Crisis Actors.

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Cairenn

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Why do you think he is someone else? The curly hair? When my hair gets wet from anything, it turns into ringlets. When it dries, they go away (I wish they didn't) The explosion could have easily gotten his hair damp, water bottles, cups of coffee were all in the blast area.

Charring would only happen in the radius of the blast itself. Not everywhere else. The damage is done by the shrapnel from it, not from the heat of the blast.
 

Soulfly

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What makes you think the guy in the wheel chair is Jeff Bauman?

I really haven't seen any thing that tells me it is not an unfortunate victim named Jeff Bauman. Do you have anything that proves it is not besides curly hair? What makes you think there was a drill that day?
 

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JRBids

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Someone posted this link:

http://quinazagga.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/more-hoaxes-and-fake-news-and-hoax-creation/


From the link:
"This image was taken by a third party photographer seconds after the first explosion. There is clear evidence of false flag staging here. The man in the red coat and baseball hat on the right is kneeling down giving directions to the guy in the white T-shirt. Also looking to this pair for direction are the woman sitting to the right and the man in a hood and sunglasses who set up the double amputee prosthetics."

You know what I keep thinking here? Anyone remember the old Odd Couple TV show?


Felix is afraid of flying, so he tries to conquer his fear by flying in a jet plane. He looks out the window at two mechanics and is very alarmed, because he says he can read the mechanics' lips. He says one mechanic is telling the other "I much fear there is trouble in the fuselage, Frederick". That's what you CTers are doing.

 

Mick West

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I don't know what happened. Not all information was released because there is a pending trial. And some information may be classified.

There was a drill. They announced it.

There were also explosions. Which ones were real? Who knows.
The ones that blew people's legs off. The two real explosions. What other explosions were there?

You will look back on this in a few years and wince.
 

MikeC

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And the actor is acting not having any legs....in a hospital??

Is it just me or does this sink to a new level of stupid??!!:rolleyes:
 

Pete Tar

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What about the bus driver (male/female/who knows), and the six kids who escaped and wound up outside Gene Rosen's house, do you think s/he may have attended a FEMA training? Surely Gene Rosen had attended as a FEMA operative and ex psychiatrist? What do you think?
'Surely'? Why do you think this, where did you get this from?
It's bullshit perpetrated by unhinged maniacs.
Even this unhinged maniac thinks it's deliberate disinfo put about to discredit all the brilliant detective work the 'real' internet geniuses are doing.

http://usahitman.com/erdnwff/


Also.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp


BTW... I am not saying they did fake it... only that it is possible and should be considered.

Why Oxy? What makes this tripe worthy of 'consideration' in your opinion? Why must we consider it?
 
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Tazmanian

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Not everyone's hair gets curly when it is damp. I guess guys don't know that.

What made his hair damp? There are lots of photos of Jeff, any of him with very curly hair? That looks almost red? Is there any evidence that he is the one in the wheel chair? Come on, debunk this. Please.
 

JRBids

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What made his hair damp? There are lots of photos of Jeff, any of him with very curly hair? That looks almost red? Is there any evidence that he is the one in the wheel chair? Come on, debunk this. Please.


Sweat. Heat and humidity. That's some of the things that make hair curl. If I blow my hair straight and go out on a hot day, it curls. My hair looks blonder when it's straight. What evidence do you have it isn't him in the wheelchair?
 

Landru

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I'm not sure why it matters whether FEMA is a first responder or not, but for clarification:

Community Emergency Response Team or CERT step in to provide aide to people who find themselves in any type of disaster.

The CERT program is part of FEMA.

http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-...unity-safe-during-emergency-situations-070713


One of the primary ways the federal government supports first responders is through Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) grant programs, which fund a range of emergency preparedness and response activities

http://price.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2502&Itemid=100251

The CERT program is part of FEMA and is designed to train members of the community (the C in the CERT) in disaster preparedness. Again FEMA is not a first responder agency and does not hire crisis actors. The CERT program sounds like a good one though.

http://www.fema.gov/community-emergency-response-teams/frequently-asked-questions

 

Pete Tar

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Well then it shouldn't be difficult to disprove it. What makes you think it's crap?
My personal feelings and my ability to mostly judge things rationally.
Also the fact that it was brought up and analysed here three months ago...
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-boston-bombing-just-a-drill-ali-stevenson.1399/
And this...
you don't know shit about bomb dogs
 
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Tazmanian

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Sweat. Heat and humidity. That's some of the things that make hair curl. If I blow my hair straight and go out on a hot day, it curls. My hair looks blonder when it's straight. What evidence do you have it isn't him in the wheelchair?

It may be him for all I know. Would anyone like to address the arteries? If they retracted, why are they dangling? And why do they need to be held?
 

Landru

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http://nevadagovernor2014.com/fema-...s-nevada-governor-2014-david-lory-vanderbeek/

https://hseep.dhs.gov/hseep_Vols/default1.aspx?url=rightTreeDisplay.aspx?
From the Word Doc


As for Moulage Kits see:

http://www.med-worldwide.com/moulage-kits-casualty-simulation-c5471


BTW... I am not saying they did fake it... only that it is possible and should be considered.

I misspoke when I said FEMA doesn't train at that level. The agency trains state and local responders at that level but the FEMA employees do not. The HSEEP list you provided is done as a package of forms and programs for use by state and local agencies conducting training. I can find no evidence FEMA hires crisis actors. This is probably due to FEMA not being a first responder agency and they would not need to train at that level.
 
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Landru

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I thought we were discussing FEMA training for FEMA personnel here... not 'A course for communities'.

If it were a 'course for communities', it would have to encompass the entire population and every community as no one knows where disaster may strike. Not much point in 'educating' the Sandy Hook community if the 'disaster happens 50 miles away, is it?

And if it is of no 'value', why bother in the first place. You cannot have it both ways.

What about the bus driver (male/female/who knows), and the six kids who escaped and wound up outside Gene Rosen's house, do you think s/he may have attended a FEMA training? Surely Gene Rosen had attended as a FEMA operative and ex psychiatrist? What do you think?

What evidence do you have that Gene Rosen is a FEMA operative? I've seen pictures of Gene Rosen next to a picture of a FEMA employee that is an old guy with a white beard like Gene Rosen but doesn't look like Gene Rosen.
 

Landru

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You say that is not 'first responder training'... what is it then?

What does the above statement mean, 'in practical terms' to you?

No idea what this means: 'the unique needs of children prior to, during and following disasters'.?

Why not take the course and find out for yourself. It is offered as an independent study course.

http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/courseOverview.aspx?code=is-366

 

MikeC

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It matters because the medical person (in the link) explained why he didn't bleed out. His arteries retracted. If that's the case, why are they dangling?

http://i.imgur.com/2GehuDE.jpg

Either they retracted or they didn't, which one is it?

find out what "retract" means in a medical context, and then come back and tell us why they can still be seen after they "retract".

Here's something to get you started: http://manual-of-surgery.com/conten...emorrhage-and-the-Repair-of-BloodVessels.html
 

Landru

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I have no idea.

These two guys look very much alike. Are they the same guy?


They don't look alike, they are wearing different clothes, have different hair, have different facial hair and the guy on the bottom seems to have at least one leg.

 
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Oxymoron

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'Surely'? Why do you think this, where did you get this from?
It's bullshit perpetrated by unhinged maniacs.
Even this unhinged maniac thinks it's deliberate disinfo put about to discredit all the brilliant detective work the 'real' internet geniuses are doing.

http://usahitman.com/erdnwff/

Why Oxy? What makes this tripe worthy of 'consideration' in your opinion? Why must we consider it?

Good find, thanks. it does look like him from a distance though.

It does make me laugh... here you are trying to show, (very well I may add), that this is not Gene Rosen and at the same time trying to maintain that Jeff Bauman, is actually Jeff Bauman. Gotta admit the irony here.

Anyway, I consider this type of thing because it is possible and should be investigated. The PTB have shown themselves to be untrustworthy in the extreme.

Going back to 'What about the bus driver (male/female/who knows), and the six kids who escaped and wound up outside Gene Rosen's house, do you think s/he may have attended a FEMA training? Surely Gene Rosen had attended as a FEMA operative and ex psychiatrist? What do you think?'

I find it strange that i) Rosen doesn't know whether the driver was male or female, ii) The driver would take the kids up the road and have them sit on Rosen's lawn, out in the open when the fire station is a only a 100 yards or so away. iii) That Rosen should take them indoors for half an hour or so rather than to the fire station. iv) That Rosen would get the toys out and want to read to them and has to tell his story in exactly the same way every time (there are discrepancies in his story though such as he was 'feeding the cats' 'going to breakfast at the diner etc) but at no time does he ever talk about phoning 911.

There is something weird about the guy... loads of people see it... it is not natural. He lives right next door to the firestation... does he not see the flashing lights and hear the sirens and the helicopters and to give around 60 interviews...well.

 
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Trigger Hippie

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To recap, there were 3 explosions and an additional "controlled explosion."


Well no. According to your own link:


There were two explosions at 3:15

Then one controlled explosion at 3:55

then another controlled explosion at 4:55


So I ask again. What do you mean by "real" explosions?
 

Tazmanian

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The Boston police used controlled detonation to destroy a suspicious backpack at the library located across from the first bomb.

Great, can you post a link please? What did the suspicious backpack look like after the explosion?

So there were 3 exploded back packs and we've only seen one of them. I'd like to see the other two.
 

Soulfly

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Great, can you post a link please? What did the suspicious backpack look like after the explosion?

So there were 3 exploded back packs and we've only seen one of them. I'd like to see the other two.

I edited my post with the link. The backpack that was controlled detonated did not have explosives in it. They used explosives to destroy the backpack in case it was a bomb.
 

Tazmanian

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There were two explosions at 3:15

Then one controlled explosion at 3:55

then another controlled explosion at 4:55


So I ask again. What do you mean by "real" explosions?

Yes, thank you. I assume the explosions that injured people were the first two? "Real" explosions that caused injuries.

The FBI released a photo of an exploded back pack. One. Which explosion do they attribute to this back pack?
 

Landru

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How is their hair different?

Amazing. I post a better picture showing the guy on the bottom has at least one leg and you focus on the hair. The top picture the guy has more hair the bottom guy seems to have less. What about the clothes, different facial hair, don't look alike and one guy has got at least one leg?
 

Tazmanian

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Amazing. I post a better picture showing the guy on the bottom has at least one leg and you focus on the hair. The top picture the guy has more hair the bottom guy seems to have less. What about the clothes, different facial hair, don't look alike and one guy has got at least one leg?

Unless you have a date and time for these photos, it's not clear where and when they were taken. How do you know that one or both of them is not a drill or a planned exercise?

It could be one crisis actor in both photos, with and without a leg.
 
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