Continuing discussion from the Calvine UFO Photo- Reflection In Water Hypothesis;
It sounds more like somebody letting an underling of the Minister, or even and underling of an underling
Yes, sort of. The MoD minute is addressed to "APS/US of S(AF)"- an Assistant Private Secretary of the Under Secretary of State for the Armed Forces.
At present (don't know about 1990), a junior minister might have the assistance of a private secretary and two assistant private secretaries. They are civil servants. Description here, Wikipedia, "Private secretary", accessed 03/04/23:
"May wish to be aware" and "should be made aware" doesn't sound like a formal briefing
-I think that's an excellent observation. To me it sounds very formal, but I'm from a middle-class, southern England background.
It's in the register traditionally used by senior civil servants ("Whitehall Mandarins") and other establishment figures in the UK (but by no means all). It's arguably a type of "Officialese".
Sometimes mistaken for equivocation or indecision by other English users. It's starting to be realised that this register (sometimes mistakenly called a code, as in code-switching) may disadvantage people from working-class or immigrant backgrounds. I've known a couple of very bright Aussies who find it both hilarious and annoying- "a*s covering" and pompous.
"Civil Service World" (CSW), published by Total Politics Group, had a recurring feature "Terminological inexactitudes: handy translations of Whitehall jargon
", which (in a humorous context) printed this (accessed 03/04/23):
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The website "Understanding the Civil Service" is the work of one former civil servant. Mendel brought it to my attention, so all credit to Mendel. It has a similar feature to CSW, "Basic Mandarin", again light-hearted, but with more than a grain of truth:
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, accessed 03/04/23.
Nick Pope did work at the desk where UFO reports came to
Good point. I would hope
that someone with relevant technical expertise would be asked to look at the photos.
Do we know anything about his predecessor? (At "Secretariat (Air Staff) Sec (AS) 2a", MoD- had to look it up).
(Added later): Had a quick look at one of the pages on David Clarke's website "Dr David Clarke Folklore and Journalism",
According to three separate senior MoD sources and documents I obtained from responses to Freedom of Information requests, the photographs were indeed the subject of several expert investigations. These were carried out by the Defence Intelligence Staff, the RAF’s JARIC agency and by the Pentagon.
Dr Clarke tracked down and publicised "our" Calvine photo). David Clarke doesn't provide additional information about his MoD sources or FoI requests as far as I can see (but I might have missed it).
(Joint Air Reconnaissance Intelligence Centre) has since been subsumed into the Defence Intelligence Fusion Centre
More (mainly historical) information here at the National Collection of Aerial Photography (accessed 04/04/23),
; it has a large but almost impossible-to-browse image archive (and only goes up to 1989).
further enquiries directed at the US(AF) were deemed possible, and the US wasn't to be left unprepared in case that ussue came up.
Hey, here's an example of me misinterpreting one of your posts-
-when I first read this, I thought
you were claiming that the minute suggested the United States wasn't to be left unprepared!
For the sake of anyone new to the thread, so they don't make my daft (if temporary) error,
the "US of S (AF)" is the UK's Under Secretary of State for the Armed Forces.
(There is no "US(AF)" or "US" in the National Archive documents ref. DEFE 24/1940/1, or any reference to anything American).
I downloaded the documents from the National Archives, but I couldn't see anything different to what metabunker jackfrostvc found.
Posting "my" copies here, click to enlarge... saves us having to go back to page 2 of the thread.
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The unusual thing is that the MoD "UFO office" commented to the Daily Record
We know that the MoD (actually D/Sec (AS) 12/2) proposed lines to take if a response were required. (Copy of minute, 2nd and 3rd image above). The same minute says "The negatives have now been returned to the Scottish Daily Record."
But there's no evidence that the MoD commented about the photographs to the Daily Record- obviously a response couldn't have accompanied the negatives.
Part of the puzzle is that The Daily Record didn't run the story, and
"...no one at The Daily Record remembered the story clearly..."
"Dr David Clarke Folklore and Journalism" website accessed 04/04/23; Fortean Times
423, October 2022 article "UFO Cover-Up At Calvine" by David Clarke has the same wording.