climateview.com, Is this new?

scombrid

scombrid

Senior Member.
http://rezn8d.com/

http://climateviewer.com/

Full of bunk, integrating chemtrails, HAARP weather modification, etc...

Basically overlays information on Google Earth. Example, uses flightwise.com to overlay flights on the map and calls it the "chemtrail tracker".

Mixes a lot of real information with bunk. Example: you click on the "toxic run-off" tab and little symbols of the toxic run off locations show on the map. But you click on them and it may be a pollution related issue such as hypoxia in the lower Chesapeake Bay.

I don't have time to go through it all. Just wanted to know if this is new and if anybody has dealt with this "Jim Lee" guy before.

Oh, found out about this site from a youtube video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l3HEuGxdfA&feature=plcp
 
I can assure you the toxic run-off label was simply to shorten it to "simple man's terms"
I'll use the full description... lest people post on forums hating on my website.

I stand by the chemtrail tracker label. See my article for reasons: http://rezn8d.net/2012/03/07/chemtrails-climate-change/

See a plane that appears to be doing more than contrailing? Go inside and check the flight, if it's not on the maps provided in the external section, it is a military plane. The Air Force ARE and HAVE been modifying the weather for years, and to imply that it is absurd that aerial spraying of chemicals is not going on is a testament to your ignorance of the long history of biological testing on the United States public.

Regardless, every trail on the chemtrail tracker is a chemtrail, a trail of chemicals that causes acid rain, global dimming (22% less sunlight hits the surface of our planet since 1960) and the leading cause of global warming.

Hope you enjoy my project, and next time, email me before heading off to some forum. Love you, mean it.
 
Hi Jim. I think the biggest problem with your theory is that global dimming has reversed over the last decade, and even if it were on the rise it would seem more likely to produce global cooling than global warming.
 
Mick said:
Hi Jim. I think the biggest problem with your theory is that global dimming has reversed over the last decade, and even if it were on the rise it would seem more likely to produce global cooling than global warming.
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Thanks Mick . . . suggests other factors could be involved including possibly preemptive geoengineering along with those overlooked, until recently, tropical volcanoes . . .
 
rezn8d said:
See a plane that appears to be doing more than contrailing? Go inside and check the flight, if it's not on the maps provided in the external section, it is a military plane. The Air Force ARE and HAVE been modifying the weather for years, and to imply that it is absurd that aerial spraying of chemicals is not going on is a testament to your ignorance of the long history of biological testing on the United States public.

Regardless, every trail on the chemtrail tracker is a chemtrail, a trail of chemicals that causes acid rain, global dimming (22% less sunlight hits the surface of our planet since 1960) and the leading cause of global warming.
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Oh, now global dimming is at 22%, is it? Just last week I read it was 20%. At this rate we're all going to freeze to death in 39 weeks.

Or is this "conspiracy inflation"? Every conspiracy theorist sees a value and decides to make it a little worse and since all they do is copy off each other the value gets worse with every re-telling.
 
Mick said:
Hi Jim. I think the biggest problem with your theory is that global dimming has reversed over the last decade, and even if it were on the rise it would seem more likely to produce global cooling than global warming.
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Actually, it is still on the increase, and persistent contrails, in addition to the myriad of other pollutants thickening our skies, are causing ocean acidification at an alarming rate, and coupled with our indoor nature and less sun coming in, rickets is once again on the rise.The main point i want to get across is this, if you take any problem, there are many stressors involved often overlooked. When we are talking about the climate, there are so many variables that cause the ocean acidification that one cannot say in any case that "this" or "that" caused the problem. My map is an attempt to document the massive amount of "bad" variables out there.=)
 
See a plane that appears to be doing more than contrailing? Go inside and check the flight, if it's not on the maps provided in the external section, it is a military plane. The Air Force ARE and HAVE been modifying the weather for years, and to imply that it is absurd that aerial spraying of chemicals is not going on is a testament to your ignorance of the long history of biological testing on the United States public.
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Flight tracking data comes from either the ADS-B system or from just estimating position based on the submitted flight plan. The ADS-B system is being phased in so not all flights are currently tracked by ADS-B. ADS-B won't be fully implemented until 2020. Tracking sites that just estimate position based on the flight plan can be off if there are any delays or differences in tail/head winds affecting ground speed. So it's not accurate to say that any flight seen overhead that's not listed by a flight tracking site has to be military. There are a number of reasons why a commercial flight might not show up on a flight tracking site. Where do you fetch the data for this "chemtrail tracker" anyway?

Regardless, every trail on the chemtrail tracker is a chemtrail, a trail of chemicals that causes acid rain, global dimming (22% less sunlight hits the surface of our planet since 1960) and the leading cause of global warming.
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Again, not accurate. Global dimming varies with location, however the global average has been estimated at just 4% less solar irradiance from 1960-1990. Global dimming has a COOLING effect, not warming. Global dimming has been decreasing since the eruption of Pinatubo in 1991. Acid rain is caused by sulfur dioxide and nitrous oxides in exhaust gases. Aviation alone has not been identified as the sole cause of either acid rain, global dimming or global cooling.
 
rezn8d said:
Actually, it is still on the increase, and persistent contrails, in addition to the myriad of other pollutants thickening our skies, are causing ocean acidification at an alarming rate
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Can you provide references that say that global dimming is on the increase?

Why would persistent contrails cause ocean acidification? They are just ice crystals. Why would it be different from aircraft exhaust is a less humid region of the atmosphere?
 
Ocean "acidification" is a misnomer. The pH of sea water is above 8.0 so it would be more accurate to say that some parts of the worlds oceans are slightly less alkaline. The drop in pH is from approximately 8.12 to 8.08 which is still very much alkaline.

The increase in rickets is directly related to a decrease in outdoor activity, it has nothing to do with global dimming.
 
Chew said:
Oh, now global dimming is at 22%, is it? Just last week I read it was 20%. At this rate we're all going to freeze to death in 39 weeks.Or is this "conspiracy inflation"? Every conspiracy theorist sees a value and decides to make it a little worse and since all they do is copy off each other the value gets worse with every re-telling.
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"There was a staggering 22% drop in the sunlight, and that really amazed me." Intrigued, he searched records from all around the world, and found the same story almost everywhere he looked.Why the Sun seems to be 'dimming' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4171591.stmWhat is global dimming? http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/may/11/global-dimming-pollutionYour argument holds no water, and you are a poor troll.
 
I suppose you want me to be specific so you can have fun with semantics. I have extensive information on geoengineering and weather modification companies and contracts, and you will find that over the last year I have prepared for any BS anyone can throw at me. Everything I have done was made with an honest attempt to get the facts straight and reference .edu and .gov links. Go to my blog and learn wtf your conspiracy webpages didnt tell you.

Things you should know that apparently you don't, debunk this:

Weather Modification 101 – Just the Facts (100% fact, test me) http://rezn8d.net/2011/11/28/weather-modification-101-100-years-of-cloud-seeding/

This page is dedicated to disproving all you “tinfoil hat” comment posting sock-puppets, trolls, and e-bastards. Herein you will find the most complete directory of Weather Modification related companies, associations, scientific papers, and links on the internet. Tons of work went into this, so feel free to mirror and share it, just please leave the link to my website. Inform yourself, inform your neighbors.
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Changing the weather with Radio Waves (100% fact, test me) http://rezn8d.net/2012/05/10/weather-modification-radio-wave-cloud-ionizer/

The HAARP Univeristy (100% fact, test me) http://rezn8d.com/haarp/

My article on conspiracy theories:It’s The End Of The World As We Know It (i know you guys will have fun with this post, added for lulz)
http://rezn8d.net/2012/04/12/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/

I can see that the intent of this forum is not friendly discussion. Enjoy the website, if you have any real questions feel free to contact me. And honestly, if there is something on any of my websites that isn't true and you can provide me factual reference material to back it up, I'll certainly update my stuff. Spread truth.
 
rezn8d said:
I suppose you want me to be specific so you can have fun with semantics. I have extensive information on geoengineering and weather modification companies and contracts, and you will find that over the last year I have prepared for any BS anyone can throw at me. Everything I have done was made with an honest attempt to get the facts straight and reference .edu and .gov links. Go to my blog and learn wtf your conspiracy webpages didnt tell you.

Things you should know that apparently you don't, debunk this:

Weather Modification 101 – Just the Facts (100% fact, test me) http://rezn8d.net/2011/11/28/weather-modification-101-100-years-of-cloud-seeding/


I can see that the intent of this forum is not friendly discussion. Enjoy the website, if you have any real questions feel free to contact me. And honestly, if there is something on any of my websites that isn't true and you can provide me factual reference material to back it up, I'll certainly update my stuff. Spread truth.
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Actually, this forum is intended to be friendly discussion- see the politeness policy.

So...cloud seeding has been done for decades..and is not secret...it is well known...what does that have to do with "chemtrails"....and/or what exactly is your point?
 
rezn8d said:
"There was a staggering 22% drop in the sunlight, and that really amazed me." Intrigued, he searched records from all around the world, and found the same story almost everywhere he looked.Why the Sun seems to be 'dimming' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4171591.stmWhat is global dimming? http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/may/11/global-dimming-pollutionYour argument holds no water, and you are a poor troll.
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From your first link:
Comparing Israeli sunlight records from the 1950s with current ones, Dr Stanhill was astonished to find a large fall in solar radiation.
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And the money shot:
Although the effect varied greatly from place to place, overall the decline amounted to one to two per cent globally every decade between the 1950s and the 1990s.
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From your second link:
The observed "dimming" has strong regional differences across the globe. While the southern hemisphere saw modest dimming in the period 1961–90 (which has continued to date), the northern hemisphere saw much more significant declines (reductions of 4–8%). Since then some parts of the world, such as Europe and North America, have seen partial recovery (known as "brightening"), while other regions (most notably China and India) have seen further although regionally mixed declines.
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I guess I should be happy you didn't use the "nearly 30% for parts of the former Soviet Union" for your cherry-picking.
 
rezn8d said:
I suppose you want me to be specific so you can have fun with semantics.
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No, I'd like you to be specific so we can see what you are actually claiming. You say that "persistent contrails" are partly responsible for ocean acidification. And yet you refuse to explain why you think this is so.

That's not fun with semantics. I'm trying to address the central point, like your claim about 22% global dimming. There's nothing semantic about that, you simply got it wrong.
 
rezn8d said:
I can see that the intent of this forum is not friendly discussion. Enjoy the website, if you have any real questions feel free to contact me. And honestly, if there is something on any of my websites that isn't true and you can provide me factual reference material to back it up, I'll certainly update my stuff. Spread truth.
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Alright, how about this:

http://rezn8d.net/2012/03/07/chemtrails-climate-change/

Global dimming is the key reason for climate change, and should be the focus of international discussion, however our leaders would rather focus on “remediating global warming” instead of what is causing it. As a result of global dimming, the sun is unable to evaporate the ocean’s water as efficiently as it could forty years ago, meaning less clouds forming.
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You claim that global dimming is causing global warming. And yet your linked source says global dimming would have a cooling effect, and since clouds have a net warming effect, the lack of clouds would also result in net cooling.
 
I showed you where I got the 22% from, which was the opinion of one scientist, and opinions are like ....

If you wish to know more, tune in Saturday and Sunday to the truth summit on CTNN and hear my thoughts on geoengineering, weather modification, and contrails/chemtrails
The lines are blurred between the three categories...

1. http://www.rbs2.com/w2.htm
2. http://www.etcgroup.org/content/world-geoengineering more specifically http://www.etcgroup.org/sites/www.etcgroup.org/files/files/GeoMap-WMinfo.pdf
3. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ada539515
4. http://defensetech.org/2006/02/08/air-force-aims-for-weather-control/
5. http://climateviewer.com/pdf/PROJECT-MIRAGE-Plasma-Gas.pdf (chaff + high power microwaves = destroying biological warfare agents & ionospheric deformations leading to weather modification)

You see, HAARP works off chaff producing plasma, which is heated, causing weather modification among other effects. MIRAGE is a portable HAARP system. The possible implications of "air plasma manipulation" leaves anything open to possibility. I intend to observe the interaction of common pollutants (like jet exhaust, ship trails, coal factories), known geoengineering/weather mod projects, and high power electromagnetic locations. As I don't know what I will find in the long run, this map is simply to help myself flesh out such a broad scope of "George Jetson" issues.

"Weather Resonance Technology", "Cloud Ionizers", "Ocean Rainfall Acquisition (ORA, Aquiess 'Drake International' website now deleted, http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.aquiess.com/*)"

Much to chew on, not here to debate chemtrails and percentages. I'm pretty sure everything i just linked is news to all of you, so please, act suprised.
 
rezn8d said:
Much to chew on, not here to debate chemtrails and percentages. I'm pretty sure everything i just linked is news to all of you, so please, act suprised.
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I can't speak for the others, but none of it was news to me.

So can you explain how global dimming causes global warming? Or how persistent contrails cause ocean acidification? Sure you post vast amounts of real things on your web site (like the weather control page, mostly accurate), but then you make these bizarre claims on top of that. The 95% factual nature of your web site does not make the 5% of bunk any less bunk.
 
noted, I'll work on that. batting 95% isn't bad for a guy who just started blogging and has no training in any of this... I'll consider that a compliment
 
rezn8d said:
noted, I'll work on that. batting 95% isn't bad for a guy who just started blogging and has no training in any of this... I'll consider that a compliment
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The problem is that the 95% is stuff you've cut and paste from other places. The 5% (probably less) bunk seems mostly to be your own theories and speculation that you've layered on top. Stuff like:

http://rezn8d.net/2012/01/19/geoengineering-201-chemtrails-contrails-and-global-dimming/

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The thing is, the sulfur and carbon would be in the exhaust regardless of if it forms a contrail or not. And what you see in the second photo is NOTHING like the black smoke coming from the truck. It's 99.99% water, and that is why it is acceptable - as acceptable as regular car exhaust.
 
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Global dimming is the key reason for climate change, and should be the focus of international discussion, however our leaders would rather focus on “remediating global warming” instead of what is causing it. As a result of global dimming, the sun is unable to evaporate the ocean’s water as efficiently as it could forty years ago, meaning less clouds forming.
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The Nova episode he links to was dated 2006. It did speak of a dimming through the 1980's.
But Nova was a little behind the times, because a year earlier Martin Wild had published his work about global brightening.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7346-clearing-smog-has-led-to-global-brightening.html

So, rezn8r, now that its been shown that you had some out-of-date information, let me turn you on to an even more in-depth discussion which is information I gathered in 2007 after studying the subject of brightening/ dimming. What I realized was that if geengineering ever took place, there woud be a measureable effect. That effect has not been seen!-
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/11...bunks-quot-Chemtrails-are-Geoengineering-quot

[QUOTErezn8r]And honestly, if there is something on any of my websites that isn't true and you can provide me factual reference material to back it up, I'll certainly update my stuff. Spread truth. [/QUOTE]

Ok, the ball is in your court, which way will you run?
 
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rezn8d said:
Hope you enjoy my project, and next time, email me before heading off to some forum. Love you, mean it.
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Thank you for you reply. You must be tracking rather vigorously to have noticed this so quickly.

Regardless, every trail on the chemtrail tracker is a chemtrail, a trail of chemicals that causes acid rain, global dimming (22% less sunlight hits the surface of our planet since 1960) and the leading cause of global warming.
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I have seen no evidence that substantiates these sweeping claims.

My opinion is that your site could distract from real pollution problems if is meshes too much bunk or speculation with real facts. I'm much more worried about what is coming out of coal fired power plant stacks and what strip mining does in Appalachia than I am airplane exhaust. I'm much more worried about the excessive eutrophication of our coastal waters which is suffocating the Chesapeake Bay, leadin to a aglae bloom that has destroyed at least 30,000 acres of sea grass in the Indian River Lagoon in Volusia and Brevard counties so far in the last year or so. The mecury and nitrogen as core pollutants in those problems I list here are 99.9% from activities here on the ground. Great that such information is included on your site but claims like
chemtrails are causing ocean acidification
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are not valid claims.

I'll see if I can provide useful feedback at some point but I don't have the time for this that you apparently do. I'm just doing a drive by right now as I check my email between work and heading out to the river to do a 20km paddle.
 
scombrid said:
Thank you for you reply. You must be tracking rather vigorously to have noticed this so quickly.

I have seen no evidence that substantiates these sweeping claims.

My opinion is that your site could distract from real pollution problems if is meshes too much bunk or speculation with real facts. I'm much more worried about what is coming out of coal fired power plant stacks and what strip mining does in Appalachia than I am airplane exhaust. I'm much more worried about the excessive eutrophication of our coastal waters which is suffocating the Chesapeake Bay, leadin to a aglae bloom that has destroyed at least 30,000 acres of sea grass in the Indian River Lagoon in Volusia and Brevard counties so far in the last year or so. The mecury and nitrogen as core pollutants in those problems I list here are 99.9% from activities here on the ground. Great that such information is included on your site but claims like are not valid claims.

I'll see if I can provide useful feedback at some point but I don't have the time for this that you apparently do. I'm just doing a drive by right now as I check my email between work and heading out to the river to do a 20km paddle.
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I want to learn, then set the record straight so people can have a credible source of information in a sea of shit.
I encourage you to set me straight if I err, I assure you my beliefs are based on the information I have present. If you see something that you know that be false, email me or message me on any of the many social media doomahickeys I have.
Example in next post
 
Jay Reynolds said:
The Nova episode he links to was dated 2006. It did speak of a dimming through the 1980's.
But Nova was a little behind the times, because a year earlier Martin Wild had published his work about global brightening.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7346-clearing-smog-has-led-to-global-brightening.html

So, rezn8r, now that its been shown that you had some out-of-date information, let me turn you on to an even more in-depth discussion which is information I gathered in 2007 after studying the subject of brightening/ dimming. What I realized was that if geengineering ever took place, there woud be a measureable effect. That effect has not been seen!-
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/11...bunks-quot-Chemtrails-are-Geoengineering-quot

rezn8r said:
And honestly, if there is something on any of my websites that isn't true and you can provide me factual reference material to back it up, I'll certainly update my stuff. Spread truth.
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Ok, the ball is in your court, which way will you run?
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How's my batting average now?

[EX=http://rezn8d.net/2012/03/07/chemtrails-climate-change/]Many blame contrails for contributing to global dimming & climate change, and the Council of Foreign Relations is calling for global action in “remediating global warming” with Geoengineering instead of first proving that global warming and dimming are even happening. Gerry Stanhill reported that a dramatic 22 percent reduction of sunlight had occurred in Israel between the 1950s and the 1980s. As a result, storm clouds aren’t as tall as they used to be, and extreme weather is on the rise.For the global dimming theory to hold water, the aerosol optical density (how thick the air is with chemicals) should be on the rise (as the carbon credit selling technocrats would have us believe).
These three sources claim that the air gets cleaner every year:
Temporal increase of FdAOTs (440 nm) prevails over
newly industrializing countries in East Asia (weighted
trends; +6.23 % yr−1 at Beijing) and active agricultural burning regions in South Africa (+1.89 % yr −1 at Mongu).

On the other hand, insignificant or negative trends for FdAOTs are detected over:

Western Europe
+0.25 % yr −1 at Avignon
−2.29 % yr −1 at Ispra

North America
−0.52 % yr −1 for GSFC
−0.01 % yr −1 at MD Science Center

Over desert regions, both increase and decrease of CdAOTs
+3.37 % yr −1 at Solar Village
−1.18 % yr −1 at Ouagadougou
are observed depending on meteorological conditions.
Source:
Trend analysis of aerosol optical thickness and Angstrom exponent derived from the global AERONET spectral observations
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and
The long-term trend of aerosol optical thickness (AOT) over the global oceans has been studied by using a nearly 25-year aerosol record from the Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer (AVHRR) Pathfinder Atmosphere extended (PATMOS-x) data set. Both global and regional analyses have been performed to derive the AOT tendencies for monthly, seasonal, and annual mean AOT values at AVHRR 0.63 μm channel (or Channel-1). A linear decadal change of −0.01 is obtained for globally and monthly averaged aerosol optical thickness, τ1​, of AVHRR Channel-1. This negative tendency is even more evident for globally and annually averaged τ1​ and the magnitude can be up to −0.03/decade. Seasonal patterns in the AOT regional long-term trend are evident. In general, negative tendencies are observed for seasonally averaged τ1​ in regions influenced by emissions from industrialized countries and the magnitude can be up to −0.10/decade. Positive tendencies are observed in regions influenced by emissions from fast developing countries and the magnitude can be up to +0.04/decade. For regions heavily influenced by Saharan desert particles, a negative trend with a maximum magnitude of −0.03/decade is detected. However, over regions influenced by smoke from biomass burning, positive tendencies with a maximum magnitude of +0.04/decade are observed. Sensitivity analyses have also been performed to study the effects of radiance calibration, aerosol retrieval algorithm, and spatial resolution of input retrieval radiances on the global aerosol long-term tendencies.
Source: Study of long-term trend in aerosol optical thickness observed from operational AVHRR satellite instrument
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Also see: Long-Term Satellite Record Reveals Likely Recent Aerosol Trend
09/20/2012 NOTE: THANKS TO THE GUYS AT METABUNK.COM FOR SETTING ME STRAIGHT ON GLOBAL DIMMING. LOOKS LIKE I HAVE MORE REVISING TO DO IN THE NEAR FUTURE ON OTHER ARTICLES. KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE.

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rezn8d said:
The HAARP Univeristy (100% fact, test me) http://rezn8d.com/haarp/
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Under a big picture of lightning on that page you ask:

So HAARP is directly involved in the Lightning Weapon studies? So much for all the bullshit about submarine communications.
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Seems to me to be strong insinuation that they are studying HAARP as some kine of lightning weapon and weather modifier. That page makes a big deal out of "triggered lightning". Thing is, the lightning is clearly being triggered from the ground (using rockets, wires and such) and they are trying to study how tropospheric lightning interacts with the ionosphere including the propagation of radiowaves up there.

http://www.lightningsafetyalliance.com/documents/florida_proposal.pdf

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...a3a5881b58c695a2aab3ad65bf8&tab=core&_cview=0

That is a lot of mixing of tangentally related issues to come to a conclusion that I find unreasonable.
 
Stanford VLF studies ELVES and SPRITES, and other VLF emissions from Lightning, and uses the HAARP facility.
See the DARPA justification linking HAARP, Lighting, and your front porch:
http://rezn8d.net/2012/03/21/darpa-haarp-team-thundercats/

As previously discussed in my article, HAARP, Project NIMBUS, and the Fire of the Gods, DARPA is eagerly pursuing the capability of striking any target worldwide with “fire from the heavens”.
Let’s recap. In their DARPA 2012 (budget) Justification Book we find the following:
FY 2012 Plans:


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The Air Force Research Lab and Navy Research Lab are acutely giddy about making weather weapons as we are all aware.

Artificial Lightning: Laser Triggers Electrical Activity In Thunderstorm For The First Time

ScienceDaily (Apr. 14, 2008) — A team of European scientists has deliberately triggered electrical activity in thunderclouds for the first time, according to a new paper in the latest issue of Optics Express, the Optical Society's (OSA) open-access journal. They did this by aiming high-power pulses of laser light into a thunderstorm.

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Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser Testbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2eehBk_DNQ

AF 2025 ain't so far off after all.

If they can increase the potential of an electrical storm, then fire a laser from above the storm, they can aim lightning bolts as the bolts follow the path of least resistance which is the laser path. You're probably like yeah right....

Lasers Can Be Used to Steer Lightning In Mid-Strike

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-03/lightning-can-strike-twice-if-you-have-some-lasers

Laser light can not only trigger lightning but redirect it, causing it to strike in the same place over and over, according to new research. This means lasers could serve as lightning rods. Because that would be awesome.
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rezn8d said:
you troll hard lol
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You say I'm trolling because I asked you for a source?

No worries, but can you back up your claim that global dimming has caused a rise in extreme weather? Maybe with some numbers as well as a source?
 
rezn8d said:
If they can increase the potential of an electrical storm, then fire a laser from above the storm, they can aim lightning bolts as the bolts follow the path of least resistance which is the laser path. You're probably like yeah right....

Lasers Can Be Used to Steer Lightning In Mid-Strike

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-03/lightning-can-strike-twice-if-you-have-some-lasers

Laser light can not only trigger lightning but redirect it, causing it to strike in the same place over and over, according to new research. This means lasers could serve as lightning rods. Because that would be awesome.
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That would indeed be awesome! Not incredibly practical though, and very easy to shield against. You'd be better off zapping them with the laser.
 
Jim,
This is from your page, http://rezn8d.net/2012/08/09/smoking-gun-the-haarp-and-chemtrails-connection/

rezn8d said:
Although lesser ionospheric heaters do not generate energy beams as powerful or possess the same functionality as HAARP, similar facilities are located around the world. Along with a smaller facility located near Fairbanks, Alaska, other ionospheric heater locations include: Puerto Rico, Norway, Russia, Tajikistan, Peru and the Middle East. The latest word is that Russia, China and the United States have set up HAARP-like facilities in Antarctica. (Source)
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Solrey and Mick looked at the source of your text. It was found to consist of a series of photoshopped and misattributed images by a person with a history of these amateurish and once revealed, rather amusing hoaxes. He sucked you down hs rabbit hole....
Read More-
https://www.metabunk.org/posts/10676

Here is the supposed Haarp "Death Chain" facility:
Antarctica Chinese Zhong HAARP Tower [screenshot]
antarcticaphotoshop.jpg

Turns out to be a 3 foot tall stone marker:
antarcticareal.jpg
 
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You people who areclaiming that the Arecibo dish is a Haarp facility need to go there and see. Its a beautiful location, but the radiotelescope is no kind of "ioospheric heater". The place dates back to the 60's, tourists go there every day, see these tech geeks having a look:
http://www.relaxorium.com/journalpics/pr/index8.html

(BTW, the mushrooms growing on a log is actually an aerial termite nest)
 
Jay Reynolds said:
Jim,
This is from your page, http://rezn8d.net/2012/08/09/smoking-gun-the-haarp-and-chemtrails-connection/



Solrey and Mick looked at the source of your text. It was found to consist of a series of photoshopped and misattributed images by a person with a history of these amateurish and once revealed, rather amusing hoaxes. He sucked you down hs rabbit hole....
Read More-
https://www.metabunk.org/posts/10676

Here is the supposed Haarp "Death Chain" facility:
Antarctica Chinese Zhong HAARP Tower [screenshot]
antarcticaphotoshop.jpg

Turns out to be a 3 foot tall stone marker:
antarcticareal.jpg
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That article was a re-blog of an activist post article, not my writing. And after seeing that source, I am going to remove the article.

I have bookmarked ionospheric heaters from around the world, and my info is accurate.
http://climateviewer.com/ Click Electromagnetic->Ionospheric Heaters

Watch this video where I show most of them:
What do you know about HAARP and the Ionospheric Heaters worldwide? 3D Map & Details

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-3RlBHCiGU&feature=BFa&list=UUxi8wqtADZckzLvWqkW5Kvg



And for the record, Arecibo is an ionospheric heater (upper atmospheric radar)
Here is the google earth balloon with the info i provided on Arecibo:

Arecibo Space Telescope

Arecibo, Puerto Rico
2.5 MW: 440 MHz (center frequency)
305 m fixed dish

The William E Gordon Telescope

Those who see the Arecibo radio telescope for the first time are astounded by the enormousness of the reflecting surface, or radio mirror. The huge "dish" is 305 m (1000 feet) in diameter, 167 feet deep, and covers an area of about twenty acres. The surface is made of almost 40,000 perforated aluminum panels, each measuring about 3 feet by 6 feet, supported by a network of steel cables strung across the underlying karst sinkhole. It is a spherical (not parabolic) reflector. Source: naic.edu

Arecibo Observatory website

Arecibo Incoherent Scatter Radar
CEDAR: ARO
Instrument Details

Arecibo MST Radar
CEDAR: ARM
Instrument Details




Sorry Jay, you're wrong.
 
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Let’s recap. In their DARPA 2012 (budget) Justification Book we find the following:
FY 2012 Plans:



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None of these justifies a conclusion that DARPA is manipulating weather/lightning with HAARP. Ever notice the static on the AM and VHF radios that results from lightning? That is essentially what the fifth bullet is studying. The third bullet in that list is trying to figure out how lightning affects the ionosphere and radio transmissions though it. The second bullet is an attempt to direct transmissions (So there's your bullshit about submarine communications). Ducts form naturally and there is an attempt to create them in a controlled way. Bullet 4 looks like an extension of types of research that have been going on for awhile.

Sure would be great to use lightning in a controlled way for whatever reason (e.g. make it strike away from you and your operations and/or make it strike in your enemies camp...). But there nothing suggesting that storms are being created. Lightning is not being manipulated by HAARP or HAARP like facilities. When it has been created it has been triggered in "ripe" clouds using ground based systems and so far is being triggered in an attempt to be able to do more controlled expiriments on what happens around lighning (radio emissions and such) or in an attempt to directly lightning away from a sensitive installation. It's fascinating stuff that you link but I don't see the weaponification as a reality or even as an expiramental goal of the linked material.
 
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