U of Michigan is now showing boosters as well. Note that older population segments have better booster coverage, but also higher risk of severe disease, so this graph does not indicate booster efficiency.That's correct.
This roughly reflects vaccine efficacy because Michigan's vaccination rate is 63% (first vaccinations), which puts vaccinated:unvaccinated at around 3:2; to compare them, all "vaccinated" numbers should be multiplied by 2/3.
As more people in Michigan get vaccinated, their proportion in hospitals will grow correspondingly, so watch out against people misinterpreting that.
This doesn't look good for boosters, frankly. The under-65 fraction of boosted patients is about a quarter of the 17 in the hospital, and a quarter of the 4 in the ICU, and half of the two on ventilators.U of Michigan is now showing boosters as well. Note that older population segments have better booster coverage, but also higher risk of severe disease, so this graph does not indicate booster efficiency.
I think you're overinterpreting the numbers, given what little we know.This doesn't look good for boosters, frankly. The under-65 fraction of boosted patients is about a quarter of the 17 in the hospital, and a quarter of the 4 in the ICU, and half of the two on ventilators.
The boosted fraction of vaccinated patients is a third of the 51 in the hospital, and a third of the 6 on ventilators.
This might all be explained by other factors, but still, I wouldn't expect to see boosted patients under 65 on ventilators.
January 19, 2022, Summary
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
• 5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
• 8 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 4 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 7 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
the white triangle does not necessarily indicate they are over 65. and delta is likely still in Michigan hospitals.The under-65 fraction of boosted patients is about a quarter of the 17 in the hospital,
there are alot less boosted people in hospital than non boosted.This doesn't look good for boosters, frankly
there are alot less boosted people in hospital than non boosted.
I looked for them, but they're hard to find. I found some official stats about institutions in Michigan that have over 60% of their residents boosted, but under 30% of their staff, which made me think that vulnerable populations were more likely to be boosted; hence my comment on my post with that graph.What matters is what proportion of boosted people vs. proportion of non-boosted people are in hospital, which requires knowing the total number of boostees and non-boostees. I couldn't see that stat, even from the webpage @Mendel linked to. I have no idea about MI, but here our boost ratio (out of vaxed which is 62% of whole) is about 43%, which means that you'd expect somewhat fewer boosted hospitalisations here, as there are fewer boostees to hospitalise.
Fine, over 65, immunocompromised, or with significant underlying lung disease, even better. Same point.the white triangle does not necessarily indicate they are over 65.
That's what I said, it's a third of the vaccinated patients, which is still more than I expected after hearing doctors say things like this:there are alot less boosted people in hospital than non boosted.
About 40% of vaccinated Michigan residents received a booster.Delgado said that he "hardly saw anyone who had gotten a booster because if they caught COVID-19 they're likely at home doing fine or having regular cold/flu-like symptoms."
Studies have now reported on vaccine effectiveness against infection in healthcare workers, care home residents and the general population with the Alpha and Delta variants (12, 13, 14, 15). Generally estimates are similar to or slightly lower than vaccine effectiveness estimates against symptomatic disease and there is evidence of significant waning in protection against infection over time. Estimates for vaccine effectiveness against infection with the Omicron variant are not yet available.
Effectiveness against transmission
As described above, several studies have provided evidence that vaccines are effective at preventing infection. Uninfected individuals cannot transmit; therefore, the vaccines are also provide some protection against transmission. There may be additional benefit, beyond that due to prevention of infection, if some of those individuals who become infected despite vaccination are also at a reduced risk of transmitting (for example, because of reduced duration or level of viral shedding). Several studies have provided evidence of reduced risk of household transmission from vaccinated cases compared to unvaccinated cases (16, 17, 18, 19).
This report provides first the early data on COVID-19 vaccination in pregnant women and provides preliminary findings.
unless the surrounding county hospitals transfer their more difficult cases to the University hospitalThe booster may keep some people out of the hospital, but once they're hospitalized, it doesn't seem to prevent ICU or ventilator use in that one chart.
oh. i see how you are looking at it., which means that you'd expect somewhat fewer boosted hospitalisations here, as there are fewer boostees to hospitalise.
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98178_103214-547150--,00.htmlI found some official stats about institutions in Michigan
yea the bulk of media is definitely quoting doctors that are exaggerating. i see that in my state all the time.after hearing doctors say things like this:
If I'm less likely to be infected, I'm also less likely to infect others, since the former is a prerequisite
for the latter. I believe that the severity of the infection (and my behaviour) determines how many other people I endanger.
Explicit support for these two statements of mine is in post #1131.and if "protection against symptomatic disease" is a proxy for transmissibility, then the difference is more than 2-fold
Wouldn't the more difficult cases be unvaccinated? Based on all the other stuff I've read, I expected fewer boosted patients under 65 in the ICU and on ventilators, what can I say. How many did you expect? Does the chart make boosters look good to you?unless the surrounding county hospitals transfer their more difficult cases to the University hospital
which would confound your ratios
please do not draw conclusions that your information about the data set will not support
Wouldn't these be deemed hopeless?Wouldn't the more difficult cases be unvaccinated?
I refuse to draw conclusions about boosters from this chart, because it isDoes the chart make boosters look good to you?
But at this point, with this graph, it's one (1) person right? One guy under 65 without the identified underlying issues. If, as Mendel suggested in #1129, obesity is not listed as an underlying issue, than this one guy could be fully vaxed and boosted and over 400lbs. (28.5 stone). Or it 's just a clerical error, and this guy is really 85. Or, it's one guy that just is genetically unlucky and very susceptible COVID.I'd expect boosted patients on ventilators to be extremely immunocompromised or old, but half of them aren't, and for that matter, half of vaccinated patients on ventilators aren't, versus only one third of unvaccinated patients on ventilators.
Yes. The accompanying text clearly states, "Total patients hospitalized: 123".Maybe I'm missing it, but isn't this the same person:
Which non-symptomatic person would you rather sit next to, someone not boosted but wearing a surgical mask, or boosted but without a mask, or -bonus choice- not boosted or masked but with a negative rapid antigen test?properly fitted [surgical or n95] masks are more important than boosters for that. Everyone needs to assume they might be contagious at any time.
boosted plus mask, negative test is a bonusWhich non-symptomatic person would you rather sit next to, someone not boosted but wearing a surgical mask, or boosted but without a mask, or -bonus choice- not boosted or masked but with a negative rapid antigen test?
OK, you have more confidence in surgical masks than I do, especially the way some people wear them, pulling them down to talk or even to cough.
But you have little control over that, and the above screenshot shows that medical masks don't form a tight seal even when worn properly, which is why the CDC advised double-masking or using a brace. What's the point of having a nice meltblown electrostatic filter if there are gaps big enough to drive a truck through?i was specific in my original comment that they need to be worn and fitted properly.
he isnt wearing it properly.medical masks don't form a tight seal even when worn properly,
He isn't? You can see how he puts it on in the video and says, "These have all been kind of fitted to my face already just to make sure I was ready with the best seal possible."he isnt wearing it properly.
I noticed this too. People think children don't have the discipline to wear facemasks properly, but in my experience they do it better than adults.*i do though want to give a thumbs up to the kids in Connecticut. all ages, i dont know if they are being taught in school but even the vast majority (90-95%) of high schoolers i see walking around with masks have them fitted as properly as possible.
Adults here for the most part (75-80% wear them right IF they wear them at all), but i'm impressed with the kids.
its hanging like half an inch below his chin and his sides are a big hole."These have all been kind of fitted to my face already just to make sure I was ready with the best seal possible."
this lady has a good cureI have the same problem with medical masks, like fogging up my shades.
You can do hacks to improve the fit, but then you're the one deviating from the "proper" way the mask was designed to be worn. The CDC recommends the knot-and-tuck method as well, but when the mask gets untucked, it still has holes on the sides. Why couldn't the mask be designed properly in the first place?its hanging like half an inch below his chin and his sides are a big hole.
i tie my elastics to shorter loops and fold then staple my mask under my chin. this also makes the sides lie flat.
my mom staples her sides so they are flat, but she has that underchin fat, so her mask is more snug under there.
this lady has a good cure
U.S. to distribute 400 million free N95 masks at CVS, Walgreens in COVID fight
The U.S. government will make 400 million non-surgical "N95" masks from its strategic national stockpile available for free to the public starting next week, a White House official said, as the Biden administration tries to curb the COVID-19 pandemic.
The move comes after President Joe Biden and his team faced criticism for not doing enough to foster masking or bolster testing as the Omicron variant rages across the country, and hospitalizations hit a new record.
The administration also made free rapid home tests available via a website that launched officially on Wednesday.
you didnt make it clear this second time you proffered it either.Nope, you can't use Estonian data to help you interpret Michegan data. I thought I had made that clear when I first proffered it.
so repost it. you didn't say why you were posting it. looks the same as everything else you post, and everything we already knew.I'm just disappointed because I did the work to read and excerpt data from the UK that came out today, and then that gets absolutely buried in squabbles
You could always ask a question instead.and i personally didnt feel like digging into a large report to try and figure out how you got "about a quarter of the UK population has been infected with Covid" from a graph of blood donors.
The red curve indicates donors that had a Covid infection in the past, and most recently that value has gone up to ~25% = a quarter. If the infection risk for blood donors in England is similar to the infection risk in the overall UK population, then about a quarter of the UK population has been exposed to Covid in the past.Excerpts:
The last graph shows that about a quarter of the UK population has been infected with Covid. Thus varies by age and region; for young Londoners, it's more than a third.