Debunked: Anti evolution quotes

Jacob1989

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And as far as mutational changes being the "chief building blocks" of evolution, Hermann J. Muller, who won the 1946
Nobel prize for his contributions to the science of genetics, said
IN MORE THAN 99 PERCENT OF CASES THE MUTATION OF A GENE PRODUCES SOME KIND OF HARMFUL EFFECT, SOME DISTURBANCE OF FUNCTION. ... Most mutations are bad; in fact, good ones are so rare that we may consider them ALL as BAD."

To illustrate the effect of gene mutations on an organism, H. Kalmus stated in his book, Genetics, "A popular comparison would be with a watch; if a part of the mechanism is altered by some change, it is very unlikely that the watch will be improved by the accident."
http://www.davidjayjordan.com/EvolutionisaBIGLIE2.html
Does anyone think this is real?
 
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Bfahome

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According to this page (one of many sources I got by googling some of the phrase), the source of the first part of the quote is H. J. Muller, a geneticist. Though even on that page the context is heavily implied to be cases of organisms being exposed to nuclear radiation, not natural genetic mutations.

So the quote itself is real, but the implications they're trying to make with it are not. They've disproven Spider-Man, not evolution.
 

deirdre

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the first quote is discussed here. havent verified it yet



edit here is the full text of the article online

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Spectrar Ghost

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Does anyone think this is real?

"Very unlikely" is not the same as "impossible". It is in the nature of beneficial mutations to propagate (this is what makes them beneficial), while harmful mutations are restricted or eliminated (likewise). Thus statistics ensures that, of the vast number of mutations that occur in a given population, the only ones that are retained in the long term are beneficial in some way.

Let's put it this way: if we take two mutations, one that provides a benefit of 1% (in simple terms it will translate to 1% more offspring having offspring of their own), and one that is equally harmful, and run them for 100 generations, the population with the beneficial mutation will increase by 170% compared to a population with no change in fitness, while the population expressing the harmful mutation will decrease by 73% comparatively.
 
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deirdre

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Does anyone think this is real?
I can find no reference to the Kalmus quote except from anti-evolution sources, so the only way to verify the quote is in the book is to buy it on amazon and read it. Still, im marking this thread as debunked since they botched the Muller quote so bad.. one can assume they 'took license' with the context of the last one as well.
 

Trailspotter

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In 1955, when H.J. Muller allegedly said/wrote this, the molecular basis of genetics was yet unknown. It was just two years since the publication of DNA structure and some six years before the elucidation of the genetic code. These discoveries have redefined the fundamentals of genetics: 'gene' and 'mutation'. In the modern terms, the Muller's quote is not correct; most of DNA 'point' mutations appear to be neutral, having little or no effect on phenotype.
 
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