Claim: "They're eating the dogs" - Trump / Harris Presidential Debate '24

And again today, from ABC news:

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Two elementary schools were evacuated and a middle school was closed on Friday in the wake of threats in Springfield, Ohio, the Springfield City School District said. The elementary schools released students to their parents, officials said.

Though it is not yet known if they are connected, the threats come after baseless rumors spread online in the wake of viral social media posts claiming Haitian migrants were abducting people's pets in Springfield order to eat them.

The rumors were amplified by right-wing politicians, including former President Donald Trump and his running mate Sen. JD Vance.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/bomb-thre...buildings-springfield-ohio/story?id=113619803

Stochastic terrorism seems to be the tactic of choice in right-wing politics these days.
 
Ann K said:
Stochastic terrorism seems to be the tactic of choice in right-wing politics these days.
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I noticed some are now sniffing around to find the source of this particular boogieman narrative. Most noses are pointing to...
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Who came up with the outlandish claims?
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On Sept. 9, Loomer posted that "cannibalistic Haitians" in Ohio were "eating people's pets."
-- https://eu.palmbeachpost.com/story/...at-dog-eating-immigrants-in-ohio/75180873007/

From her apalling racist posting history, she's certainly got the motivation, and apparently she's had very close access to Trump recently:
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Media reports, including from CNN and NPR, said Loomer traveled on Trump's plane to Philadelphia, where Tuesday night's debate was held, sparking speculation that perhaps Loomer was among those who placed the false story on Trump's radar.
So that seems a perfectly possible proximal source. However, it looks the influencing might be bidirectional:
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On Thursday, Sept. 12, Loomer upped the rhetoric on X with an inflammatory post that claimed Haitian immigrants also eat human beings. Curiously, in the missive she echoed Trump's frequent rally speech references to a 1990s fictional movie about a serial killer: "Only Hannibal Lecter himself would want to bring more of them to the United States!"
 
FatPhil said:
I noticed some are now sniffing around to find the source of this particular boogieman narrative.
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I don't know who started it but Trump (who thinks he has coined a word that's been in use since pre-biblical days, and who thinks that he is going to send Haitians "back to Venezuela") is still pushing that narrative. He is now (in a Xitter feed) publicly disparaging the harm being done in Springfield.

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REPORTER: The mayor of Springfield, Ohio, the police chief, the Republican governor of Ohio, have all debunked this story about people eating pets. And now there are bomb threats at schools and kids being evacuated. Why do you still spread this false story?

TRUMP: No, no. No. The real threat is what's happening at our border. Because you have thousands of people being killed by illegal migrants coming in and also dying. You have women dying as they come up. They're coming up in large groups. We call it a caravan. I think I came up with that name, but it's really what it is.


Source: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1834657293599658209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1834657293599658209%7Ctwgr%5E9d9e8860d53baba473f2fb025e8443b1099b7fe7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.joemygod.com%2F2024%2F09%2Ffelon-shrugs-off-inciting-bomb-threats-to-oh-schools%2F
 
Ann K said:
who thinks that he is going to send Haitians "back to Venezuela"
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he obviously meant aurora where the gangs with assault rifles are walking around. Considering all of Biden's "gaffs" over the last 3 years, one would think you'd be a bit more lenient.
 
John J. said:
Is he claiming to have helped Ernie Isley, Chris Jasper and Marvin Isley write the song "Caravan of Love" in 1985?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravan_of_Love
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the "it" is a line of migrants. he's talking about migrant caravans.. and he didnt come up with the name. (although to be honest this is the only example ive found thus far pre-trump)
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FatPhil said:
I noticed some are now sniffing around to find the source of this particular boogieman narrative. Most noses are pointing to...
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Source: https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1833931723421388824

Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist in Florida, offered $5000 for proof of people eating cats in Springfield.

A few hours later he amended the offer "the incident had to happen before the debate, don't eat your own cats." Which... Yeah, I did the math. Shelter cats are $35 and Springfield is only a day's drive.
 
FatPhil said:
I noticed some are now sniffing around to find the source of this particular boogieman narrative. Most noses are pointing to...
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Who came up with the outlandish claims?
...
On Sept. 9, Loomer posted that "cannibalistic Haitians" in Ohio were "eating people's pets."
-- https://eu.palmbeachpost.com/story/...at-dog-eating-immigrants-in-ohio/75180873007/

From her apalling racist posting history, she's certainly got the motivation, and apparently she's had very close access to Trump recently:
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Media reports, including from CNN and NPR, said Loomer traveled on Trump's plane to Philadelphia, where Tuesday night's debate was held, sparking speculation that perhaps Loomer was among those who placed the false story on Trump's radar.
So that seems a perfectly possible proximal source. However, it looks the influencing might be bidirectional:
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On Thursday, Sept. 12, Loomer upped the rhetoric on X with an inflammatory post that claimed Haitian immigrants also eat human beings. Curiously, in the missive she echoed Trump's frequent rally speech references to a 1990s fictional movie about a serial killer: "Only Hannibal Lecter himself would want to bring more of them to the United States!"
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The presence of hard-right conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer alongside Donald Trump on the campaign trail in recent days has raised questions, including from some Republicans, about the influence the controversial former congressional candidate may have on him.

Ms Loomer is well-known for her anti-Muslim rhetoric and for spreading conspiracy theories, including that the 9/11 attacks were an "inside job" carried out by the US government.

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Perhaps the most memorable moment of that debate came when Trump repeated a baseless claim that illegal immigrants from Haiti have been eating domestic pets in a small Ohio city. "They are eating the pets of the people that live there," he said. [..]

Trump said he was repeating claims he had heard on television, but the theory was aired by Ms Loomer just a day before the debate. On Monday, the fringe pundit and social media influencer repeated the claims to her 1.2m followers on X.

Looks like he's going to have help with "stop the steal" 2.0. :(

The rumor mill is saying she's Trump's latest mistress.
 
I would just like to comment on what I see as an inaccurate comparison here between far-right and far-left extremism cases of violence in the United States. While it is true that far-right violence is by far the most common one these days (we are far away from the days of Haymarket and Czolgosz) and a lot of American far-right extremists are Trump supporters, not every far-right extremist is a Trump supporter. Violent islamists (who are usually separated from non-muslim extremists in the statistics but who I think you can fairly say heavily skew conservative/far-right today since the rise of salafistic extremism amongst sunnis and the reactionary twelver shi'ism promoted by Iran) are usually not Trump supporters, or supporters of any mainstream American politician for that matter.

When it comes to left-wing extremist supporters of Kamala Harris/the democrats at large, almost no left-wing extremists are actual supporters, which is a huge difference compared to how the vast majority of January 6th insurrectionists and QAnon believers are hardcore Trump supporters. The ideological distance between your average antifa/black bloc anarchist and Kamala Harris is much, much larger than it is between Harris and Trump. Some left-wing extremists may still vote for them (especially if they live in a swing state) but they will do so reluctantly and considering Harris' refusal to take a harder stance than Biden on Gaza, I suspect the number of left-wing extremists actually going to the polls for the Dems will be far fewer than in 2020.
 
deirdre said:
it is horrible for the legal immigrants, but they were already suffering the outcast thing, as it sounds like issues in the town are pretty bad at this point even prior the cat thing.

but the main issue (and hopefully most know this) is the fault lies at the federal governments feet. you cant let huge amounts of immigrants (legal or illegal) move into smallish communities that dont have the infrastructure or any federal funds help to deal with the influx.

I heard earlier that not only was a child killed (by unlicensed driver) but a womans mother in law was killed bringing her garbage cans in. The haitians dont know how to drive, but i dont think its their fault if they dont understand the laws or there aren't enough troopers to oversee the situation (the governor said yesterday he is sending more troopers to Springfield).

All the problems Springfield is facing is not the immigrants fault. I dont blame them for wanting to move en masse to the same locale (esp. if they dont speak the language), the Irish did that, the italians did that, the polish did that etc etc. BUT if we are going to invite LEGAL people in for their protection (which i agree with), then a plan needs to be put in place and they do need to be spread out somewhat so schools and hospitals and primary care arent overwhelmed. AND The FEDERAL government should be paying for them 100%. whether in Texas, NYC, Chicago, Springfield etc etc.

The cat issue isnt that big a deal, in my opinion, but now seeing what IS a big deal in that city (deaths, lack of housing, costs rising etc) I support the residents pleas to help them. That includes the haitian residents. I'm glad the issue was highlighted so the governor (a Republican) can get off his backside finally and actually do something meaningful for the town.
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Repeating unfounded racist rumors about the immigrants stealing and eating pets is not addressing issues around helping communities accommodate immigrants and refugees. What Vance and Trump are repeating about the nature of the immigrants is racist incendiary language. It is not a beneficial way to "highlight the issue".
 
Trump segued from the "dogs and cats" narrative to claim the same for geese, but this photo (not in Springfield) is being misused as "evidence" for the claim.

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A viral pic of a man lugging around 2 geese in Ohio is blowing up after Donald Trump's bizarre pet-munching Haitian immigrant claims … but we're told the photo's just being twisted to fit the former prez's narrative, and what's actually going on is far less dramatic.

The Ohio Division of Wildlife tells TMZ the real deal behind the viral pic — the guy was actually picking up 2 geese that were hit in a Columbus car accident. And by the way, that's 45 minutes from Springfield, where Trump's wild claims supposedly took place.

Also, we're told there's no evidence the man is an immigrant, or Haitian, or had plans to eat the geese.

https://www.tmz.com/2024/09/13/ohio-wildlife-officials-give-context-man-geese-picture/
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I read this yesterday: Basically ground zero for the racist rumor is even more definitively
shown to be a nothingburger:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...s-never-meant-spark-rumors-haitian-rcna171099

SPRINGFIELD, Ohio — The woman behind an early Facebook post spreading a harmful and baseless claim about Haitian immigrants eating local pets that helped thrust a small Ohio city into the national spotlight says she had no firsthand knowledge of any such incident and is now filled with regret and fear as a result of the ensuing fallout.
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Hevach said:
Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist in Florida, offered $5000 for proof of people eating cats in Springfield.

A few hours later he amended the offer "the incident had to happen before the debate, don't eat your own cats." Which... Yeah, I did the math. Shelter cats are $35 and Springfield is only a day's drive.
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So the only person offering an incentive to eat cats in Springfield, Ohio (other than the inherent value of the few hundred calories, protein etc. they might offer) is a pro-Trump activist? :oops:
 
We may not know exactly who started this particular story, but we do know some of the reprehensible people responsible for giving it nationwide publicity by repeating those baseless accusations, including in the extremely public Trump-Harris debate. Sometimes all it takes is a little prodding from public figures to set off some angry but mistaken people.
More fallout today:
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Dayton's CBS affiliate reports:

A bomb threat forced two Springfield area hospitals to lock down early Saturday morning. Kettering Health Springfield went into lockdown this morning after receiving information regarding a bomb threat.

Now, Mercy Health-Springfield Regional Medical Center officials say they also received reports of a bomb threat Saturday morning and were forced into lockdown. Mercy Health-Springfield Regional Medical Center got word of a bomb threat shortly after 6 a.m.

Nothing was found at either hospital and a spokesperson for Mercy Health-Springfield Regional Medical Center said the threat was determined to be not credible. The lockdowns have since been lifted.
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https://www.whio.com/news/local/bom...ingfield-hospital/CV3NS5VKUREVNGNYIDXPQE3J2Q/

My mother died in one of those hospitals, and my father died in the parent hospital to the other.
 
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Ann K said:
We may not know exactly who started this particular story
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Looks like the person may have been identified:
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The woman behind an early Facebook post spreading a harmful and baseless claim about Haitian immigrants eating local pets that helped thrust a small Ohio city into the national spotlight says she had no firsthand knowledge of any such incident and is now filled with regret and fear as a result of the ensuing fallout.
"It just exploded into something I didn't mean to happen," Erika Lee, a Springfield resident, told NBC News on Friday.
Lee recently posted on Facebook about a neighbor's cat that went missing, adding that the neighbor told Lee she thought the cat was the victim of an attack by her Haitian neighbors.
'It just exploded': Springfield woman claims she never meant to spark false rumors about Haitians

She didn't mean for it explode, she just wanted to be locally racist.

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Lee's since-deleted Facebook post first appeared in a private Springfield Facebook group called "Springfield Ohio Crime and Information" earlier this month (Lee could not recall the exact date). The post said: "My neighbor [Newton] informed me that her daughters [sic] friend had lost her cat. … One day she came home from work, as soon as she stepped out of her car, looked towards a neighbors house, where Haitians live, & saw her cat hanging from a branch, like you'd do a deer for butchering, & they were carving it up to eat."

(However, Newton told NewsGuard that the connection to the acquaintance was not through her daughter.)
Triple Hearsay: Original Sources of the Claim that Haitians Eat Pets in Ohio Admit No First-Hand Knowledge[/EX]

Edit: just realized @NoParty already posted the first link. Sorry I missed that!
 
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Giddierone said:
Seems relevant that the father of Aiden Clark felt
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you should write "the child". when the name goes into google too often thats how problems like the SH boy ending up on a Pakistan school shooting poster happen. (i only mention because that Pakistani mistake caused the SH family a ton of extra harassment. )

But i do agree, it is skeevy and morally bankrupt to the extreme when your child's death is used for political gain or clickbait.

^add i'm not talking about about your comment (or the video). your comment is more than fine.
 
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Vance is pushing replacement theory. He said in an interview a day or two ago that Harris would rather import voters to support her than connect with and care about real citizens. That after he was pushing the pet eating story well before Trump repeated it in the debate. This isn't a well intentioned but ham fisted attempt to forward the discussion about how to help communities deal with refugees and immigrants, illegal or legal. It is cynical divisive rhetoric.
 
John J. said:
So the only person offering an incentive to eat cats in Springfield, Ohio (other than the inherent value of the few hundred calories, protein etc. they might offer) is a pro-Trump activist? :oops:
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To be entirely fair with his amendments to the offer it isn't an incentive to eat cats since it had to have already happened.

And to be entirely extra fair he didn't do what the pillow guy did. The money isn't in escrow and there is no third party to decide the winner. Meaning he almost certainly won't pay out and there's nothing anyone will really be able to do to force him to. I don't know if he specifically has done this before but it's not a new tactic.
 
This dates from further back than I realized. Yesterday's "Letters from an American" email from Heather Cox Richardson, a professor of history at Boston College, says:
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After bomb threats today, officials had to evacuate two elementary schools in Springfield, Ohio, and move the students to a different location. They had to close a middle school altogether. This is the second day bomb threats have closed schools and public buildings after MAGA Republicans have spread the lie that Haitian immigrants there have been eating white people's pets. Haitian immigrants, who were welcomed to Springfield by officials eager to revitalize the city and who are there legally, say they are afraid.

Hunter Walker and Josh Kovensky of Talking Points Memo today explained where the lie had come from and how it had spread. More than two months ago, they wrote, Ohio senator J.D. Vance, who is Trump's vice presidential running mate, began to speak about Springfield at a Senate Banking Committee hearing, trying to tie rising housing prices to immigrants. The next day, at the National Conservatism conference, Vance accused "illegals" of overwhelming the city.

On August 10, about a dozen neo-Nazis of the "Blood Tribe" organization showed up in Springfield, where one of their leaders said the city had been taken over by "degenerate third worlders" and blamed the Jews for the influx of migrants. The neo-Nazis stayed and, on August 27, showed up at a meeting of the city council, where their leader threatened council members. On September 1, another white supremacist group, Patriot Front, held its own "protest to the mass influx of unassimilable Haitian migrants" in the city. Right-wing social media posters pushed the story, usually with "witnesses" to events in the city coming from elsewhere.

In late August, posting in a private Facebook group, a resident said they had heard that Haitian immigrants had butchered a neighbor's cat for food. Vance reposted that rumor to attack Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris, on whom he is trying to hang undocumented immigration although it was Trump who convinced Republicans to kill a strong bipartisan border bill this spring. Springfield police and the city manager told news outlets there was no truth to the rumors.

Nonetheless, on September 10, Vance told his people to "keep the cat memes flowing," even though—or perhaps because—the rumors were putting people in his own state in danger.

Trump repeated the lie at the presidential debate that night, claiming, "In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. They're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there." Today, President Joe Biden demanded Trump stop his attacks on Haitian-Americans, but Trump doubled down, promising to deport the Haitian immigrants in Springfield if he is elected, although they are here legally.

The widespread ridicule of Trump's statement has obscured that this attack on Ohio's immigrants is part of an attempt to regain control of the Senate. Convincing Ohio voters that the immigrants in their midst are subhuman could help Republicans defeat popular Democratic incumbent senator Sherrod Brown, who has held his seat since 2007.

Two Republican super PACs, one of which is linked to Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), have booked more than $82 million of ad space in Ohio between Labor Day and the election and are focusing on immigration.

Taking control of the Senate would enable Republicans not only to block all popular Democratic legislation, as they did with gun reform after the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, but to continue to establish control of America's judicial system. So long as their judges are in place to make law from the bench, what the majority of Americans want doesn't matter.

reference: https://substack.com/redirect/e4d30...Q.A7DWQIwK0qWotsocnQ35MY2T7Z0JeOfsANzw5qN883I
 
Ann K said:
This dates from further back than I realized.
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the increase in concern dates back to last year according to the town hall meetings i watched. The cat thing ive only seen on youtube for like a month. (thats why i commented about how odd the bomb threats only started after mainstream media started talking about it.)

npr august 14th
Article:
The rhetoric has gotten so heated, civil rights groups have stepped in. "Frankly, it's embarrassing," says Denice D Williams is the president of the Springfield NAACP.

Williams says she understands concerns about the influx testing infrastructure and services. It's the invasion rhetoric that disturbs her, and brings back painful memories.


july 12th
Article:
Springfield officials were in the dark about the possibility of a large immigrant relocation to the area, Mayor Rob Rue said at the recent Springfield City Commission meeting, but a "network of businesses knew what was coming."

Investigation by the city's Immigrant Accountability Response Team formed in October of 2023 has revealed the possibility "there were companies that knew they were going to make an effort to bring in individuals who were crossing the border based on federal regulations that they could do that," Rue said. "I'm upset at the fact we didn't get a chance to have an infrastructure in place if there were going to be 20,000 more people from 2020 to 2025. We didn't get to do that."


oct 2023
Article:
Oct 8, 2023


Haitian immigrant Patrick Joseph said life was hard in Springfield as he waited for more than a year to get the work permit he needed to make money to support himself and his wife, son and daughter in Haiti.
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"When I first came I was in a three bedroom house," said Joseph, 48, who arrived in Springfield in August 2021, "We had more than 20 people living in that house. (The landlords) just rent the bed in the bedroom. A room can sleep like 10 people. And sometimes the house has only one bathroom."

Joseph said his struggles as a Haitian migrant in Springfield were no comparison to the life people in Haiti face every day where gang violence, kidnappings, murders, deep poverty and political chaos are the norm. He's found Springfield to be a warm and welcoming place, despite recent protests against Haitian immigrants by people at Springfield City Hall in the wake of a fatal school bus accident involving a Haitian immigrant driver on Aug. 22.
 
Ann K said:
Trump segued from the "dogs and cats" narrative to claim the same for geese, but this photo (not in Springfield) is being misused as "evidence" for the claim.

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A viral pic of a man lugging around 2 geese in Ohio is blowing up after Donald Trump's bizarre pet-munching Haitian immigrant claims … but we're told the photo's just being twisted to fit the former prez's narrative, and what's actually going on is far less dramatic.

The Ohio Division of Wildlife tells TMZ the real deal behind the viral pic — the guy was actually picking up 2 geese that were hit in a Columbus car accident. And by the way, that's 45 minutes from Springfield, where Trump's wild claims supposedly took place.

Also, we're told there's no evidence the man is an immigrant, or Haitian, or had plans to eat the geese.

https://www.tmz.com/2024/09/13/ohio-wildlife-officials-give-context-man-geese-picture/
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To be 100% clear,
• these were wild geese
• they were no pets
• it's legal to eat them
• many hunters do
• it's also legal for Haitian immigrants to eat both wild and domesticated geese if they came by them legally
• I eat geese now and then, the supermarket has them occasionally
• they're delicious

To jump from "this dark-skinned man is carrying two dead geese" to "he has stolen them" is a kind of racism that I had hoped the US had finally buried.
 
Ryan Mcbeth published a video addressing the matter:

(08:27 - 09:17) He points at a Springfield Facebook group post by "Erika Lee" as the apparent original source for the claim that immigrants are eating pets. Which was noticed and commentend on by "LemmiesLuLu" (BuckeyeGirrL) on Twitter. Then "End Wokeness" twitter account, which he attributes to Jack Posobiec, highlighted it.

(11:37 - 12:10) He speculates that a Trump's aid spotted the post from "End Wokeness" and discussed this claim with Trump as a possible attack line for the upcoming debate.

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(Erika Lee) - Warning to all about our beloved pets & those around us!!
My neighbor informed me that her daughters friend had lost her cat. She checked pages, kennels, asked around, etc. One day she came home from work, as soon as she stepped out of her car, looked towards a neighbors house, where Haitians live, & saw her cat hanging from a branch, like you'd do a deer for butchering, & they were carving it up to eat. I've been told they are doing this to dogs, they have been doing it at snyder park with the ducks & geese, as I was told that last bit by Rangers & police. Please keep a close eve on these animals.
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Lemmies LuLu @BuckeyeGirrl. Sep 5
Remember when my hometown of Springfield Ohio was all over National news for the Haitians?
I said all the ducks were disappearing from our parks?
Well, now it's your pets.
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@EndWokeness - Sep 6
Springfield is a small town in Ohio.
4 years ago, they had 60k residents.
Under Harris and Biden, 20,000 Haitian immigrants were shipped to the town.
Now ducks and pets are disappearing.
Ha also commented on other aspects of the matter:

(04:12 - 05:29) He considers that the presence of a large number of immigrants in Springfield is possibly due to the availability of jobs that do not require any qualifications, such as in abattoirs (Post #106 links to an article that states that some local businesses were interested in the relocation of immigrants to the region but the proper infrastructure was not in place, which partially corroborates with his hypothesis).

(07:45 - 08:06) He states that the perception that immigrants are to be blamed for rampant crime, traffic violations and traffic accidents in the region is due in part to demographics, as about a third of the population in Springfield is now comprised of immigrants.

(12:46 - 15:09) He also invited his Haitian-American friend Dr. Ally Simbert to speak, who reminded the general public that cats and dogs are not considered food in Haiti.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0dPRxxqs-c&t=507s
 
yoshy said:
Looks like the person may have been identified:
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Lee recently posted on Facebook about a neighbor's cat that went missing, adding that the neighbor told Lee she thought the cat was the victim of an attack by her Haitian neighbors.
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This is interesting. Cats go missing all the time and often return. So it starts with a prejudiced view of a Haitian neighbour and a random event being joined together. Quite sad.
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She didn't mean for it explode, she just wanted to be locally racist.
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Chuckles.
 
Giddierone said:
Sunday Herald-Times, 11 Oct, 1987
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I'm a bit bummed that I arrived at that news story independently, but hours after an NBC news journalist tweeted a different version of the same, and hers got 835 retweets...

Here's two others I saw about the 1981 media storm.

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Mendel said:
To be 100% clear,
• these were wild geese
• it's legal to eat them
• I eat geese now and then, the supermarket has them occasionally
• they're delicious
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100% agreement - and a happy christmas to you too! (even though I'm 15 days early)
 
Mendel said:
To jump from "this dark-skinned man is carrying two dead geese" to "he has stolen them" is a kind of racism that I had hoped the US had finally buried.
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theres a call detail report police [for a seperate incident in springfield] allegedly made that has it listed as "Larceny". (links in article below). No idea why they list it as larceny.. the caller doesnt say they killed the geese or stole them.
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A recording of a call to dispatchers in Ohio's Clark County – where Springfield is located – and a "call detail report" circulating on social media indicate that on Aug. 26 a man reported seeing four Haitian migrants taking geese. But the report doesn't say whether the geese were dead or alive or if police ever found the geese or the group of Haitians.
 
john.phil said:
Jack Posobiec
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A name 100% correlated with misinformation, in my experience, misinformation with a very predictable source...

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predictable, because:
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Jack Posobiec
In today's #vatniksoup, I'll introduce an American political activist, attention-seeker and TV presenter, Jack Posobiec (@JackPosobiec). He's best-known for his tendency to lie and spread conspiracy theories, and for his pro-Kremlin views on the Russo-Ukrainian War.
-- https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/171/
 
I'm late to the discussion, but Trump clearly said when confronted by the moderator that he saw people on TV complaining about their pets being eaten. Has anyone been able to find any TV footage of people saying that?

Is Trump simply lying here or is he delusional enough to convince himself he's seen it?
 
AmberRobot said:
I'm late to the discussion, but Trump clearly said when confronted by the moderator that he saw people on TV complaining about their pets being eaten. Has anyone been able to find any TV footage of people saying that?

Is Trump simply lying here or is he delusional enough to convince himself he's seen it?
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There's a clip of some local YouTuber/Tiktoker spreading the stories at a Springfield city council meeting, though he didn't witness anything directly: "They're in the park grabbing up ducks by their neck and cutting their head off and walking off with 'em and eating them." He also accuses city officials of personally profiting from bringing in immigrants. There's another woman who talks at the meeting denying being racist, but criticizing Haitian culture. The clips were circulating pretty heavily in right-wing social media.

And there's also Trump's running mate, J.D. Vance, who's been talking up the claims, though he admits to "creating stories" to try to draw attention to immigration. (And, again, the Haitian community of 10,000-12,000 people in Springfield came in legally, though Vance and Trump always talk about them in the same breath as illegal immigrants.)
 
jdog said:
There's a clip of some local YouTuber/Tiktoker spreading the stories at a Springfield city council meeting, though he didn't witness anything directly: "They're in the park grabbing up ducks by their neck and cutting their head off and walking off with 'em and eating them." He also accuses city officials of personally profiting from bringing in immigrants. There's another woman who talks at the meeting denying being racist, but criticizing Haitian culture. The clips were circulating pretty heavily in right-wing social media.
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Was this "on TV" for Trump to have seen? Does Trump differentiate between social media and TV?

jdog said:
And there's also Trump's running mate, J.D. Vance, who's been talking up the claims, though he admits to "creating stories" to try to draw attention to immigration. (And, again, the Haitian community of 10,000-12,000 people in Springfield came in legally, though Vance and Trump always talk about them in the same breath as illegal immigrants.)
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Was Trump referring to his own running mate when he said he saw people on TV saying their pets were being eaten? Seems unlikely.
 
jdog said:
There's a clip of some local YouTuber/Tiktoker spreading the stories at a Springfield city council meeting, though he didn't witness anything directly: "They're in the park grabbing up ducks by their neck and cutting their head off and walking off with 'em and eating them." He also accuses city officials of personally profiting from bringing in immigrants. There's another woman who talks at the meeting denying being racist, but criticizing Haitian culture. The clips were circulating pretty heavily in right-wing social media.

And there's also Trump's running mate, J.D. Vance, who's been talking up the claims, though he admits to "creating stories" to try to draw attention to immigration. (And, again, the Haitian community of 10,000-12,000 people in Springfield came in legally, though Vance and Trump always talk about them in the same breath as illegal immigrants.)
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I hate to be an old curmudgeon, but neither of the servers serving your links are prepared to serve me webpages with any useful content on them. However, I shouldn't have even needed to try because of Metabunk's "no click" policy:
"But while links are very important, they must be treated as additional references and not stand-alone content, so any content in the link that you refer to must also be in your post, quoted using "ex" tags. [...] Do not paraphrase links unless you are commenting on something you have fully quoted in context." -- https://www.metabunk.org/threads/metabunks-link-policy.5158/
 
FatPhil said:
I hate to be an old curmudgeon, but neither of the servers serving your links are prepared to serve me webpages with any useful content on them. However, I shouldn't have even needed to try because of Metabunk's "no click" policy:
"But while links are very important, they must be treated as additional references and not stand-alone content, so any content in the link that you refer to must also be in your post, quoted using "ex" tags. [...] Do not paraphrase links unless you are commenting on something you have fully quoted in context." -- https://www.metabunk.org/threads/metabunks-link-policy.5158/
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the first link is just video of the town hall meetings. you have to click it to view. jdog did quote from the video.

second link..headline can be viewed from the original source:
i added brackets for clarity
External Quote:

3:48
Dana: a story that you created, so eating the dog and cat is not accurate.

Vance: we are creating ...it comes from first hand accounts of my constituents.i say that we're creating a [media] story, meaning we're creating the American media focusing on it.

Source: https://youtu.be/si1Tbz1kbzw?t=226
 
deirdre said:
he's talking about the video recorded town meetings. maybe News nation or fox news or News Max played the videos.
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How can you know that is what he was talking about? That was not clear at all during the debate. Did he make a follow up statement indicated that was what he was referring to? I haven't seen anything indicating that.
 
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