Debunked: "California Combats Drought With Black-Ops Weather Control"

Bill

Senior Member.
I don't know what the issue is. Cloud seeding is well understood and widely used. Yes the practice was used as a weapon in Vietnam and that application was classified at the time. That it was used is no longer a secret. Despite some claims there's no evidence it was used to cause Typhoons. Just a lot of speculation by the weather control crowd. California is trying to wring what water it can from the air. It's unsure how successful they will be.
 
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Lode

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As long as they only use it to get some rain for the crops and drinking water, I wish them success.
 

Mick West

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I don't know what the issue is. Cloud seeding is well understood and widely used. Yes the practice was used in Vietnam and it was classified at the time. That's not a secret. There's no evidence it was used to cause Typhoons. Just a lot of speculation by the weather control crowd. California is trying to wring what water it can from the air. It's unsure how successful they will be.

Cloud seeding was not classified during Vietnam. Just the fact that they were using it as a weapon was classified (the practice is now illegal).

Cloud seeding has been going on publically since the 1950s. However it needs a rain cloud for it to work:
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014...ime-opportunity-for-california-cloud-seeding/

SACRAMENTO (CBS13) — A crew will try to make the most of a weekend storm promising a chance of rain by seeding clouds to hopefully increase precipitation.

Most pilots fly away from stormy weather, but Jake Mitchem flies directly toward it.

“Which is kinda nice for us, because no one is there,” he said. “We don’t have to worry about anybody.”

It’s just Jake and the clouds up there, and his main goal is to try and make more snow.

He and other pilots at Weather Modification, Inc. in Sacramento will fly into the clouds and do what is known as seeding.

Jake will circle the cloud and when temperatures are cold enough, he’ll release the silver iodide out of flares. Supercooled water in the cloud sticks to the silver iodide and helps more snow grow and eventually fall to the ground.

Cloud seeding can increase snow production by 5 to 15 percent.

That’s why companies like the Sacramento Municipal Utility District hire pilots to seed clouds over areas where they want snow and eventually water to help with their hydroelectric operations.

As a result, they are able to produce electricity at a lower cost, because of the extra water are producing them. Those benefits are shared by farmers and people in the valley.
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the public is always notified. For example in the 1960s (pre-Vietnam):
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-notice-of-intent-to-perform-weather-modification.306/
 

Mick West

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I'm marking this as debunked, as it's not "black-ops weather control", it's just normal cloud seeding. That Forbes article is just ridiculous sensationalism, it reads like a Daily Mail article.
 

Lode

Member
what else could they use it for?

Not in California, but military uses overseas, as has been done in Vietnam. Drones are bad enough...

This is not directly on topic, but related I feel, and is helpful to me:

"Do not hold on to the anger that some of these shocking disclosures of infamy arouse within you"
http://johnsmallman2.wordpress.com/

I posted it on the forum of David Icke, and will now also post it on Alex Jone's site.
In a similar way this forum also defuses a lot of issues that mostly serve to rile people up -including me- and evoke useless unmerited anger. I'm grateful for that.
 

Bill

Senior Member.
Cloud seeding was not classified during Vietnam. Just the fact that they were using it as a weapon was classified (the practice is now illegal).
I thought That was what I was saying. Not that cloud seeding itself was a classified technology.
 

Mick West

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I thought That was what I was saying. Not that cloud seeding itself was a classified technology.

It read to me that by "the practice" you mean cloud seeding. Feel free to edit your post if you want to clarify.
 

Bill

Senior Member.
Not in California, but military uses overseas, as has been done in Vietnam. Drones are bad enough...

This is not directly on topic, but related I feel, and is helpful to me:

"Do not hold on to the anger that some of these shocking disclosures of infamy arouse within you"
http://johnsmallman2.wordpress.com/

I posted it on the forum of David Icke, and will now also post it on Alex Jone's site.
In a similar way this forum also defuses a lot of issues that mostly serve to rile people up -including me- and evoke useless unmerited anger. I'm grateful for that.
It is currently illegal to use weather as a weapon. Are there any specific claims of evidence that this happening. The link said nothing about weather.
 

Mick West

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It is currently illegal to use weather as a weapon. Are there any specific claims of evidence that this happening.

Plenty on conspiracy sites:
https://www.google.com/search?q=weather warfare

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention

The Environmental Modification Convention (ENMOD), formally the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques is an international treaty prohibiting the military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects. It opened for signature on 18 May 1977 in Geneva and entered into force on 5 October 1978.

The Convention bans weather warfare, which is the use of weather modification techniques for the purposes of inducing damage or destruction. The Convention on Biological Diversity of 2010 would also ban some forms of weather modification or geoengineering.[2]

Many states do not regard this as an complete ban on the use of herbicides in warfare, such as Agent Orange, but it does require case-by-case consideration.[3]
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There's no real evidence the US has used it since 1968.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
Not in California, but military uses overseas, as has been done in Vietnam. Drones are bad enough...

This is not directly on topic, but related I feel, and is helpful to me:

"Do not hold on to the anger that some of these shocking disclosures of infamy arouse within you"
http://johnsmallman2.wordpress.com/

I posted it on the forum of David Icke, and will now also post it on Alex Jone's site.
In a similar way this forum also defuses a lot of issues that mostly serve to rile people up -including me- and evoke useless unmerited anger. I'm grateful for that.
just to ease your mind. Countries are monitoring each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention
 

Bill

Senior Member.
Plenty on conspiracy sites:
https://www.google.com/search?q=weather warfare

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention

The Environmental Modification Convention (ENMOD), formally the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques is an international treaty prohibiting the military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects. It opened for signature on 18 May 1977 in Geneva and entered into force on 5 October 1978.

The Convention bans weather warfare, which is the use of weather modification techniques for the purposes of inducing damage or destruction. The Convention on Biological Diversity of 2010 would also ban some forms of weather modification or geoengineering.[2]

Many states do not regard this as an complete ban on the use of herbicides in warfare, such as Agent Orange, but it does require case-by-case consideration.[3]
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There's no real evidence the US has used it since 1968.
Just wanted to see if there was something specific Lode wanted to discuss.
 

PandyFackler

New Member
I'm marking this as debunked, as it's not "black-ops weather control", it's just normal cloud seeding. That Forbes article is just ridiculous sensationalism, it reads like a Daily Mail article.

It's not really a Forbes article though. It's an unedited blog hosted on a separate part of the Forbes website. It's likely that not a single Forbes editor has seen the article or even heard of Pentland.

Oh, and do you still recognize Forbes as the highbrow magazine for investor types? Because guess what: Their website now hosts hundreds of unedited blogs from random, often unpaid writers off the street. Seriously, you can write for them if you want. So now any time you see a Forbes.com story and the URL has "sites/some dude's name here" in the middle, you're not reading a news story from professional Forbes reporters/editors, you're reading a blog post from some random person. That's why you can see a "Forbes" article claiming that a majority of scientists doubt global warming -- in reality, it's a press release written by a shill for the Heartland Institute, an oil-industry-funded group that ran billboards comparing environmentalists to serial killers.
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Quote from a David Wong article. http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-easy-ways-to-spot-b.s.-news-story-internet
 

Mick West

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It's not really a Forbes article though. It's an unedited blog hosted on a separate part of the Forbes website. It's likely that not a single Forbes editor has seen the article or even heard of Pentland.

Oh, and do you still recognize Forbes as the highbrow magazine for investor types? Because guess what: Their website now hosts hundreds of unedited blogs from random, often unpaid writers off the street. Seriously, you can write for them if you want. So now any time you see a Forbes.com story and the URL has "sites/some dude's name here" in the middle, you're not reading a news story from professional Forbes reporters/editors, you're reading a blog post from some random person. That's why you can see a "Forbes" article claiming that a majority of scientists doubt global warming -- in reality, it's a press release written by a shill for the Heartland Institute, an oil-industry-funded group that ran billboards comparing environmentalists to serial killers.
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Quote from a David Wong article. http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-easy-ways-to-spot-b.s.-news-story-internet

Yeah, I've noticed it seems like a popular place for Global Warming deniers to set up shop. Rather sad.
 

PandyFackler

New Member
Yeah, I've noticed it seems like a popular place for Global Warming deniers to set up shop. Rather sad.

They get to benefit from the credibility of the Forbes name, without any of the oversight. It's a shame, but a lot of people see 'Forbes' and assume the article they're reading is legitimate news. Works out well for sensationalism.
 

KC-10FE

Senior Member.
Not in California, but military uses overseas, as has been done in Vietnam. Drones are bad enough...

This is not directly on topic, but related I feel, and is helpful to me:

"Do not hold on to the anger that some of these shocking disclosures of infamy arouse within you"
http://johnsmallman2.wordpress.com/

I posted it on the forum of David Icke, and will now also post it on Alex Jone's site.
In a similar way this forum also defuses a lot of issues that mostly serve to rile people up -including me- and evoke useless unmerited anger. I'm grateful for that.


Having been in the USAF for the last 11 years, and having flown for the last 5 or so, I was wondering what you meant with the post above? It is well known that Agent Orange was sprayed in Vietnam, it is even in our book for promotion testing (The Professional Development Guide, or PDG) talking about Operation Ranch Hand which lasted from 1962 to 1971. It involved spraying an estimated 20 million U.S. gallons of defoliants and herbicides over rural areas of South Vietnam in an attempt to deprive the Viet Cong of food and vegetation cover. Areas of Laos and Cambodia were also sprayed to a lesser extent.

agent-orange-cropdusting.jpg

It seems as if the chemtrail conspiracy movement has been using this fact to somehow "prove" that chemtrails are being sprayed today.
 
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