Bullhead City, Arizona, Lights in the Sky

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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V00KT4PCd-0

The above video is a summary of the thread. Original first post follows.





Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@ashrose824/video/7442941613732629791?_r=1&_t=8rpS9DZeOTf
Also on Reddit:

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Date: 29th November 2024 Local time: 7:20pm

Location: Bullhead City, Arizona
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Yeah, I'm pretty confident I'm seeing an airplane here. It is perhaps more obvious in the vid than in a screen grab, so I included the 1:53 timestamp in my grab.
 
"Date: 29th November 2024 Local time: 7:20pm" - in MST translates to:
30th Nov, 2024, 0220 UTC

They are looking West from Bullhead City. There's a pretty constant stream of directly overhead traffic heading away from them. But this looks like lower altitide traffic flying towards them from the west. There's also some helicopter traffic going N/S

A lot of the lights we see are reflections. Likely from a case that covers the lens. Any bright light is creating a reflection quite close to it, just up and to the right.

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I think it's possible the lights are all on the ground. Certainly the one on the left in the wider (rotated shot)

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With street view matches, the further away something is, the smaller the error. So here we cam match the nearby houses to a degree, but the best indicator of the tops of the mountains is the Rivera city lights, which stop neatly at the Colorado river. Then there's Needles highway beyond that, where we can see moving cars.


 
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In the above, notice the red light and the smaller light to the right are on a dark line, that seems to correspond to the red road here. The blue road is Needles Hwy. Yellow area is city lights.

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This is the location of the other lights that show up on the left.

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Hmmm... you begin to convince me that my "obvious plane" in post #2 is me falling for pareidolia... Continuing to watch this thread with interest.
The problem there is that the upper hint of light is just a reflection.
 
Ashley Allen posted some daylight video, which she says confirms that the lights were not on the mountain

Source: https://x.com/ashrose824/status/1863146869461049810




However, lining up the houses seems to suggest otherwise. The viewpoint isn't a perfect match still, so the lights might be a bigh higher than this, but it still matches the "lights on a hill" hypothesis.

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"Why are these lights so bright"? That's a legitimate question.

I have a suggestion. A lot of the dirt roads in the desert have names like "Powerline Road" or "Telephone Crossing." They're utility access roads.

I can find this road on this map (actually two parallel roads), but there are no names. I suggest these are utility access roads.

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There are high-voltage transmission lines here.
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Closer. You should be able to see the towers if you look carefully.
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Could there have been a crew out there at night doing repair/maintenance work? It seems to me to be in about the right area. There would be a lot of big lights.
 
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The spot I marked may not be exactly right, but the line of towers stretches all the way to Davis Dam. This yellow line marks a portion.
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There's an access road that gets pretty twisty in places. You should be able to see the towers.
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I've found a photo from an online article: Davis Dam Substation to Mead Substation 230-kV Transmission Line Reconductor Biological and Cultural Monitoring

https://www.aztec.us/projects/davis...conductor-biological-and-cultural-monitoring/
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Imagine this scene at night.



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What I suggest is, from left to right:

Taillights of one vehicle, floodlight(s), headlights of another vehicle.


Floodlight at a worksight. This is a pipeline, but still...

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"Why are these lights so bright"? That's a legitimate question.

It's full of off-road trails. No self-respecting off roader heads out at night without some extra lights. Even this cheap one ($144) I run is good for 13K lumens:

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https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/p...0w-double-row-combo-beam-side-mount-light-bar

However, if wants to open their wallet a bit, and plenty of guys like to show off they have the biggest and best of everything travel safely at night there are other options:

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Good for quite a bit more than the budget model:

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https://www.bajadesigns.com/products/onx6-arc-led-light-bar-universal/

They can throw some serious light:

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Imagine this scene at night.

Agreed, night work on power lines would be bright. But barring an emergency, would they be out doing maintenance work on these lines on black Friday? Guys out farting around with big lights on off-road trails in the middle of a long holiday weekend seems a bit more likely. Either way, if the lights are in fact below the horizon, there are lots of non-alien answers.
 
barring an emergency, would they be out doing maintenance work on these lines on black Friday
There were a couple crews out doing maintenance/repairs on buried lines of some sort near me in the evening this past black Friday. They had bright lighting to help them see. I was driving back to my home at about 10pm and saw them. I don't know if it was the reason for the maintenance or if the maintenance was temporarily causing it, but a road intersection next to them had the traffic signals off. If there's something the power company or someone needs to fix in a time sensitive manner they'll have people working even if it's a holiday weekend.
 
It's full of off-road trails. No self-respecting off roader heads out at night without some extra lights.
That's a believable scenario. I just like to come up with alternatives.

And I do see that the headlights and the taillights seem to be moving. There's even a hint of a second pair of headlights for a few moments. It's ambiguous whether the brightest light ever moves.

I've written an email to the company that maintains these lines. Maybe I'll get a response.
 
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I just took some screenshots from this video of the one on the left. Even though these are cars or trucks on the mountain, my question is: how does it happen that the light changes to different colors?


@ashrose824
Do you know where the location from your husbands brother was ? he saw it as well right ?

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I just took some screenshots from this video of the one on the left. Even though these are cars or trucks on the mountain, my question is: how does it happen that the light changes to different colors?
Distant lights twinkle because of atmospheric distortion.
 
One thing that comes from the Bullhead City Lights is a renewed appreciation for the difficulty in getting people to recreate photos. Here's the scene we want te recreate
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We know they are stopped at the intersection, and they got out of the car.

The key indicator here is the angles of the curb. The one directly in front is nearly straight away. We can also look at the position of the two mailboxes. The closest daylight shot is this one:
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Pretty good, but if we line it up with the Curbs and nearby trees, we get
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Now the lights are in the sky. HOWEVER the city lights are also partway up the hill.

The key to lining up is to minimize the angular error. When things are close to you, moving 1 foot to the right can have a huge effect on the angles. But it will have near zero effect on more distant objects. So here, instead of lining up with the curbs and trees, line up with the houses down the road.

Unfortunately this is image is too low quality, and the houses down the road look like:
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But I was sent this image, zoomed in on those houses
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It's taken from maybe three feet to the right of the ideal spot, but that's a pretty small error in the distance.

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I lined that up using the most distant things, the ridgeline and the utility poles. Those houses are also a good match. Using the lights on the houses, I could then line up the night shot.

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From this overlay we can see that the bright cluster of city lights comes from around Hancock St
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There's a second video (actually "Part 1"):



We see the lights of Hancock st there.
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We seem to be seeing headlights and tailights on that street. At one point we seem to get some headlights that look exactly like the "UFO" lights:
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And if we look at the surrounding lights, we see thy are quite similar to the other lights on the hill.
 
Distant lights twinkle because of atmospheric distortion.
@Zag
To clarify in simple language for those that need a primer on the subject: "Twinkling" is what happens when light passes through patches of air of different densities. The light bends as it passes through each interface, but (as anyone who has played with a prism knows) light of different wavelengths bends to different degrees. So a white light that is a mixture of wavelengths can sometimes appear pink or green etc, while a more monochromatic light (say, a red light) will still look red.
 
@Zag
To clarify in simple language for those that need a primer on the subject: "Twinkling" is what happens when light passes through patches of air of different densities. The light bends as it passes through each interface, but (as anyone who has played with a prism knows) light of different wavelengths bends to different degrees. So a white light that is a mixture of wavelengths can sometimes appear pink or green etc, while a more monochromatic light (say, a red light) will still look red.
I'd add to that, you get the twinkling when there is turbulence and air moving around, and you get swirling "bits" of air passing between you and the light, with different refractive properties.
 
As others have noted, off-road LED lights can be extremely bright. For reference, to use my own vehicle setup: the light bar on my roof rack produces 85,000 lumens alone. Add to that a few smaller LEDs on the bumper and we have a total of about ~115,000 lumens with headlights. Yes, it's overkill but it does make driving through the desert at night much more enjoyable.

Re: flickering
These LED bars produce light in the ~6,000K spectrum, which is a bright bluish-white light. Lights in this range are more prone to flickering or visual distortion compared to warmer-toned red lights.

I'm not sure what time the video was recorded, but i'm guessing it was not too long after sunset since the small child in the video was still awake, probably between 8-10pm? At this time in desert environments, the atmosphere becomes increasingly unstable due to significant temperature swings. Heat absorbed by rocks during the day releases after sunset, causing turbulence in the air. This is especially pronounced over urban areas where concrete/asphalt absorb additional heat. Turbulence created from 2 air masses of different temperatures/densities would cause flickering from this distance. As a paraglider, thermal airflows are how we climb so these are dynamics we think about a lot.

Additionally, another factor that would be relevant here is katabatic airflow. Cool air flows down the mountains from higher, colder elevations after sunset. Since the colder air descending is more dense than the hot air that is rising, it sticks to the ground and pushes the warmer air up and out of its way. This effect would further exacerbate the flickering if the light source is positioned ground level on the mountainside, as it appears to be in this case.

There are other factors like prevailing valley winds, humidity, etc that would effect twinkling as well
 

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As others have noted, off-road LED lights can be extremely bright.
Often the night-time, low-traffic hours are used for road repairs, and those places are lit up like an operating theater. It's blinding if you have to drive past such an area while night work is going on.
 
I've identified this dirt road - on the left, highlighted in blue - as the eastern end of the Mojave Road. Popular and rather famous.

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It's well known enough to appear in Google Street View




If even the brightest light source can be explained as off-road vehicle lights, which I now think likely...

I think the brightest light source was somewhere near this spot at the top of the ridge...

https://earth.google.com/web/search...TbzFHSVJmaBAFOgMKATBCAggASg0I____________ARAA

Note the caravan of vehicles in this street view.

The brightest light in the video may not come from a single vehicle but from several vehicles that happened to be facing the camera. It might be a tightly packed caravan of vehicles coming over the top of the ridge, heading east. That might explain why the "single" light is so bright and why it changes shape.


The trail of lights on the left in the video, I think comes from the road about here...

https://earth.google.com/web/search...EUWY3cjJNQRAFOgMKATBCAggASg0I____________ARAA

If this is true, there seems to have been a caravan of vehicles heading downhill on that part of the road at the time.

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Approximate positions:

Red arrow - Camera
Green Arrow - Line of vehicles on the left
Orange arrow - Brightest light

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I've identified this dirt road as the eastern end of the Mojave Road. Popular and rather famous.
Very nice work. Using that info I found some videos on YouTube from the perspective of the road, both day and night. Definitely very popular.

During the day, looking down on Bullhead City:
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At night; descending with city lights visible
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Regarding lightbars, the jeep in this shot looks like this from the front
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That might explain why the "single" light changes shape, and there are different colors evident inside the blob.
In another Mojave Road vid we see this caravan with different colour lightbars. The yellow spectrum seems to match the original video.
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And let's be aware that we aren't just seeing the headlights or light bars themselves.

We're seeing the brightly lit landscape around the vehicle. A pretty big area. So the angular size of the lights can be pretty big even from miles away.
 
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