Claim: "They're eating the dogs" - Trump / Harris Presidential Debate '24

You have just pooh-poohed people who are rightly concerned about school violence, a cruel and callous indifference to life on your part. There are more things than an actual shooting to be concerned about. Verbal or telephone threats, or people bringing a gun but being thwarted by police (it's happened in my town) ALL get people "extremely upset", children traumatized, parents furious, and teachers quitting. Those threats are not rare items at all:

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The district home of Oxford High School in Michigan – where a teenager in 2021 killed four students and wounded six others and a teacher – got 35,000 threats in a month after the massacre. It typically gets 500 in a year, according to an academic study that claims it's one of the first to quantify more than 1,000 threats of school violence over four academic years.
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No agency or group tracks all threats of US school violence, from possible gun attacks to bombings to any other conceivable danger.

"Schools likely quietly handle thousands of threats of shootings that do not make the news," the study's authors wrote this year in the American Psychological Association's Journal of Threat Assessment and Management.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/05/us/school-violence-threats-parents-dilemma-dg/index.html
All of these of those threats requires police time (that we pay for) to investigate. Many of them, such as bomb threats, require a school to be evacuated with the loss of class time. ALL of them traumatize the school staff, even when the students are not aware of them. It's heartless to hand-wave away that trauma, and all, apparently, for the sake of keeping your gun.
This quote is misleading. First, OK2Say takes all kinds of reports from bullying, to child abuse, threats, suicide etc. So that 35,000 number includes many items that are not police matters and are sent to other agencies such as Children's Protective Services or the schools and many are not investigated as they don't rise to the level requiring investigation (I worked as a supervisor for CPS in MI for their Centralized Intake and screened many of these out). Further the 500 threats listed are for all schools in MI, not just Oxford.
 
Springfield is one town.
Newtown is one town.

I thought i'd get flack for the 6000 years comment.
I do not comprehend this reply at all.

The "once in 6000 years" means the same statistically as "1 school in 6000 each year". You did get called out on it because that ratio is too low.
 
you might be exaggerating a bit. school shootings aren't widespread but it doesn't stop people from being extremely upset when 1 in 6000 years happens in their town.
Apart from your math being incorrect, you are making an erroneous assumption that people "get upset" only when it happens in their town. EVERY school shooting is a nationally-publicized event, and people all over the country are, rightly, upset whether it happens in Columbine, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, or any other school.
 
I think @deidre's intended point (correct me if I'm wrong) is that a relatively rare unpleasant event can have a big impact, and make people think that that type of event is more common than it is.

The allegations about immigrants in Springfield might be different in that there isn't any reliable evidence of any of them eating cats or dogs- perceptions that they do, or have done, or might do, are based on dubious internet posts (without checkable evidence) which have been amplified by influential politicians. This makes some people associate immigrants with pet-eating.

Going off-topic, I typed something like "how many high schools in usa" and got this (via Microsoft Bing):

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Got different responses on repeating the search later.
 
I do not comprehend this reply at all.

The "once in 6000 years" means the same statistically as "1 school in 6000 each year". You did get called out on it because that ratio is too low.
i dont comprehend your reply to my reply either. so... :)

there were no statistics or math needed for my initial comment. I was talking about John's assumption that the public assumes that Haitians eating cats is widespread amongst Haitians.
 
The allegations about immigrants in Springfield might be different in that there isn't any reliable evidence of any of them eating cats or dogs- perceptions that they do, or have done, or might do, are based on dubious internet posts (without checkable evidence) which have been amplified by influential politicians.
and that's all that needs to be said.
 
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