Daytime moon

JMartJr

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So I am seeing a number of folks posting in various plces that claim that "Decades ago (or when I was a kid, or the like) you never saw the moon in the daytime, eg:
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(This one is over a decade old, which at least illustrates that the moon was visible in the daytime THAT long ago...)

One more current:
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Explaining about how the orbit of the moon around the Earth, and the rotation of the Earth, makes it inevitable that at some times the moon would be visible in the daytime is complex (especially with people who don't believe space is real and the like) but I'd like to be able to take one more step, and show not only that it OUGHT to be visible in the daytime, but that it WAS -- I'd love to find references to the moon being observed in the daylight or photos or even artwork clearly showing a daytime moon, from as far back as it can be found. I am struggling to find anything with Google searches, if anybody has any of that handy, or wants to invest a bit of time hunting something down, I'd be grateful.
 
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A solar eclipse is due to a daytime moon.

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The oldest recorded solar eclipse was recorded on a clay tablet found at Ugarit, in modern Syria, with two plausible dates usually cited: 3 May 1375 BC or 5 March 1223 BC, the latter being favored by most recent authors on the topic
I suppose the moon can't really be seen in these circumstances though as the illuminated side faces away from observers on Earth so maybe historic records of eclipses don't strictly count as evidence of a visible moon. They establish that the moon can be in the daytime sky though.
 
This seems to share qualities with the "Mandela Effect" — where the lack of a memory ("I don't have specific memories of the Moon visible during the day") becomes a false memory ("I remember that the Moon didn't use to be visible during the day.") Except that a lot of people do remember the Moon being visible during the day, so it doesn't catch on.

And like the great Winter Of The Drone, it's also partially attributable to folks looking at the sky less than they did before smart phones and such.
 
Salomon Trismosin "Splendor solis" from 1582, from a treatise on alchemy. Since anybody can paint anything, and since there was a lot of symbolism in alchemy (As we see, for example, when we note that the king is standing in a fire in this painting!) so this is not a naturalistic painting, still it is the oldest image of the Sun and moon in the sky together that I have found.
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I feel like there has GOT to be some reference to observing the moon by daylight in the writing of somebody like Galileo or Brahe or one of those guys, but no joy finding it so far...
 
I was THERE "decades ago", and I remember seeing the daytime moon during the 1940s. But back then, I didn't have a television set (or a PlayStation, or a computer, or an internet) to keep me in the house all the time. Maybe that provides a clue for the clueless who make that silly claim.
 
According to Wikipedia, Aristarchus, who lived around 300BC (quite a few decades ago), used the angle between the half moon and the sun, presumably measured when both were in the sky at the same time, to ascertain the distance to the Sun. With his somewhat crude measurements he did not get the right answer but he did determine that the sun is substantially farther away than the moon.
 
Here's the first reasonably old excerpt I found, from the Bluffton Chronicle, 28 March 1889.

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"Well, if you have ever seen the moon in the daytime, it is because you have not been a very diligent observer of the Heavens."

And, of course, this is referencing a Bible story: Joshua 10:13...

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And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Old enough for you?
 
That's (those're) great, thanks.

I found a reference from a book called "Mr. Palomer" by Italo Calvino in 1983 -- in the book, the reviewer says Calvino has Mr. Palomar repeat Galileo's observation of the moon in the daytime. The reference in the book does not seem to actually mention Galileo, and is not very old -- and I can;t find direct reference to Galileo observing the daytime moon... yet.
 
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Here's another that specifically mentions the idea that you cannot see the moon in the day as the sort of thing a child would believe:

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Source: Boston Evening Transcript, April 7 1891 (but seems to be a reprint from the London magazine Tit-Bits).

In fact I found this exact anecdote repeated in numerous American newspapers in the archives through the 1880s and into the 1890s, the earliest being the Sarnia Observer of March 28 1879. Must have been a slow news decade...
 
Going back to the 19th century should cover the memory of any living person. :-)

It's hard to catch a full moon at daylight, and impossible in the winter.
 
A solar eclipse is due to a daytime moon.
A lunar eclipse can be seen at twilight, when the sun is barely below the horizon. I was once out walking in the park in perfectly well-illuminated twilight when the moon rose with a bite out of it already.
 
So I am seeing a number of folks posting in various plces that claim that "Decades ago (or when I was a kid, or the like) you never saw the moon in the daytime, eg:
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(This one is over a decade old, which at least illustrates that the moon was visible in the daytime THAT long ago...)

One more current:
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Explaining about how the orbit of the moon around the Earth, and the rotation of the Earth, makes it inevitable that at some times the moon would be visible in the daytime is complex (especially with people who don't believe space is real and the like) but I'd like to be able to take one more step, and show not only that it OUGHT to be visible in the daytime, but that it WAS -- I'd love to find references to the moon being observed in the daylight or photos or even artwork clearly showing a daytime moon, from as far back as it can be found. I am struggling to find anything with Google searches, if anybody has any of that handy, or wants to invest a bit of time hunting something down, I'd be grateful.

There is also 'daytime Earth'.......from the Moon....

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