Claim: Giant triangle UFO captured in Wyong, Sydney Feb 2023

[ManInBlack]

A real estate agent has claimed that a giant triangle passed within 300-500 feet of his location which was a hotel in Wyong, NSW

It was around 9.30pm when, according to Mr Watson, he watched a white, blinking light come in from the several kilometres out over the ocean, moving in a way that was "impossible to explain", before being joined by a second light.

The objects "darted around the sky" and "buzzed over the town" at incredible speed.

"They chased each other around the sky like dogs at a park," he said. "These things instantly go from standing still to the other side of the sky."

The objects came in over Tuggerah Lake from what he estimated to be around 1500 feet, then "swooped down to the ground, probably as low as 200 to 300 feet".

"They came over the top of my hotel," he said. "I could have hit them with an arrow."

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...r/news-story/b108938dfdbc6c95aeb37260fc71e6b1

Footage has been captured of the incident in February 2023 and posted to YouTube here:


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-jS83JaK9o

 

[flarkey]

Lets check the time 3 Feb 2023 at 9.30pm is 3 Feb 2023 1030am UTC/GMT

https://greenwichmeantime.com/time/to/london-sydney/

[Edit - deleted the planes because I got the date wrong.]

The Stars that he claims "form a triangle" are Aldeberan and Mars

 

[Easy Muffin]

Looks like it's the Mercure Kooindah Waters.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/kDmfNzk1CUjDb2aL8

 

[elvenwear]

I get the co-ordinates -33.28588782291114 and 151.44034496990153 for the Mercure Kooindah Waters. I match the video to the north side of the building. I make it that they are facing east. At first I thought it wasn't Taurus because at 9:30 Taurus and Mars were in the North. I thought the bright Star might be Sirius but I couldn't match a red star. I realise you must be right but perhaps the video was taken a few hours earlier and Mars was closer to the East. If this is the case, I think the video must have been taken not too long after the sun went down because they would have had to look around the corner. They couldn't have taken that shot from another location.

 

[flarkey]

I get the co-ordinates -33.28588782291114 and 151.44034496990153 for the Mercure Kooindah Waters. I match the video to the north side of the building. I make it that they are facing east. At first I thought it wasn't Taurus because at 9:30 Taurus and Mars were in the North. I thought the bright Star might be Sirius but I couldn't match a red star. I realise you must be right but perhaps the video was taken a few hours earlier and Mars was closer to the East. If this is the case, I think the video must have been taken not too long after the sun went down because they would have had to look around the corner. They couldn't have taken that shot from another location

I think the red star is Mars.

 

[JMartJr]

Just to state the obvious: the video does not contain very much of the show described in the verbal description. Nothing moves in a way that is impossible to explain, nothing darts around at incredible speed, lights do not chase each other like dogs in a dog park or instantly dart from one side of the sky to another, nothing swoops down to within a few hundred feet...

No giant triangle an acre in size with an organic appearance like snake skin appears in the video, no UFO's appearing like a "Ferris Wheel" or a giant pinwheel.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I get the co-ordinates -33.28588782291114 and 151.44034496990153 for the Mercure Kooindah Waters. I match the video to the north side of the building. I make it that they are facing east. At first I thought it wasn't Taurus because at 9:30 Taurus and Mars were in the North. I thought the bright Star might be Sirius but I couldn't match a red star. I realise you must be right but perhaps the video was taken a few hours earlier and Mars was closer to the East. If this is the case, I think the video must have been taken not too long after the sun went down because they would have had to look around the corner. They couldn't have taken that shot from another location.

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please give the link to this view

 

[flarkey]

please give the link to this view

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.28...try=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDgyOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

How sure are we that this was shot from the Mercure Kooindah Waters?

If the witness was at that place...

The info the witness gives could be a problem. Says, "excerpt shot from a hotel balcony in Wyong NSW facing South West" but says "filmed coming in from the an estimated 10 km out in the ocean. Did a race track pattern around Tuggerah Lake."

Tuggerah Lake is from NE to just east of south of this place. Facing SW, he would have been facing inland. Complicating factor is that

Wikipedia

Budgewoi Lake is a lagoon that is part of the Tuggerah Lakes,

And if we include that lagoon as part of Tuggerah Lake, the witness could have been looking just east of north.

In any case... We can't tell from that Google Map view what direction the camera is facing, because we don't know where the camera was because the architecture of the buildings may be symmetrical.

Let's assume that the witness is not giving the real compass heading and he was facing anywhere from N to S.

The best match for an astronomical body is... nothing...

Procyon is 47 degrees above the horizon. Seems too high. And where is the Moon, when the camera pans to our left?

Hadar and Rigil Kentarius in the SE have similar magnitude, so would both be visible.

So let's say the witness was facing SW and Tuggerah Lake was to his left. Which could fit his description. He's looking SW toward Sydney.

The star in the video may be Archernar. But I'm skeptical. Too bright and too low.

The bright light on the horizon is a ground light. Too bright to be an astronomical body. I suspect that the bright light in the sky, considering the camera exposure setting, is also too bright to be an astronomical body. I suspect it's a distant aircraft landing light "hovering" because it's heading along the camera's line of sight.

I think that all lights in the sky visible in this video are aircraft lights. The witness was looking toward Sydney and the sky was full of aircraft lights.

 

[Ann K]

The bright light on the horizon is a ground light. Too bright for an astronomical body.

It looks to me as if it's sort of a cupola on a roof, and the dim line slanting upwards and to the left (which I first thought might be a searchlight) is just the edge of the roof.

 

[flarkey]

I've increased the brightness on part of the video to show the similarities with the street view image.

 

[flarkey]

How sure are we that this was shot from the Mercure Kooindah Waters?

If the witness was at that place...

The info the witness gives is contradictory. Says, "excerpt shot from a hotel balcony in Wyong NSW facing South West" but says "filmed coming in from the an estimated 10 km out in the ocean. Did a race track pattern around Tuggerah Lake."

Tuggerah Lake is from NE to just east of south of this place. Facing SW, he would have been facing inland. Complicating factor is that


And if we include that lagoon as part of Tuggerah Lake, the witness could have been looking just east of north.

In any case... We can't tell from that Google Map view what direction the camera is facing, because we don't know where the camera was because the architecture of the buildings may be symmetrical.

Let's assume that the witness is not giving the real compass heading and he was facing anywhere from N to S.

The best match for an astronomical body is... nothing...

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Procyon is 47 degrees above the horizon. Seems too high. And where is the Moon, when the camera pans to our left?

Hadar and Rigil Kentarius in the SE have similar magnitude, so would both be visible.

So let's say the witness was facing SW and Tuggerah Lake was to his left. He's looking toward Sydney.

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The star may be Archernar. But I'm skeptical.

The bright light on the horizon is a ground light. Too bright for an astronomical body. I suspect that the bright light in the sky is also too bright for the camera exposure setting. I suspect it's a distant aircraft landing light "hovering" because it's heading along the camera's line of sight. It's setting up to land in Sydney.

I think that all lights in the sky visible in this video are aircraft lights.

I think the direction given by the witness is wrong, but I'm also unsure of the exact location at the hotel. Aldeberan & Mars appear to be visible near the roof to the right, but at 2130hrs they should be at roughly NNW, but Google Earth shows that the right hand side of the building (as @elvenwear suggests) is towards the East.

https://theskylive.com/planetarium?objects=sun-moon-mercury-venus-mars-jupiter-saturn-uranus-neptune-pluto&localdata=-33.86785|151.20732|Sydney+(AU)|Australia/Sydney|0&obj=sun&h=11&m=32&date=2023-02-01#ra|5.181551201561459|dec|34.503668416294325|fov|80

Yellow line shows the rough heading to the stars, very roughly East, not North.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Clark Watson has been interested in researching UFOs all his life.

Primed to see "strange things."

But on February 1, 2023, what was once a casual hobby suddenly became "very real" when he had a "mind-blowing" experience of his own.

The real estate agent, from Albury in southern NSW, was staying at a hotel in Wyong, north of Sydney, to attend a training course when he had what he claims was an "up close" and personal sighting.

It was around 9.30pm when, according to Mr Watson, he watched a white, blinking light come in from the several kilometres out over the ocean, moving in a way that was "impossible to explain", before being joined by a second light.

The objects "darted around the sky" and "buzzed over the town" at incredible speed.

What we see in the video are aircraft with white anti-collision lights. LED strobe lights.

I think the witness was confused by the strobing lights. He was "seeing" apparent motion that wasn't really there.

"They chased each other around the sky like dogs at a park," he said. "These things instantly go from standing still to the other side of the sky."

I don't think so. I think they were different objects. The apparent, instantaneous motion was an illusion.


See this case:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/bl...-with-witnesses-2021-italy.13577/#post-320539

He was also experiencing a dramatic "How far, how close" illusion. These aircraft were much farther away than he mispercieved them to be.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I think the direction given by the witness is wrong, but I'm also unsure of the exact location at the hotel. Aldeberan & Mars appear to be visible near the roof to the right, but at 2130hrs they should be at roughly NNW, but Google Earth shows that the right hand side of the building (as @elvenwear suggests) is towards the East.

https://theskylive.com/planetarium?objects=sun-moon-mercury-venus-mars-jupiter-saturn-uranus-neptune-pluto&localdata=-33.86785|151.20732|Sydney+(AU)|Australia/Sydney|0&obj=sun&h=11&m=32&date=2023-02-01#ra|5.181551201561459|dec|34.503668416294325|fov|80
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Yellow line shows the rough heading to the stars, very roughly East, not North.

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At 9:30 p.m. local time - UTC +10 - this was the situation, with a view that includes the local horizon. Mars and Aldebaran are westering and will set in the NWbW in a couple of hours.

To make Mars and Aldebaran (kind of) fit what we see in the video... we have to change the reported time from around 9:30 p.m. to around midnight and we have to change the reported direction the witness was facing from SW to NW.

We also have to accept that Mars, just above the horizon, would show up as this bright.

We have to consider: atmospheric extinction, light pollution and the camera exposure set to capture artificial lights as not overly bright.

And, I don't think the angle between these two lights is a good match to the angle between Mars and Aldebaran as they would appear with Mars on the horizon. Aldebaran should be farther to our left.

I suggest that we stop trying to fit any astronomical bodies into what we see in this video. There are none visible.

The best fit is that the witness was looking SW, as he reported. He was looking toward Sydney and all lights in the sky are aircraft. Which makes sense. The aircraft moving to our left may be heading to Newcastle (NTL) Airport roughly 40 miles to the northwest. The steady light is a landing light heading NW toward the camera and "hovering" because it is traveling along the line of sight.

I also suggest we stop trying to find the exact spot the witness was standing within the hotel. It doesn't matter.

 

[FatPhil]

I've increased the brightness on part of the video to show the similarities with the street view image.

So much of the identified location matches the architecture, certainly. However, after a quick pan around I can't see anything on streetview that resembles what appears to be the armco barriers visible at ground level in that vid.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Things chasing each other all over the car like dogs at a park?

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

Heh. The Mars Food factory is not too far away to the SW. The red ground light might be Mars after all.

 

[elvenwear]

So much of the identified location matches the architecture, certainly. However, after a quick pan around I can't see anything on streetview that resembles what appears to be the armco barriers visible at ground level in that vid.

If you are referring to this, the google earth imagery is from 2010. It may not match perfectly.

 

[jarlrmai]

That's just flaring from the light, it's not a structure

 

[elvenwear]

Heh. The Mars Food factory is not too far away to the SW. The red ground light might be Mars after all.View attachment 71237

I think the red and white objects are in the easterly direction, or maybe ESE. My reason for thinking this is that the building only has those big lamps to illuminate the driveway. They don't have those lamps elsewhere around the building. This puts the view of the two coloured objects out to sea where the light pollution would not be as bad. The only visible red star in the east at the time and date claimed would be in Scorpio, and I suspect if you could see it, you could see other stars in Scorpio.

I think the date and time given is wrong and that is what is so confusing about this one.

From the story link in the OP I get 1 February 2023 'around' 9:30 PM. I get nothing from the youtube file. Has anyone got data from elsewhere? I've tried to place Mars in the East and I cannot get a date that resembles the claimed date. I think we can rule out Venus in the East, because that could only be in the morning.

So I think the initial suspicion of Mars and a bright star is right, but without a solid date and time, it's difficult.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

If you start hunting around to find data that fits a theory, you're going to find the "right" data sooner or later. It's best to stick with what the witness said about the time and date until there's really solid evidence against it. I see no evidence at all.

One more thing. A star that bright, that low, would probably be scintillating. The light we see is steady. I'm sticking with aircraft light as the most likely explanation.

 

[Z.W. Wolf]

I think the red and white objects are in the easterly direction, or maybe ESE. My reason for thinking this is that the building only has those big lamps to illuminate the driveway.

That the lamp is bright in absolute terms but doesn't appear overwhelmingly bright in the video means to me that the exposure setting on the camera was set at a certain level. The reflected light on the underside of the roof is also muted.

It tells me that the bright light in the sky cannot be a star. It's too bright at that exposure setting.

And why would it matter anyway? The guy was looking at the aircraft with the white anti-collision lights. He does mention the steady light, but it was the strobe lights that generated the "strangeness" in this sighting.

There's no video of the later "triangle" with the snake skin. So there's no reason to look at patterns of astronomical bodies that would make a triangle in this video. Since he was looking at aircraft, there's also no real importance to which direction he was looking. Aircraft can be in any part of the sky.

 

[FatPhil]

That's just flaring from the light, it's not a structure

I'm going to need a bit more persuading. No other light has any flaring at all, but more convincing to me is the combo of this particular light not only still flaring exacty the same way even as it goes well out of shot, but also not flaring *right next* to its actual source:

I also think I see a little bit of parallax as he shifts left/right, but don't want to stake anything on that. Also, is that shadow behind the armco? It could be some kind of image processing halo artefact, I guess.

 

[elvenwear]

If you start hunting around to find data that fits a theory, you're going to find the "right" data sooner or later. It's best to stick with what the witness said about the time and date until there's really solid evidence against it. I see no evidence at all.

Good point on confirmation bias.

One more thing. A star that bright, that low, would probably be scintillating. The light we see is steady. I'm sticking with aircraft light as the most likely explanation.

You're right. I am now wondering if the lower of two lights is actually just a light from a house. Either or both of them could be a plane or a marine vessel. At 2:00 - 2:09, you can see the lights from houses in the left of the screen above the bright light. They appear quite low since the 2nd story is probably as high as a 3rd story.

And why would it matter anyway? The guy was looking at the aircraft with the white anti-collision lights. He does mention the steady light, but it was the strobe lights that generated the "strangeness" in this sighting.

At around 02:09 he refers to the 2 lights he claims are not moving as part of the event. He says 'and these guys are just hanging there.' The fact that they are described as not moving and they are very close to the wall where you would be more likely to detect movement makes me lean more toward an immobile source but I don't see the importance either way.

You are right that the only thing that really matters are the planes and that's clearly what they are.
At about 02:09-02:11 the amco appears to jump over the fence and onto the concrete. A little before that, the amco looks a lot more like it's flaring. It's angle shifts with the camera movement.

 

[jarlrmai]

I'm going to need a bit more persuading. No other light has any flaring at all, but more convincing to me is the combo of this particular light not only still flaring exacty the same way even as it goes well out of shot, but also not flaring *right next* to its actual source:

I also think I see a little bit of parallax as he shifts left/right, but don't want to stake anything on that. Also, is that shadow behind the armco? It could be some kind of image processing halo artefact, I guess.

In my view the fact that the 2 lines pass directly through the 2 bright spots on the pole and the way they come over the railing and are translucent and spread out, especially the ones going towards the bottom corner make is clear to me they are flares from the light pole lamp rather than some physical object.