Dane Wigington - Inaccuracies and Omissions

Dan Page

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Actually, there is some foundation to tht first statement. Excessive pollution (such as in parts of China) has the effect of reducing precipitation because the inflated concentration of CCN results in very small droplets that take a llong time to coalesce into big enough droplets to fall as drizzle or rain, etc.
Does Air Pollution Increase Or Decrease Rainfall?
Aerosol pollution slows winds, reduces rainfall

The second statement there just does not make sense. If there is high numbers of CCN, then droplets will be small and this inhibits precipitation (first statement). So how can there be precipitation? By the time the droplets have coalesced enough to fall as precipitation, it is too late to measure the size distribution of the droplets! But you can sort of see where he was going with it.
The way I understand CCN is that it is required for water vapor to form into precipitation, as the water vapor needs something to attach to. And the more water vapor there is, the larger the water droplets will be. I can't see how the amount of CCN would become a factor in the whole process unless it was a very LARGE concentration, such as from forest fire smoke, volcanic ash, or very concentrated pollution such as you would see at times in China, as you said. In such cases I would think the water vapor would be somewhat "absorbed" by the high density of CCN, but the raindrop size would still be a factor of the amount of water vapor, more than a factor of the CCN. The only example that I have experience with is rain with forest fire smoke, and the rain was normal, droplet size was normal, but it was very "dirty" rain. If it fell on your car windshield, it would be clouded and brown and you couldn't see through it.
 

Mick West

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The way I understand CCN is that it is required for water vapor to form into precipitation, as the water vapor needs something to attach to. And the more water vapor there is, the larger the water droplets will be. I can't see how the amount of CCN would become a factor in the whole process unless it was a very LARGE concentration, such as from forest fire smoke, volcanic ash, or very concentrated pollution such as you would see at times in China, as you said. In such cases I would think the water vapor would be somewhat "absorbed" by the high density of CCN, but the raindrop size would still be a factor of the amount of water vapor, more than a factor of the CCN. The only example that I have experience with is rain with forest fire smoke, and the rain was normal, droplet size was normal, but it was very "dirty" rain. If it fell on your car windshield, it would be clouded and brown and you couldn't see through it.

The available water in the air gets divided by the available CCN.

(simplification) If you've got a parcel of air that has become saturated, then the water in that air will condense out on any available nucleation site (either a CCN or any water surface, like another droplet) until it is no longer saturated. If there's a lot of CCN then you end up with a lot of small microdroplets. Condensation continues until the air is no longer saturated. If there's a small number of CCN, then this means the end result is a lower number of larger droplets, which are then more likely to precipitate out. If there's a large number of CCN, then the end result can be a larger number of smaller droplets, which can be too small to precipitate out.
 

Dan Page

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Ok, obviously need to do more study on CCN. On another note:
Found this under the "Breaking News Section" of geoengineeringwatch.org. Wash, rinse, and recycle, seems to be Dane's plan for his latest "expose". A claim that was debunked earlier this year, regarding pylon drains on the Airbus A320 and other Airbus aircraft. This latest is "proof/smoking gun" that "they" are spraying us covertly using these "nozzles", and is being tweeted as new information, including an email from Airbus saying that there is NO drain tubes on the "pylons", just on the nacelles. It really irks me that these false claims keep getting put out as new info, over and over again. Even if these nozzles were spraying something, where would the chem juice come from? And it's a pretty small pipe, at what rate would it be able to spray? And they seem to make the leap to "all aircraft could have this retrofit".

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/category/breaking-news/
Source: look-up.org.uk



Here we detail the discoveries we have made about the dispersal systems we believe are being used on Airbus planes. We focus on the Airbus A320 family, which include the A319 / A320 / A321. A380 planes also spray over the UK and we have images on a separate page. A380s use a slightly different system and we have no idea yet if that system is original to the design of the aircraft, but we do now know that the A320 family aircraft belonging to any of the participating airlines have been modified illegally for the purposes of spraying aerosols into our skies during flight.

Our investigations started when we saw a single-pipe system fitted to a Ryan Air Boeing 737. Being based near Heathrow we went armed with long lenses and took about 100 images of planes landing, and sure enough we found the smoking guns as we now refer to them.

Below are just 3 of the many images we have of these modifications.







There is a host of disinformation online that has been produced since we started to publish these images. Rather than waste time trying to counter them, we spoke directly to Airbus. They confirmed in an email to us in August 2014 that Airbus A320 Family aircraft DO NOT leave the factory with any pipes in the pylon.

From: — name removed —

Sent: 26 August 2014 13:07
To:
Subject: A320 Pylon Drains

Dear Mr Simpson – in response to your recent query on pylon drain pipes please see below the following information.

Specification and design of our aircraft comply with certification requirements and safety practices to ensure that any potential draining need, linked or not to failure cases, will be adequately performed. As such, Airbus A320 family aircraft have a fuel drain mast fitted as standard in the lower parts of the nacelle (and none for the pylons). It is an airworthiness requirement that any fuel leak must not pool within the aircraft structure to create a fire risk, must be drained away from the aircraft structure, and must be able to be visibly identified during the preflight safety walk-around checks. The nacelle fuel drain mast only serves to identify the very rare occasion of a failure where a fuel leak has occurred and, in the case of such detected failure, then the aircraft would be repaired before its next flight. The mast has no spraying capability, and is only used to drain aviation fuel, in the very rare case of a fuel leak.

Yours

— name removed —

Airbus Communications

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skephu

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Wash, rinse, and recycle, seems to be Dane's plan for his latest "expose".
Well, if he wants to post an article every day then recycling and repeating stuff over and over is unavoidable. And apparently it works well as a marketing strategy.
And if he wants to post something new he just posts the latest weather map and explains that it shows the engineered weather.
 

Dan Page

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The latest from Dane in an interview with Global Research.org which happens to be from my hometown of Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, to my great shame :(
The interview can be heard here http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/...-dane-wigington-and-guy-mcpherson/#more-28466
What follows is a transcript of the interview, done by myself, it's kind of a lot to read, but it really gives insight to Dane and what he is trying to accomplish. (The impossible IMHO)

Global Research News Hour Episode 125 Dec 13, 2015
Time: 29:20 to 43:00 Interview with Dane Wigington

Host: We join now by Dane Wigington, he has an extensive background in the fields of solar energy and is a licensed contractor. A former employee of Bectel, he is the founder of the information site geoengineeringwatch.org and is convinced that geoengineering is not only the #1 threat facing humanity at the present time, but is actually underway, do Dane Wigington, welcome back to the Global Research News Hour.

Dane: Thank-you Micheal and again in relation to the threat, we have always framed that as the most immediate threat short of nuclear cataclysm, which could of course happen any time as well, but again short of that, mathematically speaking, the amount of cataclysms, contamination, atmospheric destruction we see from climate engineering, certainly fit that statement.

Host: Ok, thanks for that clarification. Now it has been a while since we last spoke to you, I wonder if you could just maybe give a kind of concise uh, uh, review of some of the impacts that you're seeing from the aah, geoengineering efforts that you allege are taking place?

Dane: Well, again, we don't allege that, we have for example, 750 page congressional documents that we have recently found and posted, outlining the full scope and scale of the programs, even decades ago, and giving historical, uh, summary of these programs going back 30 years prior to that even, and we encourage people to review these documents, because it's quite clear on them, these programs have been going on globally for perhaps 70 years, so we have lab tests to back up the materials that are raining down on us around the globe, are matching the climate impacts exactly, and we have film footage of the aircraft actually spraying at altitude, turning on and off nozzles visible. We have up close photographs of those nozzles, out on the pylons, directly behind the engine exhaust stream. People can review those photos , umm, again we have so much documentation, that really proves conclusively these programs are going on, and people have to ask why Micheal, they always ask why. But ultimately, to try to control the weather is about power and control, and when they ask who is doing this, again, all roads lead eventually back to the central bankers who control militarys who control the economies, you know that, so, again, these are programs that have done immense damage to the climate system, I'm not saying it's the only source of damage by any means but the damage is cataclysmic at this point and the only thing the military industrial complex knows how to do, is to double down, the more damage is done, the more they ramp up these programs, so what we're seeing is absolutely catastrophic effects from totally disrupted hydro-logical cycle, shredded ozone layer, we have a contamination of the entire surface of the earth, and there's downstream effects from shredded ozone or UV radiation that's killing plankton, that's contributing to ocean die-off, and the forests burning down around the globe, again disrupted rain cycle, bio-available metals are killing root systems, and we have the same metals, or incendiaries when they coat the foliage, we have more lightning because the atmosphere is more conductive, we have human health issues. We're seeing everything we would expect to see from these programs, this massive contamination of these toxic metals used in the programs, we're seeing everything, including right down to the bees Michael, I'm not sure if you might of seen everybody, most people know the bees are collapsing, and we now have peer reviewed study to say conclusively the bees are packed full of the same metals that are showing in geoengineering patents, that are showing up in our tests, aluminum being the primary one, so, from every direction we see red flags showing up, showing that these programs are cataclysmic.

Host: Yes, I've effectively connected the dots there, umm, I just want to stay with this issue, the motive, the why behind it, and I guess maybe I'm umm, if this is the right projection, I mean, we've gone from chemical weapons to nuclear weapons and then the weather modification, is, is that kind of the next frontier of control, or, or do you see other sorts of motives, uh, uh, on the horizon there?

Dane: Well, I think it's inarguable, that being able to control the climate, is really the ultimate cold war weapon, you can, a country can win a war without anyone necessarily knowing there was a war going on, and we see this again, over and over previous decades, countries that have been, for example, drought-ed into total collapse, starting with subsaharan African countries that didn't allow U.S. occupation, sometimes that begins with quote humanitarian pretext, and we know the drought causing effects of the aerosolisation of the atmosphere, the introduction of tiny particulates which cause too many condensation nuclei, it disperses, distributes precipitation, uh diminishes it, uh disrupts evaporation, we have, we've scientific figures to back this up, for example "global dimming" which is the term that refers to how much of the suns direct energy is no longer reaching the surface of the planet, and as compared to five decades ago, it's now 20-30%, that's massive, takes an unbelievable amount of materials to do that, and yes pollution is a part of that, but climate engineering is a bigger part, and that's the stated goal of geoengineering programs like solar radiation management to fill the atmosphere with particulates that block the sun, so, and using as a weapon, how many counties do we see, that were the targets of U.S. foreign policy, like the recent middle eastern countries, every single one of which was subjected to record drought, prior to destabilization and occupation. Now we have leaders of these countries Michael, on the floor of the UN, stating, and this has been publicized, some of these leaders, starting with Iran, uh, that their countries were the target of NATO weather modification programs, so again, we have so much information that if people will simple examine it, and now we have U.S. population that clearly, whatever decided the motive is, is also being affected horrifically by these programs, and I was in the LT Govs office in California, Gavin Neusom (sp?), with his aids and uh, presented data two years ago stating that this drought would continue and worsen, if these programs continued, it can't not happen, because we have satellite imagery of the spraying off the coast, of the storm track, that's exactly what has happened. We know people in the state know this is going on , we know agencies know it's going on, but everybody's afraid to speak out Michael. So in the meantime, uh, we're all, we're all targeted ultimately by these programs.

Host: I think there is a tendency among the wider public to uh, to question, well somebody would have spoken out about it, but you know, I think a lot of people are aware the Manhattan project was originally top secret, as well at the U2 bomber, are we talking about a kind of Manhattan project for the climate here, something that's been kept top secret, and their may be proceeding with these things and keeping it out of the uh, official messaging to the wider public, is that what we're dealing with here?

Dane: No question, and ih, ih, some huge red flags mattering the two, one we know the Obama administration has prosecuted more whistle-blowers than all other administrations combined, two, we know that the uh, agreements of confidentiality signed by people in the military are enforced with extreme um, mechanisms, and in some cases we have indirect communication with those that worked on some of the aerosol spraying mechanisms that have stated they signed agreements that contain provisions for lethal enforcement. Now, aside from that we can't verify, we do know this, we have a recent gag order on all national weather service and all NOAA employees, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, why in the world would you need to gag the meteorologists, because they all know this is going on too. I've spoken to a NOAA scientist face to face that admitted that to me. So the bottom line is we have a very big elephant in the room, it's decimating the earths life support systems, decimating our health, every single one of us, and those who don't believe this it doesn't really matter because it's not going to change the reality. We're all sucking in what they're spraying, with every breath, it's building up in our systems, showing up everywhere we would expect it too, alzheimers, dimensia stats going through the roof, autism stats going through the roof. We see MIT has now stated on the record, that on the current trajectory, in less than 10 years, every other child will have autism, um, what's it take to wake people up? I don't know.

Host: Now there's something else I wanted to uh, now I saw something on your site where you were at a traditional climate march and it reminded me that it seems as if there's two camps, there's the geoengineering watchdogs like yourself, uh, and, and there's the traditional you know, carbon dioxide is the main driver of climate change, and I see you as part of both camps. Like you don't dismiss carbon as a driver of climate change but uh, at the same time you do, are clearly much an advocate of or, not advocate, but acknowledging of the reality of geoengineering, and I'm finding that you've got, you know, those two camps tend to not overlap very often, and I was wondering if you have an explanation, or what your understanding would be, of why it seems so difficult to sort of cross that divide?

Dane: Well it's unfortunate we have a society that thinks dichotomously, everything is either this, or that, and that's just not reality, uh, our situation is much more complex, it's not just this or that, it's this AND that and a whole lot of other things, so, yes CO2 is certainly a problem and those who say it's not are are certainly not living in for example, the ocean, where the oceans are acidifying so quickly that we have that contributing to massive rain dieoff, we have plants that are not absorbing CO2 the way it was projected, because, uh, too much is also a problem, CO2 is certainly necessary but again, water is necessary for 10 feet under, not so much. We also have on the other side of the coin, we have those in the anti-geoengineering camp that want to pretend that there is no damage to the planet by the human race except for geoengineering, and of course that's just not true either. I hope, from both sides of the fence, people realize the equation is complex, the denial on the environmentalists global warming side is, the denial of climate is hearing, is truly astounding, it's absolutely astounding, we have the single greatest climate disrupting factor of all, climate engineering, completely ignored by the environmentalist camp, uh, it's inexcusable, it's hypocrisy that absolutely boggles the mind Michael, so I hope, and I know a lot of these, I know scientists in that camp as well, so I hope that they find some courage and face the fact that uh, the greatest threat of all, even greater that any of the other forms of human damage to climate right now, the greatest threat of all is climate engineering, we have to face that and I hope people from both sides of that fence, uh, realize the equation is more complex than either one of them would like to make it and I hope we build some bridges instead of burning em.

Host: Which brings us to the COP21 climate conference happening in Paris, uh, your comments suggest that political leaders really know a lot more than they're letting on, uh, I think, so what then is, what is your take on the purpose of these talks, if they're not really, like geoengineering isn't even on the radar screen apparently, so what do you think is going on there?

Dane: It's certainly not on the public radar screen, but it's certainly the main topic of discussion behind the scenes and again I believe we'll find out in the next few days Michael. But this is just one more big dog and pony show just like the Copenhagen conference, just like the Cancun conference, and the real agenda is to climate engineer, to continue that, to force countries to fly, and we see after the previous two climate conferences in Copenhagen and Cancun we had record low temperatures at those conferences, at the time of the conferences in spite of warmer than normal temperatures in the surrounding areas, how did that happen? That's a demonstration of what climate engineering can do, with chemical ice nucleation, uh, the jet stream manipulation, so that was perhaps a demonstration to those countries there, that this is what there quote unquote, curious, even though we know from all available data, this is not only is it not a cure, it's a curse worse than any problems it claims to mitigate, so, I believe what we'll see from Paris is um, nothing definitive or any type of carbon cutting, nobody intends to carbon cut, nobody intends to stop looting, pillaging and plundering the planet, they just want to up the climate engineering more, so as a priority issue, this is not a job I wanted, I'm an activist, not politically oriented, but quite simply, um, when earths life systems are being torn apart intentionally with climate engineering, which really comes down to power and control, if we don't stop that, it's game over, so I hope take a good hard look at their priorities. If we can't walk out the door and breathe without sucking this stuff in, we all have a problem. And ah, again, the sort of distractions that we see, which Paris is one of them, uh, the front and center topic of conversation should be, must be, climate engineering, it's gonna take all of us to get to that point, we all need to work together, any one of could be the pedal that starts the landslide of awareness. We don't sell anything at geoengineeringwatch.org, we're not political, there's links there that you can send out to organizations that'll carry informational data with them, introduction letters, you can help start spot fires of awareness, just by simply passing on credible data to people who'd care if they only knew, we need everyone to help us in that effort.

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I see this type of credit being given to Dane's background " extensive background in the fields of solar energy " in this article, sometimes " Solar energy expert ", " Solar engineer ", " alternative energy expert " etc, and he allows this mischaracterization of his actual experience. Dane owns a large home, 4000+ square feet, and it required a quite large solar system. He hired a solar installation contractor to do the work, and Dane helped this man in parts of the installation. He told me before that he needed to maintain a relationship with this man, despite some issues with him, because he did not know his system well enough to understand problems with it that occurred at times. Besides this, Dane used to be a union electrician, and they got hired onto various projects, and one of them was the Solar One facility ( now no longer in operations, its gone I believe ) near Barstow, California. It was a Bechtel project, so he was just a basic electrician, hired along with the many other types of contractors to work on the building of this facility. He cites that he was a Bechtel employee, so perhaps this company temporarily assigns employee status to contractors who work on their project. This seems odd to me, as I was an electrical contractor for many years working for a home construction company, but this arrangement never made me an employee of their company. Why would they, what benefit? Anyway these titles combined with Dane's work at the Bechtel facility morph into the implication I see in the way he is referenced in his various presentations that Dane somehow is some high up solar engineer who did work with the Bechtel Corporation. I think that Dane purposely allows this type of mischaracterization of is background, seeing it as a means to increase his stature and credibility in the eyes of those he conveys his beliefs too. I know of no other experience that Dane has with anything related to Solar energy. So, do those types of titles apply to one who is just a private citizen with a large solar system, installed by an actual solar contractor, and who worked as an electrician at a solar energy facility?
 

MikeC

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Indeed - well done.

Does anyone have a link to these 750 pages of evidence that Dane claims show "it" has been happening for ages?? I'm feeling too happy today to want to browse any of his sites.....
 

MikeG

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More understanding of how a person could become so convinced as this guy has, and how he could have escaped misleading himself and others can be found by reading this article.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/consp...ippe-huneman/true-cost-of-conspiracy-theories

What a great article. I especially liked this passage:

Of course, once one holds such a stance, she’ll be likely to believe in many theories of this sort, hence the “worldview” character of conspiracist ideation. Recently Quassim Cassam argued that, if one wants to understand why some people believe in the Illuminati plot or the 9-11 conspiracy, one should appeal to the notion of intellectual vices – which negatively corresponds to the intellectual virtues, required to understand how knowledge and truth are actually reached by some rational enquirers, in addition to the enquiry respecting some formal rules.
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I am adding the whole piece to my syllabus.

Thanks Jay
 

Engineer

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What a great article. I especially liked this passage:

Of course, once one holds such a stance, she’ll be likely to believe in many theories of this sort, hence the “worldview” character of conspiracist ideation. Recently Quassim Cassam argued that, if one wants to understand why some people believe in the Illuminati plot or the 9-11 conspiracy, one should appeal to the notion of intellectual vices – which negatively corresponds to the intellectual virtues, required to understand how knowledge and truth are actually reached by some rational enquirers, in addition to the enquiry respecting some formal rules.
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I am adding the whole piece to my syllabus.

Thanks Jay

I hope the sentence structure and punctuation aren't the reasons you liked it. :D

As far as Mr. Wigington's credentials are concerned, it certainly seems a bit disingenuous to represent yourself as both an expert in the field of solar technology and as a former Bechtel employee when in fact it appears he was just a customer of a solar installation company and and a temporary contractor for Bechtel. In my experience contractors are indeed employees of the corporations they are contracted out to. per se, but they are always given a special designation due to the temporary and project based nature of their employment. I can't imagine Bechtel is pleased to have their name associated with the chemtrail CT so often.

His misrepresentation certainly speaks to his integrity and character, but with respect to the effect contrails are having on solar energy gains, this is an area where (some of) Dane's assertions are backed by some actual science. Some studies show reductions as great as 72%.

Abstract. The effect of contrails on global short-wave radiation (sum of direct and downward diffuse solar radiation) and on solar energy gain was investigated. The study was performed during days with high contrail persistence and focused on situations where the contrails were obstructing the sun. Measurements of cloudiness using a fish-eye camera, diffuse and direct short-wave measurements and measurements of the short circuit current of three different types of photovoltaic (PV) modules were performed at the Kanzelhöhe Observatory (1540 m a.s.l.) with a time resolution of 1 min over a period of 1 year. The results show that contrails moving between sun and observer/sensor may reduce the global radiation by up to 72 %. An analysis of contrail persistence and the influence of contrails on global irradiance and solar energy gain is presented. The losses in solar energy gain that were recorded may be critical under specific circumstances.
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http://www.atmos-meas-tech.net/8/1089/2015/amt-8-1089-2015.pdf

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/97EO00281/pdf
 

SR1419

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with respect to the effect contrails are having on solar energy gains


Don't look now...but a scientist from NOAA used the term "accidental geo-engineering" in relation to contrails at the AGU meeting in San Francisco this week. Somehow this will be twisted into "proof" of chemtrails

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35109198


Planes may be making a high-altitude icy haze that is brightening US skies, according to a group of scientists.

They have been looking for a reason why the total amount of solar radiation reaching the surface has been increasing over time.

Their studies suggest that part of the story is that jet exhausts could be generating a layer of ice crystals that promotes a more diffuse type of light.

This is giving clear blue skies more of a whitish tint.

The scientists have been discussing their thinking at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.

Chuck Long, from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa), said that if his thinking was correct then what was occurring was an example of "accidental geoengineering".

"If you look up the definition of geoengineering, it includes large-scale manipulation of parts of the climate system or the environment, and I believe this ice haze from jet traffic does satisfy that requirement," he told reporters.
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Mick West

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His misrepresentation certainly speaks to his integrity and character, but with respect to the effect contrails are having on solar energy gains, this is an area where (some of) Dane's assertions are backed by some actual science. Some studies show reductions as great as 72%.

But he does not claim that, so the fact that it is true is not backing him up at all.

In fact, he claims that modern planes are nearly incapable of creating contrails (when they actually make them more frequently than older engines, as they have cooler exhaust). He also claims that UV-B radiation if 10x what it used to be, which is not consistent with sunlight being blocked.

And since nobody ever said that contrails do not block the sun, it would hardly be relevant even if he were getting things right.
 

Marin B

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He also claims that UV-B radiation if 10x what it used to be, which is not consistent with sunlight being blocked.

I've heard/read that UV-B is increased by cirrus cloud cover, see e.g.
The effect of clouds on enhancing UVB irradiance at the Earth's surface: A one year study


Abstract
The most extensive study of frequency, magnitude and sky properties associated with UVB enhancement is reported. The first integrated automatic sky camera and irradiance measurement system was used for simultaneous data collection over the solar zenith angle range of 4.2 to 64.3°. It is reported that 3% of UVB irradiance measurements collected at intervals of 6 minutes, over a one-year period, were cloud enhanced. It was found that 85% of possible UVB enhancements occurred for solar zenith angles ranging from 40 to 63°. The study was undertaken during September 1997 to August 1998 at Toowoomba, Australia (27.6°S, 151.9°E). The maximum UVB enhancement was found to have an irradiance of 8% greater than that of an equivalent clear-sky. A mechanism for UVB enhancement for cases of solar obstruction by cirrus cloud is postulated. Analysis showed that 86% of enhancement occurred under hazy/cirrus skies.
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Mick West

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Yeah, a possible maximum 8% increase. Dane is saying a thousand times that. Higher than the UV-B in space.
 

Engineer

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But he does not claim that, so the fact that it is true is not backing him up at all.

In fact, he claims that modern planes are nearly incapable of creating contrails (when they actually make them more frequently than older engines, as they have cooler exhaust). He also claims that UV-B radiation if 10x what it used to be, which is not consistent with sunlight being blocked.

And since nobody ever said that contrails do not block the sun, it would hardly be relevant even if he were getting things right.

He has made many claims about the reduced solar capacities. Here is an article written by him in which he discusses it.

http://arizonaskywatch.com/article/articles/Diminished Solar Capacities.pdf

....and a excerpt from his website making the claim.

Dane Wigington began researching meteorology and atmospheric change in the late 90s. He noticed that the persistent trails (or chemtrails) and grid patterns made by aircraft were blocking up to 80% of his home’s solar charging capacity. His research led him to the subjects of stratospheric aerosol geoengineering and solar radiation management.
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http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/dane-wigington-geoengineering-the-end-of-all-life/

Obviously his claims about the high bypass jet engines are completely misinformed and I am amazed he is still using that as a selling point for chemtrails. Thank you by the way for your excellent post on that subject which I thought addressed the factual information very well...pictures included!

I think any relevance the CT's could get out this issue would be that it was part of the broad conspiracy to reduce the effectiveness of this form of alternative energy in order to perpetual a petroleum based energy economy. I'm not sure if they have gone there and I certainly don't want to give them any more fuel for the fire, but certainly it is a likely unintentional negative consequence of the increase in contrail activity in regional areas where solar energy is being implemented.
 

Engineer

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But not about contrails doing it.

Yes of course although his description of them as "the occasional long and very lingering trails left behind aircraft" and "jet trails" can mean nothing else. His misunderstanding of the causes of these trails and further characterization of them as chemtrails was not made in the article I quoted but obviously became the basis for many of his future claims.
 

Mick West

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Yes of course although his description of them as "the occasional long and very lingering trails left behind aircraft" and "jet trails" can mean nothing else. His misunderstanding of the causes of these trails and further characterization of them as chemtrails was not made in the article I quoted but obviously became the basis for many of his future claims.

I think it's unlikely that his observations of declining solar output had anything in particular to do with contrails though, more likely just ordinary problems with his system. He mad the connection because he's just moved from a region that had less flyover traffic.
 
Dane built his current home in the hills of Redding, Ca in 2000, then not too long later he noticed the decline in his solar system output on cloudy days. In his looking through internet info to learn more about this problem, is when he came across info on chemtrails, and we now see where that discovery has taken him. If he had never had a house with solar panels, I think he would, like the rest of his life before this time, have never even thought of chemtrails. Before Dane moved to Redding, I had told him about that area for a many years since I worked near there as a Forestry Firefighter back in the early 80's, and I thought it would be a great place to live someday. Dane then finally in 2000 went up there to check it out, partly because he was experiencing persistent drought repercussions in the Hualapai Mtns where he lived near Kingman, AZ. So if I had not told Dane about Redding all of those years, trying to talk him into it as a place to live, then he may have never lived in a situation off the grid with solar panels ( he never had before ). Never would I have imagined that just trying to get my brother to move to a beautiful forested area that I liked, would have turned into what it has for Dane. Life really throws us all some curve balls at times.
 

Dan Page

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Dane has picked up on a recent news release from the DoD regarding purchasing new C130J aircraft for Youngstown Air Reserve Station. This unit, the only one of its kind in the US, does low level aerial spraying of pesticides in most cases to kill insects like mosquitoes, and other insects that damage crops. They have been and are deployed all over the world since 1947. Of course Dane sees "aerial spraying" and his eyes go wide open. They currently have 8 C130s and are asking for 10 more new ones. These are 4 engine turboprops capable of reaching maybe 30000' if they are not loaded, so they would unlikely create a contrail. And most of, if not all of their missions are done low level, like 1000' or so. So Dane capitalizes on this by saying, "oh yes they say they are only used for XXX purpose, but what are they REALY using them for" Suggesting that 8 C130s would be responsible for the entire "chemtrail/geoengineering" program, or even a part of it is just ridiculous.
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Five Ohio Congressmen Call For New Aircraft To Continue “Specialized Aerial Spray Mission”

December 20, 2015 11 Comments



Dane Wigington
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The blatant and in plain sight experimentation on the US population continues unabated. A recent "press release" letter from 5 US congressmen sends a very clear message, they want a minimum of 10 new C-130J air tankers to continue "specialized spraying missions".




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What were these airborne web like filaments composed of? Astoundingly, mainstream media tried to convince the public that the filaments were just "cattle gauze" (yes, cow bandages). So we are to believe cow bandages suddenly covered the landscape after a C-130 spray tanker passes over and these filaments subsequently blanket civilian areas? Testing done at certified labs proved that the filaments contained massive amounts of aluminum and barium.

The bottom line is this, those in power can (and are) using the C-130s (and countless jet aircraft) to spray whatever they want, wherever they want, and on whomever they want. Those that refuse to accept this fact are simply in denial. The subject letter of this article makes clear that our "elected officials" are doing everything in their power to make sure even more aircraft are put into service to do even more toxic spraying/experimentation. If you have had enough, get active in the critical battle to expose and halt ALL aerial spraying.
DW

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Out of the 11 responses Dane has received so far, only one had a clue:

11 Responses to Five Ohio Congressmen Call For New Aircraft To Continue “Specialized Aerial Spray Mission”

  1. carol freiberg says:
    December 20, 2015 at 8:26 pm
    Simply unbelievable for an "ordinary" bloke to comprehend. Who let these psychopaths out of the asylum without their meds. They can't seem to understand the gravity of their actions. As long as they are being funded, the insanity will never stop.

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  2. thetruthhurts says:
    December 20, 2015 at 7:41 pm
    Below is the link that explains the spraying program…spraying insectides and oil dispersants…
    http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/afrc/publication/afrci11-1074/afrci11-1074.pdf

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  3. [Broken External Image]:http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/2124978935a320afe24a63528b79403f?s=32&d=http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/ad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536?s=32&r=G Marv Foye says:
    December 20, 2015 at 7:40 pm
    Congressman Duncan Hunter (ca50ima-113@mail.house.gov)
    senator@feinstein.senate.gov (senator@feinstein.senate.gov)
    Sent link to both on Sunday evening. They have repeatedly denied
    the existence of this program.

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  4. Sotir Ilievski says:
    December 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm
    Politicians sometimes decide to shame perverts who frequent red light districts by posting their names and pictures in the community where they live. Pedofiles are sometimes identified when they move or are released into a community so that people in those communities can be on guard regarding these criminal perverts. It is time that we start publishing names and photos of individuals who are in any way involved with this diabolical plot to destroy the biosphere. If and when society at some point in time moves to re-establish law, order and true democracy, then these arch criminals of humanity should all be marked to be dealt with for the crimes of ecocide and crimes against humanity and all life on this planet for which they are responsible.

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  5. [Broken External Image]:http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/e652e03d9716f5c75777f3da53412cde?s=32&d=http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/ad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536?s=32&r=G Susan Ferguson says:
    December 20, 2015 at 4:08 pm
    * Dr. Roberts describes the evolution of the “deep state” and how the neocons have a strangle hold on the American political process that is hard to shake. These psychopathic warmongers are not concerned with anything except power, blood-lust and their own sense of “destiny”. The tapestry that Dr. Roberts weaves begins with Nixon, the Vietnam War and winds it’s way through the latest meeting between President Putin and Secretary of State, John Kerry. The picture is clear and details how we have arrived at the brink of nuclear annihilation. The three part series is not to be missed. To get the whole picture you need to listen all the way through. It was intentionally broken into smaller pieces to allow the info to sink in. As I said we are facing a world in change and the pace is quickening.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-20/paul-craig-roberts-warns-everything-disintegrating
    audio here:
    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: Everything is Disintegrating pt 3

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  6. Tom ONeill says:
    December 20, 2015 at 3:52 pm
    Lots of spraying here today and tonight when I looked up the moon was reflecting many many crisscross lines- they seem to go crazy at night. I am glad I believe that Jesus is coming soon per the bible and all will be set right- after a hard time but it will be worth it.

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  7. [Broken External Image]:http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/e32c6d34bd044de5ed349bdb54b92bd4?s=32&d=http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/ad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536?s=32&r=G G. Giannelli says:
    December 20, 2015 at 3:36 pm
    Stop the aerial spraying by US Air Force planes that contain toxic aluminum and barium and other harmful elements! So disturbing. It is harmful to all living things and is destroying our planet. It is unthinkable and irresponsible that legislatures are promoting toxic aerial spraying. This affects everyone including the legislatures, the military performing the spraying, all who inhabit this beautiful planet that is systematically being destroyed. Why? Is it profit based or just irresponsible stupidity. As a tax paying Citizen I feel angry and betrayed by the very people elected to protect us! How did this ever get approved and funded. Who is responsible?

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  8. alan turnbull says:
    December 20, 2015 at 3:35 pm
    Thank you Dane for your continued efforts to awaken people to this horrendous poisoning of humanity. I have just returned from a month in Europe and the spraying was consistently high in Italy, Southern France, Switzerland and Paris. Of course its happening in Australia as well. How in Christ do we stop these maniacs with their genocide!!

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  9. Sissy says:
    December 20, 2015 at 3:30 pm
    This is insane. I have everyone of the Congressmen's phone numbers and will be calling tomorrow. Thank you for keeping us updated.

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    • Sally Rubis says:
      December 20, 2015 at 5:03 pm
      Jesus left us to go and prepare a place for the Saints, so that they could be where he is. But he left us with the spirit of the truth, and we are not to put that light beneath a bushel, or hide it, but we are to allow it to shine before all men, Therefore, let us shine a light on this evil doing and do our best to expose what is actually happening. Yes, Jesus is coming back and we watchmen cannot fall asleep at any time… Blessings and keep the faith.
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Here is the letter from Senator Portman to Lt Gen Jackson:
http://www.portman.senate.gov/publi...eases?ID=2cfc76ac-55b5-4634-afa2-5f443e732d6e


The full letter can be found below.

Dear Lt Gen Jackson:

We urge you to replace the Youngstown Air Reserve Station’s 910th Airlift Wing’s current fleet of C-130H aircraft with a minimum of ten C-130J aircraft to ensure that the 910th’s Department of Defense (DoD)-mandated specialized aerial spray mission continues safely and without interruption. The Fiscal Year 2016 House of Representatives’ Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense Report includes language regarding the Air Force Reserve’s specialized missions, specifically that: “The Committee encourages the Chief of the Air Force Reserve to review the requirements to ensure that specialized units are allocated sufficient training hours to successfully perform both their specialized and tactical missions and are allocated equipment upgrades necessary to address safety concerns associated with these missions. The Committee also supports efforts to build partnerships between units performing specialized missions and other government agencies when practical.”

The current number of eight C-130H aircraft jeopardizes the 910th’s capability to effectively complete overseas tactical airlift missions and domestic aerial spray operations simultaneously. To highlight the dilemma: if, in the immediate future, the 910th were tasked to deploy four aircraft to support an overseas area of responsibility, they would only be able to support a one-ship spray mission in the United States. As we are sure you’re aware, within the last decade, the 910th has deployed a three C-130H aircraft package in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and again in the aftermath of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in 2010 to provide domestic emergency aerial spray capability. Recapitalizing the 910th’s fleet of eight C-130H aircraft with ten C-130J aircraft would enable the wing to conduct both the overseas tactical airlift missions and the homeland aerial spray missions.

The unique aerial spray mission could also be in jeopardy after year 2020 due to several factors. The 910th’s airplanes require more maintenance due to the wear and tear cause by flying the specialized mission at low altitudes. In addition, an Operational Supplement, published 17 July 2015, significantly reduced the interval between Aircraft Structural Integrity Program (ASIP) inspections based on Effective Flying Hour (EFH) calculations. The reduction in EFH interval will lead to an increase of approximately double the inspection time spent per aircraft. The additional hurdle to ensure that the current C-130H fleet is airworthy, is the much needed Communication Navigation Surveillance/Air Traffic Management (CNS/ATM) requirements required by the Federal Aviation Administration and the International Civil Aviation Organization.

As we continue to put more flight hours on the current fleet of aging C-130H aircraft, the inspection interval will continue to shorten, increasing the maintenance time and decreasing mission readiness. The C-130J models have a minimum crew size of three versus the legacy C-130H models’ crew of five, which would mean immediate personnel savings to operate the system, in addition to possible maintenance hours.

For these reasons, we request your consideration for recapitalization of the 910th Airlift Wing’s current fleet of C-130Hs with C-130Js at the soonest possible time, to ensure their continued and safe support of DoD’s only aerial spray mission.

Thank you for your consideration of our request. We look forward to working with you in this endeavor.
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And here is the history of the Youngstown Unit:
http://www.youngstown.afrc.af.mil/A.../865/Article/178927/aerial-spray-mission.aspx


Aerial Spray Mission

Published April 01, 2015





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MISSION

The Department of Defense (DoD) tasks the 910th Airlift Wing at Youngstown Air Reserve Station (YARS), Ohio to maintain the DoD’s only large area fixed-wing aerial spray capability to control disease-carrying insects, pest insects, undesirable vegetation and to disperse oil spills in large bodies of water. Missions may be executed in combat areas, on DoD installations or in response to disasters/emergencies as declared by the President of the United States.

UNIT, AIRCRAFT, AND PERSONNEL

The 757th Airlift Squadron pilots, navigators, flight engineers, spray operators/loadmasters, and entomologists conduct aerial spray missions using six C-130H aircraft equipped with the Modular Aerial Spray System (MASS). These systems are maintained by 910th MX support personnel assigned to the spray mission. YARS houses one of four EPA-approved Training Centers for DoD Pesticide Applicator Certification serving both the continental U.S. and overseas DoD pest management facilities.

COMMAND RELATIONSHIP

Col. James D. Dignan is 910th Airlift Wing commander, U.S. Air Force Reserve Command (AFRC). When activated, the unit is gained by Air Mobility Command (AMC), at Scott Air Force Base, Illinois.

AERIAL SPRAY PROGRAM DIRECTIVES

Aerial Spray Program Directive - DODI 4150.07, May 2008; Aerial Application of Pesticides - AFI 32-1074; Contingency Funding - AFI 65-503

HISTORY


  • 1947, Air Force creates Special Aerial Spray Flight to reduce troop loss due to vector borne diseases
  • April 1, 1973, UC-123K spray aircraft and AF entomologists transferred from active duty’s 4500th Aerial Spray Flight, Langley AFB, VA to AFRES’ 355th Tactical Airlift Squadron, Rickenbacker ANGB, Ohio
  • May 22, 1973, first AFRES aerial spray mission conducted at Langley AFB, VA
  • July 1973, assisted Panama combating Eastern Equine Encephalitis outbreak by controlling Canal Zone migratory salt-marsh and adult freshwater mosquitoes; conducted research with U.S. Army at Fort Drum, NY, testing efficacy aerial spray on black fly control
  • 1975, over 160,000 acres of Guam refugee camp treated to preempt Dengue fever outbreak
  • 1977 and 1978, conducted five missions controlling an internationally quarantined Japanese beetle infestation at Lajes Air Force Base, Azores
  • 1981, aerial spray missions for gypsy moth control at West Point, NY, Fort Dix, NJ; McGuire AFB, NJ
  • 1983, pioneered aerial spray control of biting midges at Parris Island Marine Corps Recruit Depot, SC; also established vegetation control program at the Utah Test and Training Range saving U.S. Government $1.5 million annually; also treated 217 communities and 525,024 acres responding to a public health emergency for Western Equine Encephalitis in Minnesota
  • 1985, assisted Department of Agriculture in emergency control efforts over more than 700,000 acres of Idaho for a major grasshopper infestation
  • 1986, C-130A’s replace UC-123K’s after joint testing with the Department of Agriculture verified C-130 aerial spray effectiveness
  • 1988, C-130E’s replaced C-130A’s, the Modular Aerial Spray System (MASS) was developed for C-130 operations; MASS is capable of ultra low to ultra high volume sprays
  • 1989, FEMA supported treating over 855,000 acres in South Carolina after Hurricane Hugo
  • January 1992, AFRC aerial spray mission transferred from Rickenbacker ANGB to Youngstown ARS, Ohio; C-130H’s aircraft replaced C-130E’s; first ever dedicated spray maintenance flight established
  • 1992, supported FEMA by providing mosquito management in the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew, sprayed over 288,000 acres in Florida
  • 1995, Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) between US Coast Guard and USAFR to apply dispersant during catastrophic oil spills established
  • 1996, unit added Geographical Information System (GIS) technology and Differential Global Positioning System receivers to spray aircraft
  • October 1999, supported FEMA by providing mosquito infestation in the aftermath of Hurricane Floyd, sprayed approximately 1.7 million acres over VA and NC
  • 2000, partnered with fire prevention program at Saylor Creek Range, Mountain Home AFB, Idaho, controlling cheatgrass with aerial applications allowing native prairie grasses to reestablish as the dominate species and reduce the potential for range fires
  • 2001, new groundbreaking mission at Grand Forks Air Force Base, ND interrupting larval development and treating for flying adult mosquitoes at the same time
  • 2005, new mosquito control mission at Minot Air Force Base, ND established
  • 2005, supported FEMA by treating 2,880,662 acres over Louisiana and Texas to control for mosquitoes and filth flies in the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. The mission is the largest aerial spray mission ever conducted under AFRC.
  • 2006, multi-agency full scale oil spill exercises conducted off the coast of San Francisco, CA
  • 2008, multi-agency full scale oil spill exercises conducted off the coast of Brownsville, TX
  • 2007, added Naval Submarine Base, Kings Bay, GA treating areas in prohibited airspace
  • 2008, after several years in the works and with the aid of Congressman Tim Ryan, $3 million was provided to enhance the aerial spray mission with the newer Wingman GX aerial spray targeting GPS using the latest computer technology and pesticide drift modeling available; additionally, the MASS was upgraded with new quantity indicating systems, replacing the 22-year-old units
  • Sept-Oct 2008, the Wingman system was tested during post-hurricane Gustav mosquito sprays where more than 771,000 acres were treated in Louisiana
  • 2009, Homestead Air Reserve Base, FL is the first ever all Reserve air installation spray mission treating Homestead ARB and surrounding Miami-Dade County
  • May 2009, the spray flight performed the industry’s largest effective larvicide aerial spray application over Army Corps of Engineers land near Williston, ND.; reductions in larval mosquito populations by over 95 percent in sampled areas were demonstrated
  • May-June 2010, the 757th Airlift Squadron was tasked to conduct aerial spray for Operation Deep Water Horizon; the purpose of this mission was to use oil dispersing agents to aid in neutralizing the oil spill caused by the April 2010 sinking of the Deepwater Horizon drilling platform in the Gulf of Mexico; this mission marked the first real world application of oil spill dispersants by the 910th Airlift Wing; fling 93 sorties, covering more than 30,000 acres over water
  • May 2011, multi-agency full scale oil spill exercises conducted off the coast of San Diego, CA
  • Feb 2012, 910th Airlift Wing hosts an industry day at YARS to bring in industry experts to provide inputs for development of replacement for unit’s current Modular Aerial Spray System (MASS)
  • Jan 2013, a team from the 910th aerial spray mission facilitates the DoD Aerial Spray Course, a certification requirement for pest control professionals, at the new state-of-the-art Lee County Mosquito Control District Training Center in Lehigh Acres, Florida.

THE FUTURE

The 910th Aerial Spray Mission team continues to coordinate development of a new MASS system; the development of nighttime aerial spray capabilities utilizing Night Vision Goggles; the development of new missions and the continued adaption of the aerial spray mission to combat developing health threats and more.

(Current as of July 2013)
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Efftup

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Well there you go, If you read the VERY FIRST LINE of the letter, you can see that they don't want 10 ADDITIONAL aircraft, they want to REPLACE the current 8 C130Hs with at least 10 C130 Js.
 

skephu

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The water level in Lake Shasta is now at 106% historical average, and still shooting up:
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In his latest radio show, Dane Wigington admitted Lake Shasta (which he can see from his house) has now normalized, but he is still not satisfied as a number of other reservoirs in California are still below average. He also claims the "aerosolized" atmosphere reduces the amount of orographic rainfall.

But I wonder, after he has claimed for years that the California drought was deliberately caused by geoengineering, how come those geoengineers have allowed Lake Shasta to refill again, and why did they allow the drought to ease up anyway?
 

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In his latest radio show, Dane Wigington admitted Lake Shasta (which he can see from his house) has now normalized, but he is still not satisfied as a number of other reservoirs in California are still below average.

He's correct in that, but there are reasons.
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/getResGraphsMain.action
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Look at the lowest one there, New Melones from spring 2011 to spring 2016
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/resDetailOrig.action?resid=NML

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Look first at the sold cyan (light blue) area - that's the historical average. Notice how it's fairly flat compared to Shasta. This is because it's got a smaller net inflow relative to its size. Every year it has ended up with lots less water than it started with. But with the limited inflow it's practically impossible for it to get above the historical average in one year. The last time that happened was in 1983, when the nearly empty dam filled up in the middle of historic flooding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Melones_Dam
Dubois's actions won a temporary reprieve for the river above Parrott's Ferry Bridge, as the California State Water Resources Control Board set the limit for lake level at 844 ft (257 m) above sea level, corresponding to a storage capacity of 438,000 acre·ft (540,000 dam3).[7] However, in 1982 a record snowmelt combined with heavy rains caused the Stanislaus River to flow into the reservoir at a rate much higher than it could be released from the dam. The water level passed the state limit on January 15 and by early 1983, the water had risen so high that it crested the dam's emergency spillway.
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So what we have here is simply a very good rainy season, where levels are going up twice as fast as they normally do. Enough to fill many reservoirs, but not the slow filling ones.
 

SR1419

Senior Member.
But I wonder, after he has claimed for years that the California drought was deliberately caused by geoengineering, how come those geoengineers have allowed Lake Shasta to refill again, and why did they allow the drought to ease up anyway?


Yes, this is a problem. So much of the meme lately has been "geo-engineered" drought via Chemtrails and then zapping storms with HAARP etc...and yet his home town of Redding- despite the "spraying" has received almost 120% of its average rainfall for the date. It nullifies the correlation that his premise is based on cant just be hand waved away (although he likely will try). Never mind that the entire country is seemingly "sprayed" equally and drought level as whole in the US is lower than it has been in years.

http://ggweather.com/seasonal_rain.htm

This drought map is before last weeks rains which brought multiple inches of rain to most of the northern 2/3rds of the state- most of SoCal is still well below normal:

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Home.aspx
 

Mick West

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A key fact here is that rainfall in California is highly variable. There are years of drought, there are years of plenty.
 

JRBids

Senior Member.
They'll probably say after the ground dried out they sent all the rain to create mudslides and wash away topsoil and saturate the ground with aluminum so you can't grow anything there etc etc.
 

Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
That's the thing about conspiracy theories. They can and will always be modified to fit existing data because they believe in the existence of the conspiracy above all else. The details are quite secondary.
 
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Is it true that California goes through cycles of rainy years and dry years. It's an El Nino winter, more precipitation is anticipated during these years. The pattern shifts between La Nina and El Nino years. Do people forget about these cycles since there can several years of La Nina?
 

SR1419

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Is it true that California goes through cycles of rainy years and dry years. It's an El Nino winter, more precipitation is anticipated during these years. The pattern shifts between La Nina and El Nino years. Do people forget about these cycles since there can several years of La Nina?

Its not quite that simple- as there have been dry El Nino years and wet La Nina years. This year the phenomenon of El Nino (warm sea surface temps) was one of the largest on record- comparable to 82/83 and 97/98- so, from that huge sample of 2, people, the media etc.. extrapolated that into an expectation of huge precipitation - especially for SoCal as it happened before. That it hasnt played out that way- the ONLY possible reason must be they are zapping storms with HAARP and abetted by chemtrails...or so the story goes.
 
Its not quite that simple- as there have been dry El Nino years and wet La Nina years. This year the phenomenon of El Nino (warm sea surface temps) was one of the largest on record- comparable to 82/83 and 97/98- so, from that huge sample of 2, people, the media etc.. extrapolated that into an expectation of huge precipitation - especially for SoCal as it happened before. That it hasnt played out that way- the ONLY possible reason must be they are zapping storms with HAARP and abetted by chemtrails...or so the story goes.

Ok...if I understand what you are saying... since the recent storm only released a large amount of rain in certain areas of California, didn't dump in SoCal, and hasn't matched the El Nino years of 82/83 and 97/98 is reason to suspect the use of HAARP and/or chemtrails?


So Dane doesn't consider that there is variation within weather patterns?...that while one reservoir may fill quickly another reservoir may not due to several reasons other than directed weather manipulation?...that forecasting weather has it's limitations and that the greater the distance into the future the accuracy decreases?
 
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skephu

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Dane Wigington has posted an article today on Geoengineeringwatch.org, but apparently removed it pretty fast. Google's cache still has it:
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Essentially he posted this youtube video:
FOX NEWS: Obama signs Executive Order for possible MARTIAL LAW in AUGUST 2016 (pls share)
, which was posted yesterday, and Dane apparently believed it is actual news.

Dane has probably realized his mistake. The video contains a report by Fox News from March 2012, more than 4 years ago. It is about Executive Order 13603, signed by Obama in March 2012, which was misinterpreted by some commentators claiming that it allows the government to confiscate private property and to declare martial law. In fact, it does not allow anything like that. Even Snopes.com debunked the misinterpretations, but the report still gets reposted regulary on youtube and various conspiracy web sites.

But it's good that Dane has recognized his mistake this time. Maybe he will realize that fact checking is better done before posting articles, not thereafter.
 

skephu

Senior Member.
Dane Wigington has posted an episode of the Go Green radio where he and George Barnes talks to Greenpeace scientist David Santillo about geoengineering.
It's not very interesting because they almost completely avoided any argument.
However, I searched for this episode on the radio's web site and found that it is from January 2014, more than 2 years ago. Dane posted it like it was something new or recent.
 
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