Apple iPhone 5s Illuminati/NWO/conspiracy theories.

[Brainiachick]

iPhone 5s finger scanning feature has sent a lot of conspiracy theorists agog with conspiracy theories. Chief of which is how this is yet another step towards the new world order. A website even went the extra mile of stating that iPhone can be spelt eye-Phone; and that Siri in reverse is Iris...and I thought so what? Until they desperately began to compare this 'Iris' to 'Isis' payment system and concluded that the Isis payment system is of course the Illuminati chip mark of the beast payment system.

Where is the truth in all of this or am I missing something?

For starters, the finger scanning feature of the iPhone 5s is optional, so one need not use it if they don't want to. This was designed mainly for handset safety so that thieves gain absolutely no benefit from stealing your iPhone! I lost my phone yesterday evening on my way from a very stressful court hearing in London at the famously busy London Waterloo Station - the Police officers that drove me to court were kind enough to take me to the station even though they weren't obliged to and I knew that my only chance of getting that phone back would be if I had dropped it in the patrol car. Anything short of that, I knew that phone was gone for good as it is iPhone 5 but not the iPhone 5s. Luckily, a good Samaritan had found it and returned it to the ticketing desk! I had absolutely no security on that phone and the finder could have kept it with absolutely no consequences, so was I relieved? Whilst I would be reticent to place my finger print on anything, I do not believe that iPhone 5s finger scanning feature is an Illuminati/NWO order conspiracy, but it would of course be nice to hear the various angles to these claims.

 

[Freak]

I'd tell you my views about the people that come up with this stuff, but I'm fairly certain it would violate the politeness policy...

Do you have any links to these theories? I'd love to show them to my Apple loving friend.

 

[Brainiachick]

There is one from a website called the illuminatiwatch which included some rambles about Apple's icon of a bitten apple. And a rather weird video of iPhone 5-NSA; I guess as a spoof for NSA spying on people....

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/?p=8298

There are others. I will post them when next I have some free time. But please do feel free to give us your views and of course staying within the confines of the politeness policy .

 

[ColtCabana]

If I ever become a celebrity, I'm flashing alleged Illuminati handsigns and what not, just to infuriate the conspiracy theorists.

 

[Alhazred The Sane]

The NWO are losing their touch. All we have to do to foil their dastardly plans is use Samsung, or whatever else isn't an i5. Yay! I'm safe!!!

 

[Brainiachick]

Well, it didn't make sense to me. It is not like everyone is being forcefully conscripted into buying and using iPhones and the finger scanning feature. Though I admit I agree that it is only a matter of time that most phones will come with that feature, it still does not mean anyone who doesn't want to use it will be forced to use. I don't know what they'll have to say about Blackberry going out of business has to do with these, but I won't be surprised if they weave a fantasy into that as well.

 

[Brainiachick]

The NWO are losing their touch. All we have to do to foil their dastardly plans is use Samsung, or whatever else isn't an i5. Yay! I'm safe!!!

So what will happen when Samsung and the rest follow suit with the finger scan feature ???

 

[Grieves]

For starters, the finger scanning feature of the iPhone 5s is optional, so one need not use it if they don't want to.

Using the scanner as a password is optional. Has apple given any guarantee that, if the thumb-pass is disabled, the device never records your thumb-print?

Whilst I would be reticent to place my finger print on anything, I do not believe that iPhone 5s finger scanning feature is an Illuminati/NWO order conspiracy, but it would of course be nice to hear the various angles to these claims.

Well, stripping it of any 'occult' associations, fingerprinting is the go-to method for creating a database of identifiable individuals, traditionally individuals who have committed crimes. Apple has a pretty well documented penchant for harvesting information of any and all sorts about its customers. It's not a stretch to suspect their data-mining might extend to the thumb-print scan. Private corporation gathering it's own database of fingerprints, even if they haven't the faintest solid notion as to why they're doing it (as they claimed was the case when it was discovered the google-maps trucks were data-mining wireless connections they passed by) is a rather creepy concept.

 

[EpsilonVonVehron]

I've had a Dell laptop with fingerprint scanning as an optional log in for the last 5 years or so. Not sure how similar the iPhone version is but on the Dell you need to first register your fingerprint by scanning it a couple of times to confirm that the scan is correct. If Apple were to be data mining for fingerprints they would need to be sure that the person using the phone is the registered user, not sure how they could pull that off. I would suggest that to initiate a finger scan you would have to follow a specific procedure, ie place the specified finger on a specific location, not just by random finger placements during normal use.

 

[Alhazred The Sane]

So what will happen when Samsung and the rest follow suit with the finger scan feature ???

As has been previously pointed out, this feature is optional. As to what happens if Samsung et al follow suit, we'll have to see. So far no other manufacturer seems to be inclined. I expect they're waiting to see whether the idea is one that consumers go for before making a decision.

 

[Alhazred The Sane]

I'm guessing that the fingerprint scanner isn't going to be as big a selling point as Apple anticipated - it's already been hacked, just two days after it appeared:

http://www.spiegel.de/international...mises-iphone-fingerprint-sensor-a-923910.html

 

[Freak]

Meh... I'm not an apple fan, but I honestly don't really see the big deal with this. Good finger prints aren't all that easy to get, and it sounds like the phone needs a pretty decent one to hack into it. Besides, someone would have to make a deliberate effort to get a print in order to do this. An average thief probably isn't going to go through all the trouble to try and get a print, and someone finding a lost phone certainly isn't going to have a good one. It's unlikely they'd even know who's to look for (assuming they even knew how to actualy do this).

 

[Brainiachick]

I've had a Dell laptop with fingerprint scanning as an optional log in for the last 5 years or so. Not sure how similar the iPhone version is but on the Dell you need to first register your fingerprint by scanning it a couple of times to confirm that the scan is correct. If Apple were to be data mining for fingerprints they would need to be sure that the person using the phone is the registered user, not sure how they could pull that off. I would suggest that to initiate a finger scan you would have to follow a specific procedure, ie place the specified finger on a specific location, not just by random finger placements during normal use.

That's correct. You have to place the finger on the depressed button at the centre bottom of the screen about 3 times just to register the print. After that, it would recognise and respond to only that fingerprint. You Dell sounds pretty much similar to that. So Dell could sue Apple for copying them ?

 

[Brainiachick]

I'm guessing that the fingerprint scanner isn't going to be as big a selling point as Apple anticipated - it's already been hacked, just two days after it appeared:

http://www.spiegel.de/international...mises-iphone-fingerprint-sensor-a-923910.html

Probably not. The hackers often work overtime....just waiting to pounce! That didn't take very long.

 

[Soulfly]

The government already has most American's (at least those 16 and older) thumbprints. They obtained it when they get their drivers license. Or a passport.

 

[Naz]

Im from the UK, we only get taken when we get criminalised fortunately -_-

 

[Soulfly]

Im from the UK, we only get taken when we get criminalised fortunately -_-

Do you have any evidence to lead you to believe the U.K. government is in cahoots with Apple to obtain everyone's fingerprints? Or are you just going down a slippery slope?

This site isn't really the place to post to post opinions. Please review the posting guidelines.

 

[Pete Tar]

how long do you think before they get hold of all these fingerprints under the excuse of seeking out terrorists? I know people will say what have you got to hide? but its the idea of some 'body' having your civil liberty stripped from you suddenly and you frankly cant say or do shit about it because they have and know everything about you.

What would them having your fingerprints allow them to do though? They have your face (photo id) and that's pretty unique to you, how do fingerprints change things fundamentally?

 

[Naz]

Do you have any evidence to lead you to believe the U.K. government is in cahoots with Apple to obtain everyone's fingerprints? Or are you just going down a slippery slope?

This site isn't really the place to post to post opinions. Please review the posting guidelines.

I actually dont have evidence to support this and i didnt know im not allowed to post my opinion or theory on here. To be honest its a conspiracy theory! -_-

 

[Naz]

What would them having your fingerprints allow them to do though? They have your face (photo id) and that's pretty unique to you, how do fingerprints change things fundamentally?

you can change your appearance i suppose, ive never heard of anyone changing there fingerprint

 

[Hevach]

I'm guessing that the fingerprint scanner isn't going to be as big a selling point as Apple anticipated - it's already been hacked, just two days after it appeared:
http://www.spiegel.de/international...mises-iphone-fingerprint-sensor-a-923910.html

I'm actually surprised it took two days, considering they used the same basic method that's been shown to bypass the finger print scanners on some high end HP and Toshiba laptops (of course, for those you don't need to go James Bond to get in, use a password bypass boot disk to blank the password and the scanner won't even challenge you anymore).

 

[Soulfly]

I actually dont have evidence to support this and i didnt know im not allowed to post my opinion or theory on here. To be honest its a conspiracy theory! -_-

You are allowed to post theory but only with supporting evidence. Opinions are an after thought on what you think about the supporting evidence.

The OP doesn't really meet the posting guidelines if you ask me.

 

[Pete Tar]

But still - what does them having a record of a unique identifier really mean for your personal freedom - how would it compromise your liberty in real terms?
(well apart from your fingerprints being replicated and planted at crimes scenes by malicious people or something weird like that)
What about dental records, they're unique. Would it matter if they were collected in a huge database? What would 'they' do with them?

 

[Mick West]

You are allowed to post theory but only with supporting evidence. Opinions are an after thought on what you think about the supporting evidence.

The OP doesn't really meet the posting guidelines if you ask me.

Should have caught that last year

 

[Svartbjørn]

Here's a few things to know about biometrics that will probably allay people's fears about what Apple and Samsung (yes Samsung has the option now) of doing with the fingerprint scans.

High end biometric scanners store an actual scan of the print or prints in a database, which require a fairly large hard drive:

A fingerprint sensor is an electronic device used to capture a digital image of the fingerprint pattern. The captured image is called a live scan. This live scan is digitally processed to create a biometric template (a collection of extracted features) which is stored and used for matching. This is an overview of some of the more commonly used fingerprint sensor technologies.

Optical[edit]
Optical fingerprint imaging involves capturing a digital image of the print using visible light. This type of sensor is, in essence, a specialized digital camera. The top layer of the sensor, where the finger is placed, is known as the touch surface. Beneath this layer is a light-emitting phosphor layer which illuminates the surface of the finger. The light reflected from the finger passes through the phosphor layer to an array of solid state pixels (a charge-coupled device) which captures a visual image of the fingerprint. A scratched or dirty touch surface can cause a bad image of the fingerprint. A disadvantage of this type of sensor is the fact that the imaging capabilities are affected by the quality of skin on the finger. For instance, a dirty or marked finger is difficult to image properly. Also, it is possible for an individual to erode the outer layer of skin on the fingertips to the point where the fingerprint is no longer visible. It can also be easily fooled by an image of a fingerprint if not coupled with a "live finger" detector. However, unlike capacitive sensors, this sensor technology is not susceptible to electrostatic discharge damage.[4]

Fingerprints can be read from a distance.[1]

Ultrasonic[edit]
Ultrasonic sensors make use of the principles of medical ultrasonography in order to create visual images of the fingerprint. Unlike optical imaging, ultrasonic sensors use very high frequency sound waves to penetrate the epidermal layer of skin. The sound waves are generated using piezoelectric transducers and reflected energy is also measured using piezoelectric materials. Since the dermal skin layer exhibits the same characteristic pattern of the fingerprint, the reflected wave measurements can be used to form an image of the fingerprint. This eliminates the need for clean, undamaged epidermal skin and a clean sensing surface.[5]

Capacitance[edit]
Capacitance sensors use principles associated with capacitance in order to form fingerprint images. In this method of imaging, the sensor array pixels each act as one plate of a parallel-plate capacitor, the dermal layer (which is electrically conductive) acts as the other plate, and the non-conductive epidermal layer acts as a dielectric.

Passive capacitance[edit]
A passive capacitance sensor use the principle outlined above to form an image of the fingerprint patterns on the dermal layer of skin. Each sensor pixel is used to measure the capacitance at that point of the array. The capacitance varies between the ridges and valleys of the fingerprint due to the fact that the volume between the dermal layer and sensing element in valleys contains an air gap. The dielectric constant of the epidermis and the area of the sensing element are known values. The measured capacitance values are then used to distinguish between fingerprint ridges and valleys.[6]

Active capacitance[edit]
Active capacitance sensors use a charging cycle to apply a voltage to the skin before measurement takes place. The application of voltage charges the effective capacitor. The electric field between the finger and sensor follows the pattern of the ridges in the dermal skin layer. On the discharge cycle, the voltage across the dermal layer and sensing element is compared against a reference voltage in order to calculate the capacitance. The distance values are then calculated mathematically, and used to form an image of the fingerprint.[7] Active capacitance sensors measure the ridge patterns of the dermal layer like the ultrasonicmethod. Again, this eliminates the need for clean, undamaged epidermal skin and a clean sensing surface.[7]

Algorithms[edit]
Matching algorithms are used to compare previously stored templates of fingerprints against candidate fingerprints for authentication purposes. In order to do this either the original image must be directly compared with the candidate image or certain features must be compared.[8]

Pattern-based (or image-based) algorithms[edit]
Pattern based algorithms compare the basic fingerprint patterns (arch, whorl, and loop) between a previously stored template and a candidate fingerprint. This requires that the images be aligned in the same orientation. To do this, the algorithm finds a central point in the fingerprint image and centers on that. In a pattern-based algorithm, the template contains the type, size, and orientation of patterns within the aligned fingerprint image. The candidate fingerprint image is graphically compared with the template to determine the degree to which they match.[9]

I dont normally like using wikipedia but the information above is accurate, all in one place, and not an advertisement for a specific company.

Now... systems like smartphones dont have the fidelity, hard drive capacity, or technology to actually store your fingerprint. Instead they use a system that converts specific patterns to either an algorithm or binary code which then can not be used to reproduce a finger print in any way shape or form. Similar to this:

How Does a Fingerprint Optical Scanner Work?
A fingerprint scanner system has two basic jobs -- it needs to get an image of your finger, and it needs to determine whether the pattern of ridges and valleys in this image matches the pattern of ridges and valleys in pre-scanned images.

Only specific characteristics, which are unique to every fingerprint, are filtered and saved as an encrypted biometric key or mathematical representation. No image of a fingerprint is ever saved, only a series of numbers (a binary code), which is used for verification. The algorithm cannot be reconverted to an image, so no one can duplicate your fingerprints.

obtained from this website which sells fingerprint time clocks.

Im a bit of a technophile, so I apologize if my geek is showing. The point is, while we may eventually get to a point where the technology exists that we can have super cool fingerprint scanners on phones and car doors like you see in 007 movies, or your favorite spy thriller movie/novel, we're not there yet... and probably WONT be for another decade or two at the least. Until we do reach that point, people that are worried about the NWO/Illuminati/"them"/"they"/ and the other evil super villains of the world can rest easy for a while longer.

These gadgets are just that.. gadgets.. smoke and mirrors to make people feel "safer" about their phones not being stolen and used by people who'll just run their phone bill up to a gajillion dollars calling their long lost uncle in Uganda who has information about a cousin who died recently and passed on their fortune to them, for a mere tidy sum of 5000 dollars to process the inheritance fee.

 

[Miles Bloomer]

iPhone 5s finger scanning feature has sent a lot of conspiracy theorists agog with conspiracy theories. Chief of which is how this is yet another step towards the new world order. A website even went the extra mile of stating that iPhone can be spelt eye-Phone; and that Siri in reverse is Iris...and I thought so what? Until they desperately began to compare this 'Iris' to 'Isis' payment system and concluded that the Isis payment system is of course the Illuminati chip mark of the beast payment system.

Where is the truth in all of this or am I missing something?

For starters, the finger scanning feature of the iPhone 5s is optional, so one need not use it if they don't want to. This was designed mainly for handset safety so that thieves gain absolutely no benefit from stealing your iPhone! I lost my phone yesterday evening on my way from a very stressful court hearing in London at the famously busy London Waterloo Station - the Police officers that drove me to court were kind enough to take me to the station even though they weren't obliged to and I knew that my only chance of getting that phone back would be if I had dropped it in the patrol car. Anything short of that, I knew that phone was gone for good as it is iPhone 5 but not the iPhone 5s. Luckily, a good Samaritan had found it and returned it to the ticketing desk! I had absolutely no security on that phone and the finder could have kept it with absolutely no consequences, so was I relieved? Whilst I would be reticent to place my finger print on anything, I do not believe that iPhone 5s finger scanning feature is an Illuminati/NWO order conspiracy, but it would of course be nice to hear the various angles to these claims.

It is indeed optional. Biometric systems are really not all that uncommon in this day and age, but conspiracy theorists will make a fuss about anything.

I'm not entirely certain as to how the ''Illuminati'' (a long-defunct scientific society that was founded by in Adam Weishaupt, with the aid of Baron von Knigge 1776) correlates to a ''new world order'', but I do not find an optional security device to be sinister, regardless of what conspiracy theorists are tying it with. The iPhone's screen operates on tactile sensor technology - your fingers aren't exactly a flat surface, so the sensitive tactile sensor picks up the crevices in your finger(s), resolving your fingerprint in the same way that the ink-on-paper method does. It cannot ''record'' your DNA, for example.

Are they also demonizing biometric-enabled printing systems?
http://www.ait.co.uk/print-manageme...elease-pull-printing/biometric-secure-release

 

[Brainiachick]

Are they also demonizing biometric-enabled printing systems?
http://www.ait.co.uk/print-manageme...elease-pull-printing/biometric-secure-release

It won't be surprising if they are demonising that as well.

 

[vooke]

I can certainly help CTers;
SIRI in Swahili means a secret or secretive

 

[Efftup]

although apparently in Norwegian it means "beautiful woman who leads you to victory".
a former CEO came up with some reasons behind the name but I suspect they are all bullshit as the softwware ORIGINATED from the Stanford Research Institute or SRI. I suspect that Siri is the nearest easy to pronounce word to SRI.

At least we know why Microsoft's is called Cortana

 

[Gridlock]

It's actually a fascinating and very well-thought-through system, and the fingerprint data never leaves your device.

http://images.apple.com/iphone/business/docs/iOS_Security_Feb14.pdf

 

[NoParty]

although apparently in Norwegian it means "beautiful woman who leads you to victory".

Although apparently in Cupertino it means "beautiful woman who leads you to Harlem"
when you ask for the closest "Harley" dealer...