Apple iPhone 5s Illuminati/NWO/conspiracy theories.

Brainiachick

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iPhone 5s finger scanning feature has sent a lot of conspiracy theorists agog with conspiracy theories. Chief of which is how this is yet another step towards the new world order. A website even went the extra mile of stating that iPhone can be spelt eye-Phone; and that Siri in reverse is Iris...and I thought so what? Until they desperately began to compare this 'Iris' to 'Isis' payment system and concluded that the Isis payment system is of course the Illuminati chip mark of the beast payment system.

Where is the truth in all of this or am I missing something?

For starters, the finger scanning feature of the iPhone 5s is optional, so one need not use it if they don't want to. This was designed mainly for handset safety so that thieves gain absolutely no benefit from stealing your iPhone! I lost my phone yesterday evening on my way from a very stressful court hearing in London at the famously busy London Waterloo Station - the Police officers that drove me to court were kind enough to take me to the station even though they weren't obliged to and I knew that my only chance of getting that phone back would be if I had dropped it in the patrol car. Anything short of that, I knew that phone was gone for good as it is iPhone 5 but not the iPhone 5s. Luckily, a good Samaritan had found it and returned it to the ticketing desk! I had absolutely no security on that phone and the finder could have kept it with absolutely no consequences, so was I relieved? Whilst I would be reticent to place my finger print on anything, I do not believe that iPhone 5s finger scanning feature is an Illuminati/NWO order conspiracy, but it would of course be nice to hear the various angles to these claims.
 
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Freak

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I'd tell you my views about the people that come up with this stuff, but I'm fairly certain it would violate the politeness policy... :D

Do you have any links to these theories? I'd love to show them to my Apple loving friend.
 

Brainiachick

Active Member
There is one from a website called the illuminatiwatch which included some rambles about Apple's icon of a bitten apple. And a rather weird video of iPhone 5-NSA; I guess as a spoof for NSA spying on people....

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/?p=8298

There are others. I will post them when next I have some free time. But please do feel free to give us your views and of course staying within the confines of the politeness policy :).
 

Brainiachick

Active Member
Well, it didn't make sense to me. It is not like everyone is being forcefully conscripted into buying and using iPhones and the finger scanning feature. Though I admit I agree that it is only a matter of time that most phones will come with that feature, it still does not mean anyone who doesn't want to use it will be forced to use. I don't know what they'll have to say about Blackberry going out of business has to do with these, but I won't be surprised if they weave a fantasy into that as well.
 

Grieves

Senior Member
For starters, the finger scanning feature of the iPhone 5s is optional, so one need not use it if they don't want to.
Using the scanner as a password is optional. Has apple given any guarantee that, if the thumb-pass is disabled, the device never records your thumb-print?
Whilst I would be reticent to place my finger print on anything, I do not believe that iPhone 5s finger scanning feature is an Illuminati/NWO order conspiracy, but it would of course be nice to hear the various angles to these claims.
Well, stripping it of any 'occult' associations, fingerprinting is the go-to method for creating a database of identifiable individuals, traditionally individuals who have committed crimes. Apple has a pretty well documented penchant for harvesting information of any and all sorts about its customers. It's not a stretch to suspect their data-mining might extend to the thumb-print scan. Private corporation gathering it's own database of fingerprints, even if they haven't the faintest solid notion as to why they're doing it (as they claimed was the case when it was discovered the google-maps trucks were data-mining wireless connections they passed by) is a rather creepy concept.
 

EpsilonVonVehron

New Member
I've had a Dell laptop with fingerprint scanning as an optional log in for the last 5 years or so. Not sure how similar the iPhone version is but on the Dell you need to first register your fingerprint by scanning it a couple of times to confirm that the scan is correct. If Apple were to be data mining for fingerprints they would need to be sure that the person using the phone is the registered user, not sure how they could pull that off. I would suggest that to initiate a finger scan you would have to follow a specific procedure, ie place the specified finger on a specific location, not just by random finger placements during normal use.
 

Alhazred The Sane

Senior Member
So what will happen when Samsung and the rest follow suit with the finger scan feature :) ???
As has been previously pointed out, this feature is optional. As to what happens if Samsung et al follow suit, we'll have to see. So far no other manufacturer seems to be inclined. I expect they're waiting to see whether the idea is one that consumers go for before making a decision.
 

Freak

Active Member
Meh... I'm not an apple fan, but I honestly don't really see the big deal with this. Good finger prints aren't all that easy to get, and it sounds like the phone needs a pretty decent one to hack into it. Besides, someone would have to make a deliberate effort to get a print in order to do this. An average thief probably isn't going to go through all the trouble to try and get a print, and someone finding a lost phone certainly isn't going to have a good one. It's unlikely they'd even know who's to look for (assuming they even knew how to actualy do this).
 

Brainiachick

Active Member
I've had a Dell laptop with fingerprint scanning as an optional log in for the last 5 years or so. Not sure how similar the iPhone version is but on the Dell you need to first register your fingerprint by scanning it a couple of times to confirm that the scan is correct. If Apple were to be data mining for fingerprints they would need to be sure that the person using the phone is the registered user, not sure how they could pull that off. I would suggest that to initiate a finger scan you would have to follow a specific procedure, ie place the specified finger on a specific location, not just by random finger placements during normal use.
That's correct. You have to place the finger on the depressed button at the centre bottom of the screen about 3 times just to register the print. After that, it would recognise and respond to only that fingerprint. You Dell sounds pretty much similar to that. So Dell could sue Apple for copying them :)?
 

Soulfly

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Banned
The government already has most American's (at least those 16 and older) thumbprints. They obtained it when they get their drivers license. Or a passport.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member
how long do you think before they get hold of all these fingerprints under the excuse of seeking out terrorists? I know people will say what have you got to hide? but its the idea of some 'body' having your civil liberty stripped from you suddenly and you frankly cant say or do shit about it because they have and know everything about you.
What would them having your fingerprints allow them to do though? They have your face (photo id) and that's pretty unique to you, how do fingerprints change things fundamentally?
 

Naz

New Member
Do you have any evidence to lead you to believe the U.K. government is in cahoots with Apple to obtain everyone's fingerprints? Or are you just going down a slippery slope?

This site isn't really the place to post to post opinions. Please review the posting guidelines.
I actually dont have evidence to support this and i didnt know im not allowed to post my opinion or theory on here. To be honest its a conspiracy theory! -_-
 

Naz

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What would them having your fingerprints allow them to do though? They have your face (photo id) and that's pretty unique to you, how do fingerprints change things fundamentally?
you can change your appearance i suppose, ive never heard of anyone changing there fingerprint :mad:
 

Hevach

Senior Member
I'm guessing that the fingerprint scanner isn't going to be as big a selling point as Apple anticipated - it's already been hacked, just two days after it appeared:
http://www.spiegel.de/international...mises-iphone-fingerprint-sensor-a-923910.html
I'm actually surprised it took two days, considering they used the same basic method that's been shown to bypass the finger print scanners on some high end HP and Toshiba laptops (of course, for those you don't need to go James Bond to get in, use a password bypass boot disk to blank the password and the scanner won't even challenge you anymore).
 

Soulfly

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Banned
I actually dont have evidence to support this and i didnt know im not allowed to post my opinion or theory on here. To be honest its a conspiracy theory! -_-
You are allowed to post theory but only with supporting evidence. Opinions are an after thought on what you think about the supporting evidence.

The OP doesn't really meet the posting guidelines if you ask me.
 

Pete Tar

Senior Member
But still - what does them having a record of a unique identifier really mean for your personal freedom - how would it compromise your liberty in real terms?
(well apart from your fingerprints being replicated and planted at crimes scenes by malicious people or something weird like that)
What about dental records, they're unique. Would it matter if they were collected in a huge database? What would 'they' do with them?
 

Mick West

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Staff member
You are allowed to post theory but only with supporting evidence. Opinions are an after thought on what you think about the supporting evidence.

The OP doesn't really meet the posting guidelines if you ask me.
Should have caught that last year :)
 

Svartbjørn

Senior Member
Here's a few things to know about biometrics that will probably allay people's fears about what Apple and Samsung (yes Samsung has the option now) of doing with the fingerprint scans.

High end biometric scanners store an actual scan of the print or prints in a database, which require a fairly large hard drive:

I dont normally like using wikipedia but the information above is accurate, all in one place, and not an advertisement for a specific company.

Now... systems like smartphones dont have the fidelity, hard drive capacity, or technology to actually store your fingerprint. Instead they use a system that converts specific patterns to either an algorithm or binary code which then can not be used to reproduce a finger print in any way shape or form. Similar to this:

obtained from this website which sells fingerprint time clocks.

Im a bit of a technophile, so I apologize if my geek is showing. The point is, while we may eventually get to a point where the technology exists that we can have super cool fingerprint scanners on phones and car doors like you see in 007 movies, or your favorite spy thriller movie/novel, we're not there yet... and probably WONT be for another decade or two at the least. Until we do reach that point, people that are worried about the NWO/Illuminati/"them"/"they"/ and the other evil super villains of the world can rest easy for a while longer.

These gadgets are just that.. gadgets.. smoke and mirrors to make people feel "safer" about their phones not being stolen and used by people who'll just run their phone bill up to a gajillion dollars calling their long lost uncle in Uganda who has information about a cousin who died recently and passed on their fortune to them, for a mere tidy sum of 5000 dollars to process the inheritance fee.
 

Miles Bloomer

New Member
iPhone 5s finger scanning feature has sent a lot of conspiracy theorists agog with conspiracy theories. Chief of which is how this is yet another step towards the new world order. A website even went the extra mile of stating that iPhone can be spelt eye-Phone; and that Siri in reverse is Iris...and I thought so what? Until they desperately began to compare this 'Iris' to 'Isis' payment system and concluded that the Isis payment system is of course the Illuminati chip mark of the beast payment system.

Where is the truth in all of this or am I missing something?

For starters, the finger scanning feature of the iPhone 5s is optional, so one need not use it if they don't want to. This was designed mainly for handset safety so that thieves gain absolutely no benefit from stealing your iPhone! I lost my phone yesterday evening on my way from a very stressful court hearing in London at the famously busy London Waterloo Station - the Police officers that drove me to court were kind enough to take me to the station even though they weren't obliged to and I knew that my only chance of getting that phone back would be if I had dropped it in the patrol car. Anything short of that, I knew that phone was gone for good as it is iPhone 5 but not the iPhone 5s. Luckily, a good Samaritan had found it and returned it to the ticketing desk! I had absolutely no security on that phone and the finder could have kept it with absolutely no consequences, so was I relieved? Whilst I would be reticent to place my finger print on anything, I do not believe that iPhone 5s finger scanning feature is an Illuminati/NWO order conspiracy, but it would of course be nice to hear the various angles to these claims.
It is indeed optional. Biometric systems are really not all that uncommon in this day and age, but conspiracy theorists will make a fuss about anything.

I'm not entirely certain as to how the ''Illuminati'' (a long-defunct scientific society that was founded by in Adam Weishaupt, with the aid of Baron von Knigge 1776) correlates to a ''new world order'', but I do not find an optional security device to be sinister, regardless of what conspiracy theorists are tying it with. The iPhone's screen operates on tactile sensor technology - your fingers aren't exactly a flat surface, so the sensitive tactile sensor picks up the crevices in your finger(s), resolving your fingerprint in the same way that the ink-on-paper method does. It cannot ''record'' your DNA, for example.

Are they also demonizing biometric-enabled printing systems?
http://www.ait.co.uk/print-manageme...elease-pull-printing/biometric-secure-release
 
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Efftup

Senior Member
although apparently in Norwegian it means "beautiful woman who leads you to victory".
a former CEO came up with some reasons behind the name but I suspect they are all bullshit as the softwware ORIGINATED from the Stanford Research Institute or SRI. I suspect that Siri is the nearest easy to pronounce word to SRI.

At least we know why Microsoft's is called Cortana
 

NoParty

Senior Member
although apparently in Norwegian it means "beautiful woman who leads you to victory".
Although apparently in Cupertino it means "beautiful woman who leads you to Harlem"
when you ask for the closest "Harley" dealer...
 
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