Bill Cooper Debunks Chemtrails (Vintage Audio)

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Here are two archive.org audio files from March 23,1999. In the first hour I am interviewed and discuss chemtrails with Bill Cooper, the second hour he takes callers. To my knowledge, these are the first instances where chemtrails were debunked on radio. The broadcast was via shortwave radio.

I have tried to download these mp3 files, and for some reason they only play partially after downloading. If anyone knows how to get a usable download, please let me know how to do this.

Hour 1 March 23, 1999:
http://web.archive.org/web/20121026202216/http://www.hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/1573A.mp3

Hour 2 March, 1999:
http://web.archive.org/web/20121026084516/http://www.hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/1573B.mp3

Bill was very intolerant of BS and if he had continued to be involved in the issue it's likely that he could have nipped it before it gained much momentum.
 
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George B

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Here are two archive.org audio files from March 23,1999. In the first hour I am interviewed and discuss chemtrails with Bill Cooper, the second hour he takes callers. To my knowledge, these are the first instances where chemtrails were debunked on radio. The broadcast was via shortwave radio.

I have tried to download these mp3 files, and for some reason they only play partially after downloading. If anyone knows how to get a usable download, please let me know how to do this.

Hour 1 March 23, 1999:
http://web.archive.org/web/20121026202216/http://www.hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/1573A.mp3

Hour 2 March, 1999:
http://web.archive.org/web/20121026084516/http://www.hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/1573B.mp3

Bill was very intolerant of BS and if he had continued to be involved in the issue it's likely that he could have nipped it before it gained much momentum.
You seem to be a Bill Cooper fan . . . do you support his position on ET contact with the US Government via DoD back engineering, Majestic 12, etc. . . . ?
 

mrfintoil

Senior Member.
(No problem playing all two hours of the show)

Might listen to them in detail later on. Interesting with such old debunking stuff.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
You seem to be a Bill Cooper fan . . . do you support his position on ET contact with the US Government via DoD back engineering, Majestic 12, etc. . . . ?
There is lots of talk about what Bill had to say about that, then there is what he really said. He changed his mind about some things. Bill never asked for my support for his ideas, and I never gave any. We argued about quite a few things and there were some distinct differences of opinions. He truly wanted everybody to make up their own minds about stuff. He told me that he had come to the conclusion that the documents he said he saw while in the Navy were probably a deception, maybe for future use, maybe for covering up special ops, and maybe disinfo for the Russians, etc. He did sayhe saw some UFO's. I followed UFO's as a child/young teen, but in my whole life have never found anything substantial in it. Chemtrails had real substance, and he asked me to learn everything I could about it and tell others.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
(No problem playing all two hours of the show).
Yeah, I can play the file via archive.org, but can't download and import the files into Windows Movie Maker to play through. The file details say it was coded on itunes, which I don't use. Maybe that's the trouble? I'd like to make a youtube video of this.
 

George B

Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
There is lots of talk about what Bill had to say about that, then there is what he really said. He changed his mind about some things. Bill never asked for my support for his ideas, and I never gave any. We argued about quite a few things and there were some distinct differences of opinions. He truly wanted everybody to make up their own minds about stuff. He told me that he had come to the conclusion that the documents he said he saw while in the Navy were probably a deception, maybe for future use, maybe for covering up special ops, and maybe disinfo for the Russians, etc. He did sayhe saw some UFO's. I followed UFO's as a child/young teen, but in my whole life have never found anything substantial in it. Chemtrails had real substance, and he asked me to learn everything I could about it and tell others.
I have wondered myself . . . I trust he did see something . . . planted for disinformation or not it indicates that some powerful people felt it would be accepted at many levels as credible . . . or cover for some rather incredible technology hidden from the general public . . .
 

George B

Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
Bill would have asked you not to do that.
I am talking about the documents not UFOs. . . there were documents received by people later that supported his assertions whether they were fraud or not is of course up for debate . . . I tend to believe he saw something . . .
 
Wow, awesome. Cool that he actually is willing to discuss this, not sure Alex Jones would without screaming and getting mad. Will have a listen tonight, thanks for the share
 

mrfintoil

Senior Member.
Jay, I'm curious to know more about the origins of the modern "chemtrail" myth. I know there have been various cases of mass hysteria surrounding contrails during the cold war, that some suspected contrails being chemical warfare from the Soviets, but I have got the impression that somewhere around late 90s this notion took new dimensions, except that the culprit was changed to the US government, or "them". But can it all be traced back to an actual attempt to scam paranoid people into buying products that are said to cure the symptoms of alleged conspiracy?

You mention Richard Sacks in that broadcast, was he one of the front runners of this scam? I still see fresh articles under that name on geoengineeringwatch.org, crazy if the same guy is still going at it.
 

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Jay Reynolds

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Jay, I'm curious to know more about the origins of the modern "chemtrail" myth. I know there have been various cases of mass hysteria surrounding contrails during the cold war, that some suspected contrails being chemical warfare from the Soviets, but I have got the impression that somewhere around late 90s this notion took new dimensions, except that the culprit was changed to the US government, or "them". But can it all be traced back to an actual attempt to scam paranoid people into buying products that are said to cure the symptoms of alleged conspiracy?

You mention Richard Sacks in that broadcast, was he one of the front runners of this scam? I still see fresh articles under that name on geoengineeringwatch.org, crazy if the same guy is still going at it.
I don't know much about Richard Sacks, except that among the Wigington group he is the most extreme and the most likely to be involved with something dangerous. In the broadcast I probably said Richard Finke, who I credit with starting the hoax. He passed away a couple of years ago.

In 2000, I did some checking into the origins of the chemtrails hoax and this is what I found:
http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/evolution.html

As you heard in the broadcast, and I quote on the above link, when I asked him about details of the original email, he tried to end the questions by concocting a story:

"AJ, in response to your journalistic inquiry concerning 'heavy
contrails' I am taking the liberty of forwarding to you some e-mailing
on the subject. The analysis of the sprayed cocktail of JP-8 and EDB
was reportedly done by one particular lab here in Ohio. The info
sources are reputedable but there was a strong denial by the lab
itself. Interestingly the lab does a lot of business with governmental
agencies. Their contract losses would be significant to a lot of people
whose livelihoods depend on them. There was also the threat of legal
litigation. Thus I vouch for the veracity of the report's scientific
info but must remain silent concerning the lab itself. Please
understand and cooperate. In this regard it is helpful to me that the
reported phone number and name of the lab are not accurate. Also, there
were about seven men who died nastily getting this information out.
Accordingly we must comport ourselves respectfully, respectfully of
those men and ourselves.
I hope this answers to your inquiry, Thank you, /s/Ric"

Finke spent almost all of his life in a wheelchair, afflicted with arthritis. As a child, he was an "Easter Seals" poster boy in his area.

Richard Finke 1963.jpg

I think Finke was a mild mannered socially awkward guy easily influenced by his association with Larry Wayne Harris to concoct the story, and the other founders I cite all pointed fingers at Harris when asked.

From that point, the meme progressed with contributions by others.

It might interest some to see one of the very first chemtrail websites, dates back to May 1999, when the term "chemtrails" had just been coined:
http://strangehaze.freeservers.com/

Lots of links there which are dead, but which might be archive at the Internet Archive.org

This is perhaps one of the first message boards related to chemtrails:
https://web.archive.org/web/2000112...wBoard&Board=free&Idle=&Sort=&Order=&Session=
 
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Analyst

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Yeah, I can play the file via archive.org, but can't download and import the files into Windows Movie Maker to play through. The file details say it was coded on itunes, which I don't use. Maybe that's the trouble? I'd like to make a youtube video of this.
The first part downloads OK (62min). I suspect that the very low bitrate etc is probably throwing out the software you are trying to import it in to. It will probably worth converting them up to a more standard/constant bitrate etc.
 
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