Claim: Prospector captures footage of Panther, Ballarat, Victoria, Australia 2024

ManInBlack

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This footage below was captured Ballarat, Victoria, on Sunday 28 May 2024. According to the article below a prospector captured this footage of a large black cat which according to the YouTube video is also claiming it could be a panther.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iMDKWYSIJc


After a video of a suspiciously large black 'cat' near Ballarat went viral, some locals speculate it could be the legendary Aussie black panther, while others believe it's an oversized feral cat, leaving internet users baffled.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/4214a0afb779ab91601575add21647f9

Struggling to find the location, but it would be a good start to determining the size of the cat.
 
Upon watching this, I think there are enough suspicious haloes around the cat to wonder about a composite fake, using a running housecat and a pan around an empty field. You can see it very clearly around the tail of the animal in that right-hand thumbnail still photo, so I suggest the more photo-savvy among us should first examine the video for fakery.
 
at least noone noticed the falling ufo. or we'd have to try and convince people his buddy threw [a coin?] at the cat.
(panther heads are like a pitbull vs a dashhound..that's a regular cat head.)
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i'm more incredulous he finds cool stuff everytime he goes out metal detecting. i think he's having us on. (plus if you search his FB page for "cat" he's been photoshopping kitties and leopards into his photos since at least last year :) )
hard to tell exactly if this is the same area but this one looks like a cat:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=286529647836137
 
Upon watching this, I think there are enough suspicious haloes around the cat to wonder about a composite fake, using a running housecat and a pan around an empty field. You can see it very clearly around the tail of the animal in that right-hand thumbnail still photo, so I suggest the more photo-savvy among us should first examine the video for fakery.
yea there were a few frames where the cat looked wonky to me, but a telephoto lens would pull the grain silos in close to trick us into thinking the cat is bigger. how far apart did we decide the average barb wire post is from the Calvine thread?

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Those are grain silos in the background so near wheat/barley farms, problem is Australia is vast and farms can cover a lot of space.

Not sure if private grain silos would be on OSM etc.
 
The main things for me that stick out on initial viewing are the smoothness of the tracking and the cat even if a panther just seems to be way high up out of the grass and running full speed unhindered through some tricky deep foliage.
 
The main things for me that stick out on initial viewing are the smoothness of the tracking and the cat even if a panther just seems to be way high up out of the grass and running full speed unhindered through some tricky deep foliage.
i think where the cat is is short grass. again the squished tendencies of telephoto lenses makes the cat appear "in" the tall grass. im picturing this type of thing (choose 2010 if you dont see yellow grass)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@-38....try=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDgyOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

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I'd like to see the footage at normal speed. I suspect it is shown in slow speed to make it less obvious that it is not moving like a large animal, but like a regular cat.
 
I'd like to see the footage at normal speed. I suspect it is shown in slow speed to make it less obvious that it is not moving like a large animal, but like a regular cat.
Yeah I figured that as well I am trying to work out the speed ramp to apply at the moment.

There's a new frame with the intervals every 3 and then every 4 frames in the YT video so I reckon maybe a 4 times slow down with some frame rate change as well?
 
i think where the cat is is short grass. again the squished tendencies of telephoto lenses makes the cat appear "in" the tall grass. im picturing this type of thing (choose 2010 if you dont see yellow grass)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@-38.2394365,144.1295039,3a,41.4y,116.68h,77.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1szQC6W00aWwOxh4Uw9Yc4UQ!2e0!5s20100301T000000!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDgyOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

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I am not sure, the grass in the middle of the field seems to be obscuring shrubs etc at the same/similar height as the foreground grass.
 
I am not sure, the grass in the middle of the field seems to be obscuring shrubs etc at the same/similar height as the foreground grass.
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based on the building and gazebo height id say those are trees.

ps look how cute the little pookey looks in this freeze frame i landed on. cute cute.
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I'd like to see the footage at normal speed. I suspect it is shown in slow speed to make it less obvious that it is not moving like a large animal, but like a regular cat.
The easy way is to view it on YouTube and choose from a number of speeds. I saw it once on normal, once slowed down to 1/4 speed ...which also makes it easier to see @deirdre 's UFO.
 
The easy way is to view it on YouTube and choose from a number of speeds. I saw it once on normal, once slowed down to 1/4 speed
But I'm not sure how to tell what the original correct speed is. To my eye, the 2X speed on YT playback of this video still looks a bit slow -- I admit this may be because I think the cat is small and it does not yet look like a small cat in the way it moves... we'd not have to try and guess if the poster of the video had included one play-through in un-adjusted speed!
 
I've tried 200, 300 and 400 percent and nothing looks right the leaves blow around too fast on 400.

One other thing I've been trying to look at is does the cats 'animation' repeat, there's an unevidenced claim of this in the YouTube comments but I can't really tell due to the different amounts the cat is obscured.
 
We need geolocation but I cannot find it.

What's weird is smaller grain silo places show up on Google searches and I;ve been to all the locations that could be considered near and it not them

Perhaps it's a more australian near and is within 200km or something.
 
I'm finding so many different sizes and shapes of domestic cat heads that I'm not sure comparing heads is going to work. But out of interest, I went and found a panther picture in full profile, and pasted it onto a frame from the video. Although the head seems a bit large for a panther in the video cat, what strikes me is the tail -- the panther's tail is comparatively much slimmer than the cat in the video.
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We need geolocation but I cannot find it.
it's a big ass facility to not come up in area searches! i checked a few "malt" companies (as the video has a big building next to silos.. or a seed company?) but kinda look different so far.
https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.8236085,138.5965677,3a,75y,325.2h,98.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smxVD6b7huM5hf5a8EJ__PA!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?panoid=mxVD6b7huM5hf5a8EJ__PA&cb_client=maps_sv.tactile.gps&w=203&h=100&yaw=357.867&pitch=0&thumbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDgyOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==


add: this one has railroad tracks near by too.. that might help you find it? although i dont see any track loading areas near your first find link.
 
We're seeing elements common in folklore and eyewitness testimony:

-Folklore primes expectations, which affects perception.
-Folklore protects itself. It grows in the direction of strangeness. Corrections are aggressively discounted.
-How far, how big? Size and distance are both ambiguous. If you decide on one, you decide on the other.
-Ambiguous Low Information Zone images.
-I know what I saw. No awareness or appreciation that perception is a personal experience.
-Solid citizen fallacy. The witness is a jolly good fellow, so he can't be wrong. If you question his perception, or even his opinions, you're being rude.
-More witnesses equal better evidence. But misperceiving witnesses are self-selecting. Most witnesses don't report, because they didn't misperceive.
-Ambiguous physical evidence.
-Lore never advances past the intriguing, "There's something mysterious out there," stage.

Let's look at this video from 14 years ago...


According to reports, one of the great mysteries of the Australian bush is the frequent sightings of big cats, panther-like creatures that never seem to be caught.
Lore never advances past the intriguing, "There's something mysterious out there," stage.

This mystery has deepened with urban sprawl encroaching on rural land, leading to an increase in sightings in recent years, particularly on the outskirts of Melbourne. In broad daylight, this cat-like creature was observed stalking through the bush from a safe distance, with a camera capturing its every move. These incredible pictures provide evidence that big cats may be living in the nation's forests.
How far, how big?
Ambiguous LIZ images.

Andrew Blind, who knows the sight all too well, saw something similar lurking in the bush 70 kilometers outside of Melbourne.
Solid citizen fallacy.

He described it as a big black animal, low-slung and fairly heavily built, which crossed the road and disappeared from his sight. There have been other similar sightings in the area over the past ten years. These sightings are a frequent topic of conversation in Don Valley, a community with a population of 6,000.

Other locals recount their experiences of encountering a black panther-like creature, with some claiming to have seen it retreat into the bush. For years, there have been reported sightings of big black cats in the Australian bush, often compared to a panther or puma.
More witnesses equals better evidence

While no one has ever captured one, and few have had a camera handy when these creatures have been spotted, there are numerous reports and even some video footage, such as one taken at Lake Windermere near Mudgee in New South Wales.
Ambiguous LIZ images.

Sightings span across four states, including the Yarra Valley and Gippsland regions in Victoria, the Blue Mountains in New South Wales, southeast Queensland, and even Albany in Western Australia.

According to a national big cat database started nearly eleven years ago, there have been 437 sightings so far. One witness reported a cat about 5 feet 7 inches tall, with its back up to hip height, making a spectacular leap over a guardrail 3 meters off the ground.
How far, how big?
I know what I saw.

The creature was said to be the size of a jaguar with the speed of a leopard, leaving large paw prints in soft soil near some sheds. Despite ongoing investigations and DNA analysis efforts, including some supported by governments, conclusive evidence proving the existence of these large cats remains elusive.
Ambiguous physical evidence.

Some experts suggest that these sightings could just be large feral cats, which can grow to twice the size of a typical household cat after a few generations in the wild. However, many witnesses, including experienced hunters, remain convinced that what they saw was no ordinary feral cat.
I know what I saw.
Folklore protects itself.

In 2005, a deer hunter named Kurt Angle
Solid citizen fallacy.


shot a huge creature, keeping only its 60-centimeter tail. DNA tests later revealed it was 98% likely to be a feral cat.
Ambiguous physical evidence.

Despite this, Andrew remains adamant that what he saw was not a feral cat but a fluid and stealthy creature that moved smoothly over the terrain.
I know what I saw.

Even the Premier of New South Wales called for a formal investigation of the big cats back in 2008,
Solid citizen fallacy.

saying there were too many reports of sightings to ignore the matter. The mystery continues to deepen as more sightings are reported.
More witnesses equals better evidence.
 
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Oh, and one more. The media treats it as a fluff piece.* Would a serious news piece have sound effects added in... and creative photography such as the camera moving through the grass?

*A fluff piece is a type of article or news story that is designed to be light, entertaining, and easy to read, rather than serious or deeply informative. It often focuses on human interest stories, celebrity gossip, or other topics meant to entertain or amuse rather than provide in-depth analysis or hard news. Fluff pieces are generally less critical and more upbeat, often used to balance out more serious content in media outlets. Something like the comic relief in a movie.
 
I'm finding so many different sizes and shapes of domestic cat heads that I'm not sure comparing heads is going to work. But out of interest, I went and found a panther picture in full profile, and pasted it onto a frame from the video. Although the head seems a bit large for a panther in the video cat, what strikes me is the tail -- the panther's tail is comparatively much slimmer than the cat in the video.View attachment 71175
I think that's something that can be a consistent telltale...

African Wildcat, the progenitor of our kitties... Shorter, fluffier tail is not a product of domestication. So even feral cats will also have a shorter, fluffier tail.


Leopard. Longer, short furred tail, often curled at the end.
 
@jarlrmai

fiarly confident this is the same farm. maybe the landscape can help you with location? (i dont see any hills when i look on map briefly)
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/wheat-silos-in-field-gm1440605501-480542424

photographer only says
Article:
Wheat silos in rural Victoria

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That's great work that's the closest plant to it I have seen so far. If it's the same silo complex then it existed in 2022.. But it's not on OSM
 
Here's the overpass for Silos run it with most of Victoria selected

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1Qyc

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I've checked the ones "near" Ballarat, but there's that large cluster north I've had a quick look but there's a lot of sites of course this starts to stretch the location a bit from as described, so either the location is very vague or the specific silo complex we need is not tagged on OSM, which I know is possible because there is on right in Ballarat that is not on OSM.

There might be some clever way to narrow it down in OSM, but using near warehouse is not likely to help that much.

The quickest way to check is to zoom in on a place and look to see if it has the configuration of what looks like a group of silos and then a row of 9-10? next door

Then click on a silo to bring up the GPS co-ords copy link, paste into Google maps and remove the geo:- part and it will take you right there

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Article:
Wild Cats 101: Black Cats and More on Melanism

Black coloring (melanism) in wild cats is a trait caused by genetics. These darker cats are the same species as their lighter counterparts; think of it as the difference between a brunette and a redhead. At least 14 species of wild cats can exhibit melanism

Even house cats can be black.

Wild Australian cats can be big:
Article:
In the Australian outback, the descendants of European ship cats have reverted to their wild ancestral condition and evolved to become a unique predator. After generations (cats reached most the Australian outback before human settlers did in the 1700s and 1800s) of surviving and thriving in the most inhospitable conditions in an environment they were completely foreign to and which was foreign to their own presence. Feral cats have been documented reaching 17kg on average in some areas, taking down wallabies, lambs and even koalas. They are becoming Felis Australis. The Australian Wildcat or Outback Cat. A Felid successor to Thylacoleo.

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4 foot long wild feral cat that was shot for killing lambs.

More pictures of large cats there (warning: dead/bloody).

One of these big cats can be black.

"Big and black" is the only evidence supporting the idea that the cat in the OP is a panther. It's not enough.
 
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Solid citizen fallacy.
Some of these are just appeal to (irrelevant) authority - or, as we might now frame it, "experts".
However, the prime minister example also contains the side fallacy of "the situation was investigated, therefore there must have been something real to investigate". There's probably a better name for that one.
 
We need geolocation but I cannot find it.

It is likely the "Windermere Oilseeds Pty". The aerial image fits the video very well.

The line of sights to the northern buildings, the large building partly covered by the silos and the eight southern silos with the somewhat distant ninth silo all meet at a point near the street.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/aRz7ZcCW6vgD4KrW6
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i think where the cat is is short grass. again the squished tendencies of telephoto lenses makes the cat appear "in" the tall grass. im picturing this type of thing (choose 2010 if you dont see yellow grass)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@-38.2394365,144.1295039,3a,41.4y,116.68h,77.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1szQC6W00aWwOxh4Uw9Yc4UQ!2e0!5s20100301T000000!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDgyOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

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It looks like the long grass is kangaroo grass or 'Themeda triandra', the footage was captured in Autumn, which is why it is dry, we had a longer summer this year. Kangaroo grass grows to about 1-1.5 metres over the summer. So the cat would have had to been a decent height to be seen above the dry grass.
 
It looks like the long grass is kangaroo grass or 'Themeda triandra', the footage was captured in Autumn, which is why it is dry, we had a longer summer this year. Kangaroo grass grows to about 1-1.5 metres over the summer. So the cat would have had to been a decent height to be seen above the dry grass.
it doesnt look long in february. does it all grow in one to 1 1/2 months? (genuine question, im not being sarcastic)

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