Debunked: NOAA and NWS Gag Order

TWCobra

Senior Member.
Dane Wigington has reported gag orders at NOAA and the US NWS implying that employees are under some sort of threat regarding releasing information, presumably about Geo-Engineering.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/...g-order-on-national-weather-service-and-noaa/ (.", "\.)
The power structure is beginning to panic as the public wakes up to the criminal climate engineering insanity. The growing police state is completely out of control and becoming unimaginably blatant with their actions. In recent weeks Washington has placed "gag orders" on the following agency employees, "The National Weather Service", the "National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration", and the "US Department of Commerce"^. This is a massive red flag that should trigger alarm bells everywhere.
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The actual gag orders appear to relate to industrial matters between the agencies, their union and an organisation called PEER: Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, an environmental activist group supporting Public Employees.

The gag orders have nothing to do with geo-Engineering but relate to the following release from PEER.^
The complaint cites three gag orders issued in recent weeks by the National Weather Service and its parent agencies, the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration and the Department of Commerce. These orders forbid disclosure of information arising out of –

  • Organizational planning. This confidentiality order forbids disclosure of anything about the Weather Service Organization Workforce Analysis, which has the effect of muzzling any revelations about agency planning and the rationale for planned actions;
  • Grievance settlements. In July, the Commerce General Counsel instituted a policy that any settlement of grievances must include a nondisclosure clause. While it has an exception for “whistleblower cases” that exception comes nowhere close to meeting requirements of the WPEA and would block release of grievances involving actions by agency managers that constitute violations of law or regulation, waste of funds, mismanagement or abuse of authority; and
  • Collective Bargaining. The National Weather Service has just added a confidentiality clause to its ground rules for Collective Bargaining Agreement negotiations which requires that all information about the CBA bargaining process must be held “confidential.”
“The National Weather Service is about the last place where national security-style secrecy rules need to be enforced,” stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch, noting that the broad scope of the gag orders put much of what goes on inside the agency under wraps. “Everyone is free to talk about the weather except for the people working inside the National Weather Service. Go figure.”
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[Update by @Mick West 8/22/2016]:

The Actual NWS "Gag Order" (just regarding collective bargaining)
http://www.peer.org/assets/docs/noaa/10_8 15_Collective_Bargaining_gag.pdf^
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE (NWS) (the Agency) AND THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE EMPLOYEES ORGANIZATION (NWSEO) (the Union) CONCERNING GROUND RULES FOR BARGAINING OVER A TERM COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT

17. External Communication:

a. What happens in negotiations will be kept confidential.
b. Neither party will initiate contact with media to discuss negotiations. If the media contacts either party, that party will notify the other of the contact.
c. The parties understand that each has the responsibility to respond to requests from Congress for testimony and information. If either party determines it necessary to seek to present information on the negotiations to Congress that party will first notify the other party of their intent to contact Congress.
d. Both parties will safeguard information provided during negotiations. If a party believes it necessary to release information deemed confidential by the other party they will notify the party before releasing it.
e. Each party has the right to communicate with its respective constituency and seek information from its constituency to assist in bargaining.

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The NOAA "Gag Order" relates only to the "Operations and Workforce Analysis (OWA) project, and seems designed simply to avoid early release of the workgroup's reports.
http://www.peer.org/assets/docs/noaa/10_8_15_Org_Workforce_Analysis_gag.pdf (1)
Confidentiality: Core Team members, consultants, and SMEs are expected to maintain at all times the highest level of privacy and confidentiality regarding all information and materials shared as part of the OWA project, including initial findings and of all Core Team discussions, unless otherwise indicated (e.g., to share an approved project update that is intended to reach all NWS staff). Any interim reports or materials are considered to be drafts and are not to be shared beyond the Core Team and any consultants or SMEs who are providing independent advice. Core Team members will indicate their understanding of this requirement by signing this Charter. Consultants and SMEs will be covered as appropriate by separate non-disclosure agreements.
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The grievance bargaining "gag order" only applies to the union, and not the employees. The union (the NWSEO sometimes on behalf of the employee in grievance negotiations, and this stops the union from discussing details of settlements. It does not stop the employee from doing so.
http://www.peer.org/assets/docs/noaa/10_8_15_Grievance_Gag_Order.pdf (1)
(July 13, 2015) The General Counsel of the Department of Commerce instituted a new policy demanding that any settlement of unresolved grievances include a non-disclosure clause that will prohibit NWSEO from letting NWS employees know what the union has achieved, or how the parties’ collective bargaining agreement has been interpreted and applied.
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So all of these "gag orders" are very limited in scope, and really do not stop most employees from talking about anything - and certainly not about the weather.
 

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SR1419

Senior Member.
Dane Wigington has reported gag orders at NOAA and the US NWS implying that employees are under some sort of threat regarding releasing information, presumably about Geo-Engineering.

I must say the comments on GEWatch are pretty discouraging...the same old myths and falsehoods that we have been attempting to correct for years:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/...onal-weather-service-and-noaa/#comment-122055


but interesting comment from Dane:

Hello Rosalie, my own mother has all but disowned me as she refuses to face reality. The same with my only brother. Don’t allow resistance from anyone to deter you from holding to the truth. All those that have so far chosen to remain asleep at the wheel will soon be forced to wake.
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The actual gag orders appear to relate to industrial matters between the agencies, their union and an organisation called PEER: Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, an environmental activist group supporting Public Employees.

The gag orders have nothing to do with geo-Engineering but relate to the following release from PEER.^
The complaint cites three gag orders issued in recent weeks by the National Weather Service and its parent agencies, the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration and the Department of Commerce. These orders forbid disclosure of information arising out of –

  • Organizational planning. This confidentiality order forbids disclosure of anything about the Weather Service Organization Workforce Analysis, which has the effect of muzzling any revelations about agency planning and the rationale for planned actions;
  • Grievance settlements. In July, the Commerce General Counsel instituted a policy that any settlement of grievances must include a nondisclosure clause. While it has an exception for “whistleblower cases” that exception comes nowhere close to meeting requirements of the WPEA and would block release of grievances involving actions by agency managers that constitute violations of law or regulation, waste of funds, mismanagement or abuse of authority; and
  • Collective Bargaining. The National Weather Service has just added a confidentiality clause to its ground rules for Collective Bargaining Agreement negotiations which requires that all information about the CBA bargaining process must be held “confidential.”
“The National Weather Service is about the last place where national security-style secrecy rules need to be enforced,” stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch, noting that the broad scope of the gag orders put much of what goes on inside the agency under wraps. “Everyone is free to talk about the weather except for the people working inside the National Weather Service. Go figure.”
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Nothing has been debunked here.
Straight from the NWS website: "NWS MISSION: Provide weather, water, and climate data, forecasts and warnings for the protection of life and property and enhancement of the national economy."
With that mission in mind, looking at your own quotes from PEER, there actually is a gag order on the NWS employees that prevents them from talking about anomalous weather and what violations, abuses and mismanagement might be going on by leadership in the agency in covering up the facts of geoengineered weather seen by NWS employees. Here's my reasoning:

First,
the "Grievance settlements" section leaves much room for the forbidding of employees to talk about weather engineering that they would obviously know about in the day to day inner workings of the agency as they try to fulfill their stated mission. Think about it, if for argument's sake you accept that aerosol spraying to make clouds and ionospheric heating to move winds and weather are really occurring (which they are ;-) ), then the weather service, to some degree, has been reduced to an agency that announces planned weather manipulations instead of using their great predictive models and meteorological minds to predict the natural weather, which geoengineering has replaced. The employees of this agency would certainly have grievances about that! But they aren't technically "whistleblowers", so there is no exception to the gag rule for those grievances. (I frankly doubt whistleblowers would even get an exception, considering the federal government's obvious disdain and contempt for government whistleblowers).

Second
The PEER Executive Director, Jeff Ruch, himself spoke of the broad scope of the gag orders saying, “Everyone is free to talk about the weather except for the people working inside the National Weather Service". This statement supports my interpretation of the "Grievance Settlement" rules above. These rules are so broad that it amounts to the NWS employees not being allowed to talk about the weather...

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Mick West

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First, the "Grievance settlements" section leaves much room for the forbidding of employees to talk about weather engineering that they would obviously know about in the day to day inner workings of the agency as they try to fulfill their stated mission. Think about it, if for argument's sake you accept that aerosol spraying to make clouds and ionospheric heating to move winds and weather are really occurring (which they are ;-) ), then the weather service, to some degree, has been reduced to an agency that announces planned weather manipulations instead of using their great predictive models and meteorological minds to predict the natural weather, which geoengineering has replaced. The employees of this agency would certainly have grievances about that!

That just silly, as they could just say they don't have a grievance and talk about it anyway. And surely some of them won't have grievances.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
This site (Oct 8, 2015) has the NWS response.. ie. WHY the gag orders and in relation to what specifically.

“This multi-year effort starts by first understanding how the NWS works today, what the strengths of its operating models, organizational structure and workforce are, and to understand the gaps or imbalances between them. This requires developing a baseline of the current situation and future projections.”

The Weather Service is committed to involving the union “throughout the project,” it said, “including developing evaluative criteria, weighing the pros and cons and assessing the feasibility of all options.” All participants were asked to sign a charter that includes a confidentiality clause before viewing material that is “pre-decisional” but a necessary part of the deliberations. “References to the expectation of confidentiality come from [Office of Personnel Management] guidance to agencies on best practices in implementing Executive Order 13522 – Establishing Labor Management Forums and Pre-decisional Involvement,” the statement continued. “It’s unfortunate that NWSEO representatives have refused to sign the confidentiality agreements,” it said. “Until that happens, we will and can only share information on the operations and workforce analysis project with NWSEO that has already been broadly distributed.”
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https://www.govexec.com/management/2015/10/weather-service-staffers-protest-gag-orders-workforce-planning/122678/
 
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