Debunked: French President Hollande: “Illuminati Behind The Paris Attacks” ['illuminés' = 'crazies']

Steve Funk

Senior Member.
Here is a source that says the illuminati did it, quoting President Holland using the words "
ces illuminés ," (with the accent mark over the last e. However, My Harper Collins Robert dictionary says
illuminé as a noun means a pejorative term for visionary or crank. I'll have to check with a couple of native French speakers I know.

Update:, the context of the use of the word is:

Which means:
Last edited by a moderator:

Trigger Hippie

Senior Member.
Here is a source that says the illuminati did it, quoting President Holland using the words "
ces illuminés ," (with the accent mark over the last e. However, My Harper Collins Robert dictionary says
illuminé as a noun means a pejorative term for visionary or crank. I'll have to check with a couple of native French speakers I know.és

I think you're right, in context "ces illuminés" means crank, crack pot, nutjob.


Senior Member
"ces illuminés" means crank, crack pot, nutjob.

I hope not to step on any toes....but this is interesting.

"Illumination" (usually, in the usage in English) means a sort of 'clarity'...(The vision of a light bulb above a person's head, for instance).

This must be the same "root" word? N'est pas? From the original Latin roots? Fascinating. Maybe it's the "ces", which is a pronoun if I recall my French from years ago? "ces" being a group pronoun, equivalent to the English "they".

Must be a cultural thing......I dunno......

(I can't help but be reminded of another iteration of the word..."Illuminati"....(wink)...:D
Last edited:


Closed Account
according to google "illumines" has a meaning to enlighten in a spiritual or intellectual sense, so using it for "crackpot" looks like your basic irony - in that they are the only ones who know "the truth"....and we've all seen that in action on other topics!!

And yes both it and illuminate come from the same latin root "illuminare" - to cast light upon.

Trigger Hippie

Senior Member.é

Translation: Insane.

"illuminés" seems to be a colloquialism... or at least it can be used in that way. The French president used a mildly derogatory term when referring to Hebdo murderers. I think he was being polite.
Last edited:


Senior Member
What was the last bit about Michelle Obama?


Without a translator I already see the words 'menace' and 'death' ("mort").

Oh....translated....past-tense. The FLOTUS is "threatened with death by an illuminated". Very, very serious stuff, there.

Not touching that with a one-hundred foot pole.....

Trigger Hippie

Senior Member.
What was the last bit about Michelle Obama?


According to that dictionary the word "illuminé" can have a colloquial meaning: someone who is crazy, touched... someone who is best left alone. So they used it in a sentence for context, "Michelle Obama got a death threat from a nut"

I'm thinking the "ces illumine" issue should probably have it's own thread. I think it's getting some traction.
Last edited:


Senior Member.
I think in the context of the speech it is painfully clear the President is talking about radical islam.

from video:
from google: (note: google only recognizes the feminine illuminee
"those who committed these acts; these terrorists, these illuminated , these fanatics , have nothing to do with Islam."

and from face book french people:
Illumine, illuminee translation


Pete Tar

Senior Member.
So the person who decided he meant the illuminati doesn't even speak french? This is everything that's wrong with conspiracy theorists these days, that kind of shoddy work wouldn't have gotten much traction in the past.

Marcel Prout

New Member
Native French speaker here (and new member as well)!

I confirm that "un illuminé" means someone who is crazy but in a spiritual/religious sense. Gurus can be called "illuminés" because they think they have been enlightened (or "illuminated") by a great spiritual entity. Same with radical Islamists.

And as cloudspotter noted, the French word for "Illuminati" is "Illuminati", it has nothing to do with "illuminé".

Mick West

Staff member
It's an interesting word, as there's no direct equivalent in English I can think of. I went with the generic "crazies" for the title, but the word illuminé seems to imply some kind of "crazy person who thinks they have received some revelations about the world". In some ways the word "truther" or even the derogatory use of "conspiracy theorist" might fit. But here there's a distinct religious implication, so "religious extremist" might be a better translation of the intent - but then he's also trying to distinguish them from "genuine" muslims, so maybe just plain "crazies" might be best.

The French Wiktionary entry for illuminé translates as:
Google also translates the last as "Bit dangerous mental patient. Sweet crazy that we should not upset."

Green Gogol

New Member
HellO! Another native French speaker and a new member here.

I confirm what Marcel has said, it is a crazy person with religious connotation. But not crazy in the sense of insane. Maybe zealot could be a translation. It is difficult to translate this word. It is said of people who seems a bit too enthusiastic in their belief, that have strange belief, that lacks critical thinking, that are the only one to know the truth.

The term can in fact be applied to CT's quite well. It describes them perfectly.
Last edited:

Green Gogol

New Member
oh by the way, the direct translation is enlightened. It contains boths the concept of light and revelation.

For example, "la pièce est illuminée", means "the room is full of light" or something like that.

And "cette personne à reçu l'illumination" means "this person received a revelation". Like the Buddha.


New Member
This is likely from the Illuminés of France who may have been associated with the Alumbrados (Illuminated), a mystical Christian group from Spain.

The Bavarian Illuminati are not related to either the Illuminés or the Alumbrados. The Illuminati's philosophy was opposite of those groups and scientifically motivated. The founder, Adam Weishaupt, actually wrote a long essay entitled, Lesson for All Members who are Inclined Toward Theosophical Fantasies, where he refutes these mystical beliefs. It's on page 302 in the book listed below.

And the Illuminati-affiliated individuals in Paris, such as Nicholas Bonneville and Thomas Paine, were aligned with the moderates (Girondists/Brissotins) and imprisoned by Robespierre, and nearly killed. So they weren't "fanatics" either.és

Weishaupt's The Improved System of the Illuminati with all its Institutions and Degrees

Green Gogol

New Member
Well, illuminati is in fact the latin translation of illuminés.

But one refers to a specific group and the other is said of a person who think he has the utlimate truth. So their is a link between the two words. And I am fairly certain that illuminé as a word meaning both light and truth came before the group in France.


New Member
I believe illuminati itself is a Latin word, the plural of illuminatus (Latin). And that illuminati is the past participle of illuminare (Latin).

Illuminés is the masculine plural form of illuminer (French) and they are from illuminare.

Karl Valentin

New Member
french is a rather strange language...who the fudge would come up with a past tense form that is only applicable in writings...

so he talked about slightly crazy charming a description for terrorists that killed numerous people...I mean, is there no other word that could´ve been used and prevented all the noise?

Pete Tar

Senior Member.
He wasn't saying it for your or an english speaking audience's benefit - he was a using a word which has a precedent in usage in french.

Green Gogol

New Member
Yes, exactly, he was talking in French to a French audience, so no confusion there. It's only you English people that made the link between illuminati and illuminés. The word illuminés was appropriate in the context.

What do you mean about a past tense only used in writing?


so he talked about slightly crazy charming a description for terrorists that killed numerous people...
Given, as was explained earlier, that the word has a "religious zealot" connotation, it is, on the contrary, completely appropriate.
And this french poster can confirm that this word is used widely without refering the Illuminati.


Senior Member.
There's an fairly close english equivalent used ironically/sarcastically in cases of misadventure such as "who is the 'bright spark' who forgot forgot to screw in the bung for the dingy?.. it's now at the bottom of the harbour making a home for fish"
"Who was the bright spark who thought it was a good idea to grease the brake pads on the bike?" etc
Thread starter Related Articles Forum Replies Date
Trailblazer Debunked: French election fraud by damaging Le Pen ballots [sample ballot papers] Conspiracy Theories 1
Mick West Debunked: Cargo Plane Carrying "Nukes" to Korea [French Air Display] General Discussion 5
Rory Debunked: UK undertaker's claim that Covid vaccine is responsible for spike in deaths Coronavirus COVID-19 0
Marc Powell Debunked: 9/11 truth experts are knowledgeable professionals and their judgments are to be trusted 9/11 195
Marc Powell Debunked: Explosions preparatory to demolition of the WTC North Tower are visible as Flight 175 crashes into the South Tower 9/11 7
Mick West Debunked: Pfizer Developing a Twice-Per-Day COVID Pill, Taken Alongside Vaccines Coronavirus COVID-19 0
Marc Powell Debunked: Demolition “squib” is visible at top of WTC North Tower before Flight 11 crash 9/11 16
Marc Powell Debunked: Construction worker Philip Morelli experienced an explosion in the sub-basement of the North Tower 9/11 0
Marc Powell Debunked: ABC News correspondent George Stephanopoulos reported an explosion in the subway 9/11 1
Marc Powell Debunked: Debris from twin towers was projected upward by explosives 9/11 13
Marc Powell Debunked: Government officials revealed having foreknowledge of Building 7’s collapse 9/11 58
Marc Powell Debunked: NIST computer simulation of Building 7 collapse is inaccurate 9/11 22
Marc Powell Debunked: FEMA reported finding evidence that steel had melted. 9/11 47
Marc Powell Debunked: VP Dick Cheney ordered a standdown of jet fighters on 9/11 9/11 16
Oystein Debunked: Claim that Bobby McIlvaine's injuries ("lacerations") are best explained as result of glass shards and debris from bombs 9/11 22
Marc Powell Debunked: World Trade Center should not have collapsed due to 9/11 fires 9/11 3
Marc Powell Debunked: Firefighter reports of secondary explosions 9/11 3
Marc Powell Debunked: Steel was hurled hundreds of feet by explosives 9/11 4
Marc Powell Debunked: Demolition Explosion Before Collapse of South Tower 9/11 8
Marc Powell Debunked: Explosion in South Tower Lobby 9/11 7
Marc Powell Debunked: Mysterious Explosion Before the Flight 11 Crash 9/11 48
J.d.K Debunked: Marx: "The classes and the races too weak to master the new conditions must give way... They must perish in the revolutionary Holocaust" Quotes Debunked 0
dimebag2 Poll : Which DOD Navy video do you consider debunked ? UFO Videos and Reports from the US Navy 74
Mick West Debunked: Diving Triangle UFO Photos from Reddit [Fake] UFOs and Aliens 37
Theferäl [Debunked] Object Seen From Airplane Above Canberra: 04 Apr 2012 Skydentify - What is that Thing in the Sky? 5
TEEJ Debunked: Claim that Joe Biden's hand passes through microphone during White House press gaggle, 16th March 2021 Election 2020 8
bird_up Debunked: "Interdimensional being" caught on CCTV in Neza, Mexico Ghosts, Monsters, and the Paranormal 6
M Debunked: Atmospheric pressure on Mars is 9 PSI, not 0.09 PSI as claimed by NASA Science and Pseudoscience 75
Patrick Gonzalez Debunked: missing cable on Perseverance landing footage proves it is fake. General Discussion 3
TEEJ Debunked: Biden's Oval Office "Coming Apart at the Seams" [It's a Door] Election 2020 19
derrick06 Debunked: UFO over California Highway (TMZ) UFOs and Aliens 1
P Debunked: 7 Alleged photos of aliens UFOs and Aliens 9
Mick West Debunked: Biden signing "Blank" Executive Orders Election 2020 5
Mick West Debunked: Biden in "Fake" Oval Office Election 2020 27
P Debunked: UN hidden camera: the first UFO contact happened [Deep Fake] UFOs and Aliens 3
Mick West Debunked: 94% of Fulton County Ballots Manually Adjudicated [It's a Process all Batches go Through] Election 2020 0
Mick West Debunked: "Missile Strike" caused Nashville Explosion General Discussion 3
Mick West Debunked: Nashville Explosion was "Across the Street" from the RV General Discussion 0
Mick West Debunked: "Error rate of 68.5% Allowable is .0008%" [Neither is True] Election 2020 4
Mick West Debunked: Claim that the Electoral College Count On Jan 6 will Change the Election Election 2020 136
Rory Debunked: Einstein wrote "blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth" Quotes Debunked 12
Mick West Debunked: Navid Keshavarz-Nia's Claims of "A Sudden Rise in Slope" as Election Fraud Evidence Election 2020 5
Mick West Debunked: Trump's Claim of "1,126,940 votes created out of thin air" in PA Election 2020 9
Mick West Debunked: Crowder's "Fraud Week" Title Graphic (and Why it Matters) Election 2020 1
JFDee Debunked: Democratic senators complained about 'vote switching' by Dominion voting machines in 2019 Election 2020 2
Mendel Debunked: The Democrats are trying to take away freedom of religion Election 2020 6
H Debunked: Dr. Shiva's Scatterplot Analysis of Michigan Precincts Election 2020 43
Mick West Debunked: Suspicious "Biden Only" Ballots in Georgia Election 2020 3
Mick West Debunked: "Nancy Pelosi's long time Chief of Staff is a key executive at Dominion Voting" Election 2020 0
Mick West Debunked: Wisconsin Turnout 89% Impossible High [Actually 72%] Election 2020 1
Related Articles

Related Articles