e. he created the others himself:

Saint-Petersburg Federal University of Informational Technologies, Mechanics and Optics.

And he is not a faculty member of it.

 

[NoParty]

Perhaps his name should be removed from the thread title? As If I were him I would be threatening legal action for the removal or renaming of this thread, considering how high up it is listed in the google search for simply his name.

PS. I am not trying to debunk the claim, as I have no reason to suspect it is false or fraudulent. Our current understanding of science is A. limited, and B. restricted. There is cutting edge technology and research out there that only science-fiction novelists could imagine, but the general public have no access or knowledge of it's existence and how far in advancement it really is (old benchmark used to be on average black project tech is 50 years advanced of consumer).

Anyway, I think you guys would do well to look into the other world of existence, intuition, common sense, spirituality.

Being consumed only with rigid, hard current-day logic is to limit your understanding and mindset to that of a computer.

No offense, but ~99% of the internet appears to be little more than personal prejudice passing as "common sense," etc.

I come to this site largely to get beyond all that noise.

If you are invested in continuing to think that there's really something to Korotkov's Kirlian-tinged assertions
(I'm not, personally...& after reading the link you provided, I'm even more inclined to think K's "soul" chat is just circular double-speak)
then you probably should not begin a new thread...since your desire to continue believing would probably be at
odds with the "current-day logic" (as you call it) that you do not care for. Best of luck, though.

 

[zora]

This was also my question, like Pete Tar asked, and therefore I found this forum..
For "sauna" pictures I was thinking , maybe it was other way, they used original pictures of dr. Korotkov,because given link under pictures is not found.. even server is not found... But I didn't find pictures of soul leaving body nowhere.
On official site of dr. Korotkov http://www.korotkov.eu/
he answered to the similar question, "where to find pictures?", giving link which was only text about research,-no pictures.

This is (in my opinion*) obviously staged, but how do I find the original use of it?

Scientist Photographs The Soul Leaving The Body
17:38 ADG UK 6 comments
The timing of astral disembodiment in which the spirit leaves the body has been captured by Russian scientist Konstantin Korotkov, who photographed a person at the moment of his death with a bioelectrographic camera.
http://www.adguk-blog.com/2013/09/scientist-photographs-soul-leaving-body.html#.UkIwhYWmqls.facebook

I haven't watched the videos included in the article, so maybe the above photo is intended as just an artistic interpretation to lead the story and the actual soul image is in the videos.

*cause you know, just in case.


ETA...

Actually, it seems this is the image they're talking about...

http://www.disclose.tv/forum/scientist-photographs-the-soul-leaving-the-body-at-death-t86977.html
Still, how do I find the top image's original source/creator?


ETA...

Whoops, even that one isn't the one... it's from a sauna.

http://www.bornagainfitnessandnutrition.com/Infrared-Sauna.html

And all the articles use that picture, so apparently that *is* supposedly the image claimed as his work.

Or maybe there isn't even any photo, just the claim that he's doing it.

 

[Jon Lawhead]

How can you guys say this is "Debunked" when you haven't even found the original study.

Here is a link to the study

http://www.korotkov.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/GDV-After-Death_e.pdf


Here is Prof. Konstantin Korotkov credentials as to his credibility as a scientist


Professor of Computer Science and Biophysics at Saint-Petersburg Federal University of Informational Technologies, Mechanics and Optics. Professor of Research in Saint Petersburg Academy of Physical Culture, and the President of the International Union for Medical and Applied Bioelectrography.


Probably a bit more advanced in his field than any of you lot who have nothing better to do than shoot down any ideas/theories or studies that you don't happen to agree with due to your materialistic western conditioning (I'm from the UK myself, born and bred in Cambridge).



Such a shame that when you google this mans name, this is the 2nd page to come up... slandering a mans name and research with no evidence. Doesn't that go against your proposed purpose here?

I just read the study, and I'm not sure what exactly is being claimed here. From what I can tell, he was able to detect some measurable bioelectrical activity in human bodies after death, and some of the patterns he observed in its decline appeared to corresponded to different "kinds" of deaths. That's neat, but it's hardly evidence of souls or anything supernatural. The human body, like all living things, is a tremendously complex system, with many mutually constraining physical processes taking place all the time. Many of those processes have an electrical component. Death represents the cessation of some of those processes--the ones responsible for the autopoiesis of the organism as a whole--but very many of them persist long after death. Even setting aside the activity of the non-somatic microbiome, there's no reason to think that cellular metabolism or even mitosis ought to suddenly cease all at the same time at the moment of clinical death; in fact, discovering that they did would be significantly more surprising than discovering that they do not. There's no reason to think that biological processes shouldn't take some time to "spin down," just like a mechanical flywheel after the power is turned off. That's exactly what you'd expect from a physical system.

As far as the curve shape and death type correlation, I'd be very interested to see the raw data. It's not terribly surprising that (say) a death from old age would be metabolically distinct from the violent death of a young person caused by brain trauma. There are all sorts of cellular and metabolic differences between the young and old, and different causes of death might well have wide-ranging impacts on many biological processes.

This topic is probably worth more exploration, as knowing more about how various systems break down after death could well have great medical applications. Death is a process--or, rather, the corruption of certain processes--not a singular, temporally distinct event. The more we know about how it works, the more likely we are to be able to stave it off. I see no reason to think that any of this implies that there's anything supernatural going on, though.

 

[Sol]

Of all the institutions he listed as being a member, this one below is the only one that exists outside what is solely associated with him, i.e. he created the others himself:



And he is not a faculty member of it.

He does appear to be a faculty member:

http://www.ifmo.ru/ru/viewperson/109/korotkov_konstantin_georgievich.htm