Claim: There's an organised group of debunkers who are paid to discredit UFOs

flarkey

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NoParty

Senior Member.
I'll be honest, I'm not going to invest good time to listen to interviews of this guy...
I'll just say that the phrase (highlighted here) "an economic motivation"
is pretty weak sauce. Virtually anyone with a monetized YouTube channel can be
said to have "an economic motivation" irrespective of their true views or axe to grind.
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
What evidence can we find to confirm that this is true?
why do we have to find evidence this is true? He is a science fiction writer.

But apparently he also has the smarts to provide evidence if there was any.
Article:
Taylor, according to his LinkedIn profile, has five advanced science degrees, including a Ph.D. in optical physics and a Ph.D. in aerospace and engineering, and is “currently working on advanced propulsion concepts, very large space telescopes, space-based beamed energy systems, and next generation space launch concepts.” He has published two academic textbooks and numerous peer-reviewed papers.


Article:
currently working on advanced propulsion concepts,

I wonder if he knows the mysterious Art's Parts are radiator fins.
 
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JMartJr

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"Everybody who disagrees with me is a paid shill" is a popular meme.

And if you think about it, is not particularly relevant. If the debunk is true, the motivation for explaining it to people doesn't much matter. Accusations of "paid shill" are a lazy ad hominem attack -- if the debunk is wrong, present evidence to show that it is wrong.
 

econ41

Senior Member
"Everybody who disagrees with me is a paid shill" is a popular meme.
Yes, it seems to be generic across most Conspiracy Theory topics. I'm accused of shillery at least once per day in the couple of 9/11 forums I still follow. And I can't deny because remuneration arrangements are "Staff In Confidence".
Accusations of "paid shill" are a lazy ad hominem attack -- if the debunk is wrong, present evidence to show that it is wrong.
Yes. And most times it is also a "Projection" plus "Reversed Burden of DISproof" From a person who cannot even form a valid hypothesis supporting their claim to prima facie standard. i.e. in legal language they have no "case to answer" so there is no legitmate need for the case for the "defence". The claim should be "thrown out of court".
 

Ann K

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So, Travis Taylor, Scientific Advisor to the UAP Task Force seems to think that there's an organised group of debunkers who are paid to discredit UFOs.
?? Does that mean he thinks that only unpaid amateurs are appropriate debunkers? If they are people debunking them with facts and evidence, what does it matter if they are paid for their expertise? There is nothing suspicious or dishonorable about being paid to know what you're talking about. This sounds suspiciously like poisoning the well so that people will believe him by default, but that's not the way an honest discussion is held.
 

Rory

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So, Travis Taylor, Scientific Advisor to the UAP Task Force seems to think that there's an organised group of debunkers who are paid to discredit UFOs.

Can we get the fuller, in context quote from Taylor rather than the paraphrase with snippets from Greenstreet?
 

deirdre

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There is nothing suspicious or dishonorable about being paid to know what you're talking about.
well, i admit i am suspicious of him, Travis, as he is well paid for this ufo stuff he does.

(not suggesting Greenstreet makes alot, i never heard of Greenstreet before this thread)
 

NorCal Dave

Senior Member.
But more importantly...how much could I potentially earn per debunk? And are payments backdated?
You'd be a wealthy man my friend! Well maybe. I guess it would depend on the payment schedule. Is it a salaried position with annual bonus or piece work, where you get paid per debunk? Maybe some stock options in the secret cabal?

Seriously though, this is borderline comical. TT will appear on all kinds of fringy nonsense like AA and I doubt it's for free, but then complains that there is paid de-bunkers out there? He's almost being the pot and the kettle.

And, even if there was wealthy person out there that was spiffing Flarky and others to show that the Chilian AF UFO is just an airliner, what is possibly illegal about it? People donate to causes they believe in all the time.

If it's legitimate de-bunk, then it's a legitimate de-bunk, regardless of whether someone was paid to figure it out. TT was paid by the UAP task force to figure out that boke of drones was in fact aliens. What's the difference?

I can't figure him out. Either he is all in as a UFOlogist, or he sees where his bread is increasingly buttered and is preaching to the choir. Hard. Really, The Men in Black?
 

NorCal Dave

Senior Member.
an we get the fuller, in context quote from Taylor rather than the paraphrase with snippets from Greenstreet?
I haven't found it but haven't looked hard either. I did find this snippet on Jason Colavito's blog from Greenstreet's twitter where Dragon(?) is talking about finding out that TT was working for the UAP task force and therefore the Gov'ment the whole time he was interacting with these talking heads are in this little video. It's almost a little uncomfortable, as Dragon realizes TT has been playing both sides.

Is Dragon a code name or something or is this like a reality TV show, where everybody has a cool made-up screen name to heighten the drama?

...so it is of some interest that Ancient Aliens and Secret of Skinwalker Ranch star Travis Taylor, formerly on the government payroll studying UFOs, said during a live stream for paid members of the Skinwalker Ranch super-fans site that during his time in government employ, he used his position to provide “cover” for the ranch and prevent “Men in Black” from visiting the ranch. In short, he apparently confessed to being a double-agent actively undermining his government employer’s efforts in order to benefit a cable TV show.
Content from External Source
https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-ancient-aliens-s18e14-the-ufo-investigations

What Jason finds amusing is that as TT tries to wiggle out of this his spin is that he was protecting these 3 guys and Skinwalker ranch from the nefarious Men In Black that might be doing some illegal surveillance or something. Although he says they never actually found the MiB, just heard rumors. His rambling answer starts about :50 into the short bit.

What's more interesting is that the "they" TT refers to is once again Jay Stratton, the guy that was heading the UAP program or whatever it was. Stratton is likely referred to as Axelrod in the book Skinwalkers at the Pentagon. So, as mentioned in other threads, that report giving to congress was prepared by a big time Skinwalker Ranch alum along with TT helping him out.

Source: https://twitter.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1553049342298075138?s=20&t=qn8kzkgZB00_LGfJQaXO7w
 

deirdre

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Can we get the fuller, in context quote from Taylor rather than the paraphrase with snippets from Greenstreet?
heres the full vid on youtube.. scroll down..there is a transcript option under the three dots.

you'll like he says skeptics don't understand the scientific method (in case youve been homesick for flat earth :) )

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uh like green street for example have
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have a motivation that's more than just
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a personal motivation it's almost like
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there's an economic motivation it's like
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i mean for most of these people they're
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into this topic because they find it
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interesting or fascinating and they
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pursue it and they're willing to
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entertain very various other theories
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and pursue it intellectually honestly
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and it seems like guys like green street
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they've got an adopted point of view and
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that's the one that they want to stick
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with
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i don't want him to dominate our
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conversation but i i have similar
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feelings to what he does as a journalist

Content from External Source
@NorCal Dave what i did was click the original link in the OP twitter, and right on his page he had a youtube link
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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jR2rX1WvCI
 
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jackfrostvc

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At 4:30 in the video below , Travis says he got a Astronomy Master degree from the University of Western Sydney in Australia.
He goes on to say that as part of his thesis, he discovered 2 exoplanets
Anyone know which two planets he discovered?
It's cued up:

Source: https://youtu.be/Qkf-gFVK-Bc?t=270
 
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Mythic Suns

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"Everybody who disagrees with me is a paid shill" is a popular meme.
And one that I wish was true. If I was paid to make statements that people disagree with then I'd probably have enough money to end global poverty and still have enough spare change to live like a billionaire for the rest of my life.
 

MyMatesBrainwashed

Active Member
If such a group does exist then you have to question how good they are at doing the job they are being paid for.

Nevermind that discrediting will more likely reinforce the belief in these people.

This just ultimately wants to appeal to "they wouldn't fight it if it wasn't true" to justify their belief.

I'd be more inclined to believe the believers are funding debunkers. How does conspiracy not eat itself?
 
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