The recent segment on Joe Rogan's Question Everything (JRQE) with Brooks Agnew was supposed to demonstrate how HAARP could alter the weather.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/joe-rogan-questions-everything-weaponizing-weather.2103/
It came about because of a thread here on Metabunk.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-brooks-agnew.842/#post-45164
That thread was looking into a couple of times that Agnew had appeared on TV to show off his cloud chamber experiment, where it looked he basically made air move around by heating it up. Nothing to do with HAARP at all, but his claims were breathless repeated by Jesse Ventura, and the History Channel.
There was a brief discussion of the science (hot air) his credentials (seemed to be mail-order), and then came this post, from Agnew himself:
I asked for more details, then promptly forgot about this. But a while later, after I'd filmed my "chemtrails are contrails" piece for JRQE, the producer contacted me to ask if the demo was a go, and if they could come and film it for the show. I explained I'd forgotten about it, and they should contact Agnew directly. They did this, and a few weeks later the shoot was set up.
The shoot was at a small new-age shop called Zero Point Research (not really a lab as such, more a workshop) in Santa Monica that sold healing devices called "LifeForce Generators", which were basically just high voltage low current electric field generators in boxes. You put your hand on them and that gave you a tingling sensation, and you could touch other people and tingle or shock them.
I arrived at ZPR, and waited around for a while so Joe Rogan could interview Brooks Agnew one-on-one. This took quite a while. Eventually a producer ushered me in, and I was led into a darkened room with Joe and Brooks standing in a pool of light in front of a large glass box (around eight feet tall and three square). Joe motioned for me to stand between him and Brooks. With very little ado things began. I really had no idea what was expected of me, and felt a little nervous, as my HAARP knowledge was perhaps not the best in the world.
Joe started by asking me about the old experiment on YouTube (a segment from TrueTV). I explained that it looked like it was just heating the air, causing the water cloud to rise from convection. He asked me if I thought I replicated HAARP. I told him no, it was just a local effect, and HAARP affected the ionosphere 70 km up.
We talked a bit about what HAARP could do. I said that since it could only heat the ionosphere, then it was not going to affect the weather. Brooks disagreed, saying that HAARP heated the entire column of air above it. I know this to be false, as I'd just been reading about how it's focused in a very narrow range of altitudes, just a few hundred meters. I explained this, and then Joe asked me how HAARP did this focusing. That was the low point of the interview for me, as I did not actually know - it was something I had been trying to find out that morning. But I muddled though, saying I did not know exactly, but it was done by manipulating the frequencies.
I then started to explain the difference between effective radiating power, input power, and total radiating power (transmitter power). The input power of a transmitter is the power it actually consumes. The TRP is the power it transmits (which depends on how efficient it is, so power will be lost as heat). The effective radiating power (ERP) is a little difficult to explain. But it's basically the amount of power it can deliver in a particular direction multiplied by the number of directions. Since the HAARP beam is tightly focused, then the ratio of HAARP's actual transmitter power (3.6 Megawatts) to ERP (5.1 Gigawatts, or 5,100 Megawatts) is very high. This is very important when discussing the HAARP issue, as the two figures are often confused. Suggesting that HAARP is a 5.1 gigawatt transmitter is like saying it's blasting the entire output of a large nuclear power station into space. It's not. HAARP uses (and broadcast) a relatively small amount of power, which it actually generates on site from four 2.5 MW diesel generators (10MW potential input power, but the transmitters operate only at 45% efficiency, and additional power is subtracted for other equipment such as cooling and low level amplifiers).
All this can be very confusing, and it's this confusion that the promoters of HAARP use to help spread the myth. As it turned out though Agnew did not really seem to understand it either. I explained to him that the amount of power was really very small, so even if his experiment worked, it was not realistic to scale it up to use with HAARP, which only transmitted 3.6 Megawatts. He was using 100 watts to heat about a square foot (ignoring the depth of heating, which makes his quandary far worse). HAARP delivers only 0.00003 watts per square foot. (This calculation was something I had not done before the filming. I really wish I had). Then if we accept his assertion that the entire column of air receives heating, then that's around 300,000 feet, reducing the amount of the power per cubic foot to 0.1 nanowatts. A trillion times less power than he was using. And as it turned out, it did not even work.
Agnew tried to go with the idea that it was in the gigawatt range, but I could tell he was not really grasping the concept. After a little more of Agnew trying to claim that the entire column of air above HAARP is heated up (apparently killing all the birds and blasting clouds out of the way) we moved on to the demonstration.
The large glass box contained a small wooden table with a plastic box on top of it, and on top of that was what looked like a couple of metal shelves. The top one smaller than the lower one. The plastic box I recognized as a "Lifestream Generator" that was sold in the showroom we were currently in at Zero Point Research. When I recognized this I was glad I'd spent the time poking around the ZPR site, as I knew exactly what this was. A very simple high voltage field generator, with a couple of metal shelves sat on top of it. Nothing really that technical.
I'd read the description of the box and knew that in an attempt to keep supposedly harmful AC electricity out of the box it had first an external AC to DC converter, and then for some reason the actual box itself contained a DC motor that powered a DC generator that then powered the field generator. This whole setup would naturally put off a bit of heat.
There was also a fog generator at the top of the box, and first Agnew switched that on, the box filled with mist, and we waited for it to stabilize.
With cameras rolling, Agnew switched on the Lifestream Generator, and sure enough the fog around the device started to lift up, much like steam rising from a cup of coffee. Agnew claimed this was working. Joe said he could see it moving, but what was it? I said looks like it's just heating the air. Agnew was quite adamant that there was no heating involved. The chamber cleared of fog fairly quickly, and Agnew switched off the generator, and opened up the chamber and took out the metal shelves (his wave guide - although what it was guiding was not really clear). He handed them to me to show it was not hot. It felt around room temperature.
Then Joe asked if the box was hot. I felt it, and sure enough it was pretty hot. I reported this, and immediately it was clear that the experiment was a bust. The box was simply hot, which caused the air to rise. Agnew tried to make out that I was not that hot really, but it was actually quite a bit above room temperature, and that's all it takes for a convection current to raise the air up. "I wouldn't want to put my balls on it", said Joe.
Agnew tried again, but nothing really worked. We found that the spotlight shining on on the box from behind was heating it up even more. Then we switched to lights from the side, and moving the field generator outside the chamber. But now with all sources of heat removed nothing moved at all. There were just very slight natural convection currents in the box from the lights, but nothing that could be attributed to the metal shelf. Once Agnew saw the air moving, and gleefully said "look, it's moving over the antenna", but then he realized the device was switched off. He quickly moved on.
Agnew remained relatively cheerful through the whole thing. Constantly maintaining that the air was moving when we could see it was not, and that the box was not really hot, but if we insisted he would change it again. Eventually time ran out, and the whole thing came to an end.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/joe-rogan-questions-everything-weaponizing-weather.2103/
It came about because of a thread here on Metabunk.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-brooks-agnew.842/#post-45164
That thread was looking into a couple of times that Agnew had appeared on TV to show off his cloud chamber experiment, where it looked he basically made air move around by heating it up. Nothing to do with HAARP at all, but his claims were breathless repeated by Jesse Ventura, and the History Channel.
There was a brief discussion of the science (hot air) his credentials (seemed to be mail-order), and then came this post, from Agnew himself:
I asked for more details, then promptly forgot about this. But a while later, after I'd filmed my "chemtrails are contrails" piece for JRQE, the producer contacted me to ask if the demo was a go, and if they could come and film it for the show. I explained I'd forgotten about it, and they should contact Agnew directly. They did this, and a few weeks later the shoot was set up.
The shoot was at a small new-age shop called Zero Point Research (not really a lab as such, more a workshop) in Santa Monica that sold healing devices called "LifeForce Generators", which were basically just high voltage low current electric field generators in boxes. You put your hand on them and that gave you a tingling sensation, and you could touch other people and tingle or shock them.
I arrived at ZPR, and waited around for a while so Joe Rogan could interview Brooks Agnew one-on-one. This took quite a while. Eventually a producer ushered me in, and I was led into a darkened room with Joe and Brooks standing in a pool of light in front of a large glass box (around eight feet tall and three square). Joe motioned for me to stand between him and Brooks. With very little ado things began. I really had no idea what was expected of me, and felt a little nervous, as my HAARP knowledge was perhaps not the best in the world.
Joe started by asking me about the old experiment on YouTube (a segment from TrueTV). I explained that it looked like it was just heating the air, causing the water cloud to rise from convection. He asked me if I thought I replicated HAARP. I told him no, it was just a local effect, and HAARP affected the ionosphere 70 km up.
We talked a bit about what HAARP could do. I said that since it could only heat the ionosphere, then it was not going to affect the weather. Brooks disagreed, saying that HAARP heated the entire column of air above it. I know this to be false, as I'd just been reading about how it's focused in a very narrow range of altitudes, just a few hundred meters. I explained this, and then Joe asked me how HAARP did this focusing. That was the low point of the interview for me, as I did not actually know - it was something I had been trying to find out that morning. But I muddled though, saying I did not know exactly, but it was done by manipulating the frequencies.
I then started to explain the difference between effective radiating power, input power, and total radiating power (transmitter power). The input power of a transmitter is the power it actually consumes. The TRP is the power it transmits (which depends on how efficient it is, so power will be lost as heat). The effective radiating power (ERP) is a little difficult to explain. But it's basically the amount of power it can deliver in a particular direction multiplied by the number of directions. Since the HAARP beam is tightly focused, then the ratio of HAARP's actual transmitter power (3.6 Megawatts) to ERP (5.1 Gigawatts, or 5,100 Megawatts) is very high. This is very important when discussing the HAARP issue, as the two figures are often confused. Suggesting that HAARP is a 5.1 gigawatt transmitter is like saying it's blasting the entire output of a large nuclear power station into space. It's not. HAARP uses (and broadcast) a relatively small amount of power, which it actually generates on site from four 2.5 MW diesel generators (10MW potential input power, but the transmitters operate only at 45% efficiency, and additional power is subtracted for other equipment such as cooling and low level amplifiers).
All this can be very confusing, and it's this confusion that the promoters of HAARP use to help spread the myth. As it turned out though Agnew did not really seem to understand it either. I explained to him that the amount of power was really very small, so even if his experiment worked, it was not realistic to scale it up to use with HAARP, which only transmitted 3.6 Megawatts. He was using 100 watts to heat about a square foot (ignoring the depth of heating, which makes his quandary far worse). HAARP delivers only 0.00003 watts per square foot. (This calculation was something I had not done before the filming. I really wish I had). Then if we accept his assertion that the entire column of air receives heating, then that's around 300,000 feet, reducing the amount of the power per cubic foot to 0.1 nanowatts. A trillion times less power than he was using. And as it turned out, it did not even work.
Agnew tried to go with the idea that it was in the gigawatt range, but I could tell he was not really grasping the concept. After a little more of Agnew trying to claim that the entire column of air above HAARP is heated up (apparently killing all the birds and blasting clouds out of the way) we moved on to the demonstration.
The large glass box contained a small wooden table with a plastic box on top of it, and on top of that was what looked like a couple of metal shelves. The top one smaller than the lower one. The plastic box I recognized as a "Lifestream Generator" that was sold in the showroom we were currently in at Zero Point Research. When I recognized this I was glad I'd spent the time poking around the ZPR site, as I knew exactly what this was. A very simple high voltage field generator, with a couple of metal shelves sat on top of it. Nothing really that technical.
I'd read the description of the box and knew that in an attempt to keep supposedly harmful AC electricity out of the box it had first an external AC to DC converter, and then for some reason the actual box itself contained a DC motor that powered a DC generator that then powered the field generator. This whole setup would naturally put off a bit of heat.
There was also a fog generator at the top of the box, and first Agnew switched that on, the box filled with mist, and we waited for it to stabilize.
With cameras rolling, Agnew switched on the Lifestream Generator, and sure enough the fog around the device started to lift up, much like steam rising from a cup of coffee. Agnew claimed this was working. Joe said he could see it moving, but what was it? I said looks like it's just heating the air. Agnew was quite adamant that there was no heating involved. The chamber cleared of fog fairly quickly, and Agnew switched off the generator, and opened up the chamber and took out the metal shelves (his wave guide - although what it was guiding was not really clear). He handed them to me to show it was not hot. It felt around room temperature.
Then Joe asked if the box was hot. I felt it, and sure enough it was pretty hot. I reported this, and immediately it was clear that the experiment was a bust. The box was simply hot, which caused the air to rise. Agnew tried to make out that I was not that hot really, but it was actually quite a bit above room temperature, and that's all it takes for a convection current to raise the air up. "I wouldn't want to put my balls on it", said Joe.
Agnew tried again, but nothing really worked. We found that the spotlight shining on on the box from behind was heating it up even more. Then we switched to lights from the side, and moving the field generator outside the chamber. But now with all sources of heat removed nothing moved at all. There were just very slight natural convection currents in the box from the lights, but nothing that could be attributed to the metal shelf. Once Agnew saw the air moving, and gleefully said "look, it's moving over the antenna", but then he realized the device was switched off. He quickly moved on.
Agnew remained relatively cheerful through the whole thing. Constantly maintaining that the air was moving when we could see it was not, and that the box was not really hot, but if we insisted he would change it again. Eventually time ran out, and the whole thing came to an end.
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