Claim: Men in black "Threatened a hotel manager" in 2009

ParanoidSkeptic2

Active Member
This is a bigger rabbit hole than I originally thought.

First of all, this entire claim is based on a video and I think 3 or 2 witness testimonies. I am aware that witness testimonies are close to useless, I think they should be considered only for the fact that that without the testimonies this becomes a nothing burger of 21 dudes just walking in.

So, in 2012, Aerial Phenomena Investigation team (API for short) received security footage from a hotel manager named Shane Sovar. It's from a hotel in Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada called Sheraton Fallsview Hotel. The video itself is of 2 tall-ish men in black trench coats and black fedora hats walking into the hotel. The video itself is about 4 minutes long but the actual portion that is of interest is from 00:49 to 00:57. The rest of the video is just slowing and reversing of the footage and an interview with the manager, which I will transcribe here as it covers all the allegations.

Source: https://youtu.be/bcToNxPvZAE


The video of course doesn't show much, just them walking in, but what I (and other people online) found curious is that there's only a video of them walking in, no video of them walking out, no video of them walking around, no video of them before they come into the hotel, no video of them at the tourist desk which I found really odd. I seriously doubt that a hotel would only have one camera, but even then, why is there no video of them walking out?

Allegedly, when this was all unfolding back between March and July of 2012, the director, founder and investigator of API (Antonio Paris) joined discussion on Above Top Secret as people were interested about it. They asked for the full video however he kept avoiding the question saying that he cannot release it because Shane didn't want to reveal his identity, which is strange considering that in 2008 October there was an article about the UFO sighting he experienced (which is allegedly what the "Men In Black" wanted to interrogate him about):

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People started getting restless as none of their questions were being answered so they started saying that it's a hoax. Antonio got annoyed and started using ad hominem attacks and left the site. There are a lot of pages on ATS to this original discussion but thankfully one of the members highlighted key points with links

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Interestingly enough, just a few days after that was, API announced that Shane Sovar will be joining the team.

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What can be deduced from that is that Sovar has been a ufologist since an early age. This is all looking a bit weird, add onto the fact that API is a largely unknown UFO investigative organisation, makes you wonder why this long time ufologist didn't go to something like MUFON or something, I mean the actual website for API was only registered only 7 months before this entire investigation
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Furthermore, after so many people asked for Antonio to release the full footage he finally released the footage promised except that it wasn't raw as promised, it was edited and the footage actually didn't show anything new, it was the same footage, which is inaccessible now so I'm going off of what people, at the time, said, this was about a month after Sovar joined

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What a lot of people have pointed out is that this footage, which was allegedly filmed in 2008, did only come to light in 2012 around April time, which was really close to the release of men in black 3
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A user on ATS looked at the pattern/logo of the rugs and they changed between 2012 and when this was recorded, the user contacted the desk and asked when they were changed an apparenlty they were changed sometime in March 2011 which means this had been filmed sometime before that

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Some final key points to note is that when you go on the website, there is no mention of Antonio or Sovar, their earliest case is listed as November of 2012 as shown below, and all the videos and channels relating to this have been taken down, it looks like Antonio and Sovar are not associated with API anymore and they went out of their way to remove any mention of this alleged incident, you have to look quite far to find all the additional information on this which I will mention in a separate post below why I actually wanted this covered
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Anyway, what most people seem to think that these are orthodox Jews or some friends that Sovar hired to corroborate a hoax. Some even think that it may have been a prank set up by their co-workers that got out of hand. Whatever the case, people generally agree that this is a story with inconsistencies as there were many times where the story changed, and the evidence does not provide ground for the extraordinary theory. What do you guys think can be made of this? There seem to be many convinces that this is a hoax, I'm certain this is a hoax.
 

ParanoidSkeptic2

Active Member
The reason why I brought this up is because so many people use this video as "evidence" that men in black are real, there are so many articles with this in it and those awful clickbaity top tens with those red circles. Everyone takes this at face value and in order to actually find an actual analysis one has to dig deep, I think I spent about 3 hours reading through the ATS forums to find all the viable information
 

Mendel

Senior Member.
So you're saying that all I have to do to keep the UFO community busy for months is to hire two improv actors in black suits for an afternoon?

How many "Black Men" sightings have been submitted to API since then?
 

ParanoidSkeptic2

Active Member
How many "Black Men" sightings have been submitted to API since then?
None, they focused purely on UFOs after this, apparently also in their old mission statement, they said they wouldn't cover conspiracies or stuff like that so it makes on sense why they covered it.
So you're saying that all I have to do to keep the UFO community busy for months is to hire two improv actors in black suits for an afternoon?

Pretty much, that's what practically happened here.

Edit: removing redundant word
 
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deirdre

Senior Member.
Kinda impossible to debunk the claim that men in black suits threatened a hotel manager second hand. by second hand i mean.. if they were so intent on talking to the manager why didnt they come back? and why would they talk to the second hand people about government and conspiracies.. IF they were aliens.

if they were government people, and if Sovar posted some crazy government/ conspiracy stuff that sounded like a legit threat, it wouldnt be that unusual for like the FBI to check it out. But they didnt check it out. (unless i missed something in your story, it is very long). They never actually talked to Sovar, right?

My theory is his friends at the hotel knew he was into a bunch of crazy government alien stuff, saw some tall guys dressed like the mafia or fbi come in the day before and decided to freak him out with the story. I would do that to my friend. it's funny.
 

ParanoidSkeptic2

Active Member
if they were government people, and if Sovar posted some crazy government/ conspiracy stuff that sounded like a legit threat, it wouldnt be that unusual for like the FBI to check it out. But they didnt check it out. (unless i missed something in your story, it is very long). They never actually talked to Sovar, right?
Yeah, they didn't speak to him which doesn't make sense, if they were they would instead go to Sovar's personal house as that makes more sense.

My theory is his friends at the hotel knew he was into a bunch of crazy government alien stuff, saw some tall guys dressed like the mafia or fbi come in the day before and decided to freak him out with the story. I would do that to my friend. it's funny.
Yup, hit the nail on the head. Tbf, I would prank a friend like that haha.
 

ump

New Member
if they were government people, and if Sovar posted some crazy government/ conspiracy stuff that sounded like a legit threat, it wouldnt be that unusual for like the FBI to check it out. But they didnt check it out. (unless i missed something in your story, it is very long). They never actually talked to Sovar, right?

My theory is his friends at the hotel knew he was into a bunch of crazy government alien stuff, saw some tall guys dressed like the mafia or fbi come in the day before and decided to freak him out with the story. I would do that to my friend

The lack of common sense that UFOnauts show is staggering. If you were part of a secret agency responsible for covering up UFO incidents, would you actually dress as the pop culture version of yourself??? If the MIB were real then they'd be dressed in anything but black suits.

My guess is Blues Brother's cosplayers. Or old school Mormons. Or Mormons who are big Blues Brothers fans...
 

deirdre

Senior Member.
Aren't they wearing fedoras? It looks to me like they are.
the real MIB (vs the movie characters) wore fedoras. well.. thats the story of them anyway, of course all men wore fedoras back when that story started :)
 
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